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Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by Nobody: 7:20pm On Jan 01, 2017 |
Revelation1: They are all byproducts of the devil - EOD |
Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by Drdreyy: 7:23pm On Jan 01, 2017 |
chieveboy: Some questions on Those "discarnate entities" hanging around, looking for bodies to use. 1. It means those entities still posses some form of intelligence and consciousness. How is that possible? Biologically we know the brain is the center of consciousness and intelligence so how does those two persist after death? [b]2.how do they get bodies?[/b]Every adult knows how bodies(individuals) emerge /introduced into this world and each body/individual has a unique identity. So how do they get bodies? It makes perfect sense to go with what the Bible says in Ecc 9:5 "for the dead know not anything" this is also consistent with modern science |
Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by MYJIST(m): 7:24pm On Jan 01, 2017 |
Revelation1:Well, op I understand your question... we Christians often times have questions after going through experiences... and I must make one thing clear though... your asking a question should not be based on unbelief... rather it should be based on hunger... for God and the things of the kingdom.. wanting to know how this things work... well...that's the reason why people become atheists... so you must know the basis to which you're asking this questions... these questions are part of the things that makes our journey fascinating... and when we get answers... we still go ahead... stuff! stuff!! stuffs!!!... God Himself is a mystery... the day we understand everything about his existence.. He ceases to be God... A lot has been said about your question.. wouldn't like to say much.. but... 1. demons are fallen angels... but someone leads them ... the devil. Lucifer.. so they are now like servants.. who carryout the agenda of their master or head.. 2. Yes, God knew man would fall.. but still created us.. if you say God should have not left that tree of knowledge there, then what's the essence of Him creating us a free moral beings.. How can you be sure that... what you have is the one you like most ... when the one you have is the only one in existence.... points is.. God would have just made us to obey command if that was the case ... 3. the absence of the Holy spirit.. connotes the presence of demons... man is a spirit being... lemme stop here sha 1 Like |
Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by Nobody: 7:30pm On Jan 01, 2017 |
byrron: the only by-products are the nephilim, demons are simple fallen angels. witches practice forbidden occult crafts taught by the Sons of God.. no need mixing them up ina stream of semantics.. read the jewish text on this theme. It is different if you are Muslim, Buddhist or Hindu |
Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by dabrightt: 7:32pm On Jan 01, 2017 |
wtfCode:You aer a small boy still on milk ask your parent they will tell you he did |
Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by dabrightt: 7:32pm On Jan 01, 2017 |
wtfCode:You aer a small boy still on milk ask your parent they will tell you he do |
Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by hardballripplez: 7:34pm On Jan 01, 2017 |
MYJIST:You have to seek God and you'll find him. God has given us a brain for a reason. You don't just follow a path or religion because you were born into it. Being born into a particular religion does not mean that is the right path. Get a copy of the Quran. Read and ask questions from Islamic scholars and muslim friends and In Sha Allah Allah will guide you. I sincerely invite you to Islam. Allah says in the Quran:Surah Fussilat verse 33. "And who is better in speech than one who invites to Allah and does righteousness and says, "Indeed, I am of the Muslims". in surah Nahl verse 125. Allah says; "Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided." In sirah Nisa verse 82, Allah says: "Then do they not reflect upon the Qur'an? If it had been from [any] other than Allah , they would have found within it much contradiction. " May Allah guide you, and ask the question. why do we have brains? is it to follow blindly ? or to discern truth from falsehood for ourselves . ISLAM!!! 2 Likes
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Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by samijay8(m): 7:35pm On Jan 01, 2017 |
Demons? They are troubling God creation. Can't same God kill them so they won't trouble his creation again or no power fighting their type |
Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by chimaobinelson(m): 7:36pm On Jan 01, 2017 |
Revelation1:if those fallen defeated angels werent demons,then what do u think of them |
Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by Nobody: 7:36pm On Jan 01, 2017 |
LaEvilIMiss: OK! I'm very sorry sir, seems you already have a premeditated answer to the question you asked and any contrary opinion to yours would be deemed inadequate which will invariably become a cyclical movement with no destination. I'm holding on to my initial assertion's and I am entitled to it. HNY |
Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by ibolomo(m): 7:39pm On Jan 01, 2017 |
leviathan is NOT a demon, just like the serpent is not a demon, but used to represent the devil in both passages because of their vicious nature. you will do well to read the book of Job to further reveal the leviathan for what it was- a really dangerous animal cc; Revelation1 |
Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by shumuel(m): 7:41pm On Jan 01, 2017 |
Revelation1: God didn't create them for evil nor to do evil, they only backslided by being corrupted by the Devil, see, SIN started with Lucifer; the highest of all the Angels, when he was too full of himself; as we had heard/read, then he went about corrupting any and everyone/thing that can be weak enough to fall to him,, now if the highest creation of God could believe he is wiser than his creator, why can't a Eve, why can't a beast of the field and sea, why can't a tree, why can't you and i, everything and everyone can fall to sin, God knew this which is the reason why he gave us the oppotunity to ask for forgiveness, abusing this oppotunity is what bring about punishment. I hope you get it now ? Happy New year to you |
Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by ibolomo(m): 7:55pm On Jan 01, 2017 |
hardballripplez:I am a Christian, and i do read the Quran, i bought a copy several years ago, and apart from the fact that it is boring as hell, i found it uninspiring. if you have no reasonable contribution to give to the topic, buzz off and open your own thread on the need for Islam ir whatever you wish |
Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by Bosun13: 7:57pm On Jan 01, 2017 |
Different thinking....different ideas.... u hmm!! I'm sitting down here reading....... But only one problem with u people is that...u don't do research but following ur religion blindly. For advice try and read the correct line of three Abrahamic religion...which categorically (original holy book of jew,christian and muslims). Maybe u people can be able to do additional and subtraction to get the common answer that giving you problem. But majority of you are fanatics and extremist. Christian among u will never pick up English quran and read while Muslims among u will never read bible at all because of ur blindness....if u do more research abt Jews ; that doesn't stop u going church or mosque,but instead u argue blindly |
Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by WHOcarex: 7:57pm On Jan 01, 2017 |
Anas09:Guy, one bottle of anointing oil for you. Your head dey there. Thumb up. |
Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by MYJIST(m): 7:58pm On Jan 01, 2017 |
hardballripplez:hmm... well.. if you think that i'm a Christian now because I was born in a Christian family... that's false... been born into a Christian family only made me closer to the truth... so when I was ready... I searched but didn't have to look far to find it... It's called Divine Orchestration.. and if you've been thinking that going to Church makes one a Christian... well.. lemme tell you... that until you believe that God exists first of all.... you are notable to please Him... so for with the heart man believes unto... righteousness and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.. see.. ROMANS 10vs 10... for you to have believed there's a place for rational thinking... you must have come to terms with what you've been hearing.... you become a Christian when open your mouth based on conviction to accept God... about knowing... I don't just know... I have the experiences to back up that God is real... through the manifestations of the Holy Spirit. present in any fellowship of the body of Christ.... this is practicality... not just studying verses and making analysis... if I tell you that water wets paper and you are doubtful.. then the easiest way is to carry out a practical test for you to see.. so you forget your human analysis when you see the actual result.... What I was saying is... Experience... not analysis or religion.... the Holy Spirit brings us... into an experience... |
Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by chieveboy(m): 7:58pm On Jan 01, 2017 |
[quote author=Drdreyy post=52447091] Some questions on Those "discarnate entities" hanging around, looking for bodies to use. 1. It means those entities still posses some form of intelligence and consciousness. How is that possible? Biologically we know the brain is the center of consciousness and intelligence so how does those two persist after death? [\quote]. Hm! Laboratory apparatus where invented to measure...they are only good to very limited extent... Consciousness resides neither in the brain nor even on the Mind, It's reside in Soul! When we talk of Soul, science and reality or fact have to part ways (but of course). In your body, three things are involved: Soul, Mind and Body. In the physical body, Soul expresses consciousness in this order: Soul>Mind (mental state)>Causal body>Emotional body>physical body. Note this: The body and the brain is actually a replica of the Emotional body (Aka Astral body) and it Principles. When one dies, he retains all his knowledge and abilities...it's the same thing that plays when you drop from a flight or a swing and you still get the feeling of swinging! That's almost how dead people feel, they retain the experience and think they could touch a living person and tell them they are fine...nothing happens--no physical body! Infact they tend to get smarter than before cos ignorance is mostly brought about by the physical body--the limited 5 senses
You can only be sure of "making perfect sense" when science finally makes out what Soul is else, the mystics have it for now. Science actually got it, it states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed, but can only be changed from one state to another...that's the kaboom! That's Soul! That's consciousness! It cant be extinguished; it can only change in state, from withing the physical body and without it, it continues on and on... |
Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by hardballripplez: 7:59pm On Jan 01, 2017 |
ibolomo:So many have come in contact with the Quran and they had to accept Islam and follow the truth. The human personality is very strange. Because you didn't follow the truth now doesn't mean that you won't follow it later( If truly you are reading the Quran). The bible is composed of historical and scientific fallacies and those who follow the Christian faith do so blindly. May Allah give you guidance In sha Allah. 2 Likes
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Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by BlueScholar(m): 8:03pm On Jan 01, 2017 |
Revelation1: God created men and Jinn to inhabit the earth, just like there are good/bad men, so are good/bad jinn (demons if you may). Good demons don't manifest themselves to use, bad demons do |
Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by dimade1: 8:07pm On Jan 01, 2017 |
hardballripplez:The Quran has said it all,they can't find answer to it from the bible.May Allah lead us to the straight path 3 Likes |
Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by ibolomo(m): 8:12pm On Jan 01, 2017 |
hardballripplez:funny what you said about the Bible containing fallacies and people following blindly. That is correct of all religions, including the Quran, and it seems you are also following blindly, and believe me when i say i can prove it. I just don't have time to start typing. i hope you come to the realization one day that no religion is perfect in it's ideologies, Holy Books and beliefs, you just have to choose one and stand by it |
Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by mecussey(m): 8:18pm On Jan 01, 2017 |
chidiebere2020: Well, I was writing English...and in English to create is "to make or to cause something to exist". God did not create apple juice, he created apple and as small gods wey we be, we created apple juice. Both are forms of creation I think... |
Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by mecussey(m): 8:27pm On Jan 01, 2017 |
realmindz: For a body to be successfully created, energy must be installed and the energy installed is enough to do otherwise it's purpose. God created everything perfectly, but as you can see almost all that he created is been modified everyday. Sometimes, I believe we are angels undergoing screening on earth. The bad aids will be screened out while the good ones will go back to work for God. The cars we drive are perfect for movement otherwise, they wont move an inch. |
Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by GerogeI(m): 8:28pm On Jan 01, 2017 |
Revelation1: Answer: Biblically God had been doing a hefty amount of creation before he thought about making man. For every human, there are billions of Angels. No one has the full gamut of none human beings- Angels, Archangels, Cherubims, Demons, etc. However, if you are talking of the most elemental spirits- often called demons, they were born on earth. The story is in the Book of Enoch, not cannonomical to a lot of Christian churches except the Catholics. After making earth and man, God sent a band of solders to keep watch over the earth. They were called the watchers, the story perspective speaks as if they were looking down on the earth, which is why many postulations exist about the dwellers of the moon. They are the sons of God who saw the daughters of men and became intoxicated They made a vow to disobey God together and not betray each other. Left there duties and came down to the earth, taking human females as wives, They gave birth to human, spirit hybrids, whom the bible called men of renown. The Greek likes of Hercules, cyclops, Perseus, etc comes to mind although not explicitly mentioned. These watchers had their offsprings competing against each other, doing great and abominable things. The watchers revealed many secrets of heaven to their children to give them edge in their self consuming competitions- namely the art of Iron works, Herbs, divination. Basically the truth is that the secrets of heaven are same of those we use. Except heaven is so advanced, that when the Arch angel Micheal stood before Elohim to report the leak or corruption on earth, he told him not to pay any mind to the leaked secrets, since they will always be insignificant. Further, humans are the children of Elohim, made in his image, with rank and authority a little above that of the angels. Rooting them out of their abode was a crime, but the children of the watchers had taken over, and were even eating men for meat. So Arch Angel Micheal went to the presence of God to get authorisation to do some thing about the watchers. Elohim commanded him to lock up the watchers on earth for the duration of the earth- bottomless pit of revelation comes to mind He also commanded him to turn the children of the watchers against each other, so the will kill each other He commanded him to turn their spirits into evil spirits to torment men, as a purnishment for our role. That is the source of the elemental spirits, they originated on earth, and will end on earth. These events are reported as the story of Noah in Genesis Notice the striking resemblance between the watchers and gods of the Greek mythology. Sumerian Mythology which is similar actually mentions a certain location in the ancient world where these so called gods ascended and descended from, a spot that men where never allowed in. Proponents today think that was a point from which the watchers transported from earth to their moon base. This story is also the origin of the so called conspiracy theories on the actual purposes of US missions on the moon. In summary, evil spirits are the corrupted spirits of dead children of so called gods who can down to the earth to take human wives in the days of Noah. However, the distinction between the crimes of Lucifer and those of the watchers is not quite clear. It seems they Lucifer was different from the watchers. 2 Likes |
Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by MYJIST(m): 8:35pm On Jan 01, 2017 |
hardballripplez:Hehe... I haven't even read the quran... but from your previous posts.... I don't think I'm interested... I mean... how can you tell me Good created evil... for a reason... and good never understood that evil represents... deceit, and that, God created demons to test humans... the fact is you Muslims read the Bible... to find faults... and you'll never see the Truth in it... When the people who crucified Jesus where busy carrying out their agenda... they didn't know they were carrying out Gods' plan... Although they awaited the Messiah.. they knew the prophesies... but then .. they didn't understand... It was hidden, because they've clothed themselves in pride... They thought... if not us then... nobody else... well I'm not looking for a god to serve.. I've found God... searching would only mean... something else... I've passed that stage |
Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by analice107: 8:42pm On Jan 01, 2017 |
Sacluxpaint:You are free to refute. |
Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by analice107: 8:45pm On Jan 01, 2017 |
kingsmith4:No Muslim. The Holy Book of Muslims and their God is not the same with the God of the Christians with their Holy Book. I understand everything in my Holy Book because i have the Holy Spirit. do not mix the two, they are like Oil and water. |
Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by duni04(m): 8:48pm On Jan 01, 2017 |
If you guys really want to understand the real intentions and imagination of the original Hebrew writers of the Bible, you'll have to examine the minds and contextual terms of the English and Latin translators of the original Hebrew text of the scrolls we have cone to know as the bible. You can never understand the contextual meanings unless you sample the original Hebrew text. What I mean by this is that the Greek, Latin and subsequently the English translators of the Bible used happenings, objects and references particular to the periods they did the translation to decipher what the original Hebrew writers were trying to depict. Leviathan for instance would never have been used by the original Hebrew writers of the bible. The King James version of the bible speaks of Leviathan because it is something the English translators of the bible and their English audience would have better understood. What the original Hebrew writers wrote instead if Leviathan, only God knows. |
Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by Ghost447(m): 9:16pm On Jan 01, 2017 |
Revelation1:What do you want to hear exactly? |
Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by Lanjonath(m): 9:19pm On Jan 01, 2017 |
hardballripplez: oga move with you Islam to an Islamic thread, no one is interested in your god that is causing chaos all over and rewards killing in his name with virgins. no thanks, keep it to yourself. Bible is composed if fallacies?? You're aa clueless as your drunk Islamic scholars because even your famed prophet Mohammed never dared blaspheme against Christianity. And he accepted Jesus was God's son but you all are just confused and ignorant, no longer killing christians and innocent people over the world. You're now killing each other in God's name. What kind if God will condone such wickedness Sort your confused religion and religious beliefs before talking crap about God's true followers and his only Holy book. |
Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by oxmale: 9:22pm On Jan 01, 2017 |
shumuel:He was not the highest creation then. |
Re: How Did Demons Come Into Existence? Who Created Them? by Ghost447(m): 9:24pm On Jan 01, 2017 |
Out of all the good progressive topics in the world, you people choose to be discussing Satan & demons in this very first day of the year?. Western people are inventing New technologies everyday and they're thinking of how to improve our very existence daily. I sorry for Africa indeed! |
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