jydon17:

well its all about the bride price, its a bit on the high side for young  male lovers and she might av to wait a little while if she truly loves the guy,to work and  save enough,sometimes, some abscon, leaving the gal to age , to be classified as over ripe for marriage

*jona:

quote from an igbo girl.


http://www.naijarules.com/vb/news-current-affairs-politics/33722-tradition-same-gender-marriage-igboland.html

Such exists in my maternal village and I have seen it in my extended family!!

The woman-wives gave birth to 4 children, all for different men!! And I am like, dam!!! isnt this a 'legal' way of promoting promiscuity?!! : cos she has license to bang around, all in the quest to have children for her Woman-husband!

Sure, there is hardly any form of sexual relationship between the woman- husband/wife, but, who is to say? Lesbianism definitely did not start in this generation! Must have been there pre-Christian era, but, folks just knew to hide it or something like that! Afterall, in bible times, Sodom and gomorrah showed evidence of homosexuality!

my rusty 2-pence!

*jona:

http://www.tribune.com.ng/19062009/opinion.html

*jona:

it was a common practice for an igbo woman to marry her late husband's brother if she had children so the children can retain the family identity and inheritance, so igbo women date


[b]Tradition of same gender marriage in Igboland

By Leo Igwe

One of the contentious issues in the debate over homosexuality and same sex marriage is whether a marriage between persons of the same gender is totally alien to African culture and tradition. Those opposing same sex marriage have continued to argue that same gender union is foreign to Africa. On the contrary, I have tried to draw their attention to the fact that there is a strain of the same gender marriage in African tradition particularly in Igboland.

And that we should not rush to deny this, or pretend it does not exist or just sweep it under the carpet in the quest to establish that same gender marriage is alien to the African continent, and must be banned.

I hail from Mbaise in Imo State in Southern Nigeria. Traditionally, in my community, marriage is taken to be a union between a man and a woman as the case may be. But there are circumstances where a marriage between a woman and a woman is permissible.[/b]In a situation where a woman has no son or no child, if the husband dies, it is culturally allowed for her to marry a wife. And in this case, she becomes the husband. Like in every case of marriage, this woman goes out, inquires and gets a wife of her choice. She pays her dowry and fulfills other traditional rites as it is done when a man is marrying a woman.

After that, the woman brings her “wife” home and they start living together as “husband” and “wife”. Nobody frowns at it. To have children -both the “woman- husband” and “woman- wife”- will agree to allow a man from the same village or neighbouring town to sleep with the wife.

And the children born by the wife bears the family name of the woman- husband, not that of the man responsible for the pregnancy. I want to add here that the man who sleeps with such wife in most cases are married men. And normally it is regarded as immoral, in fact it is a taboo for a married man to sleep with or “father” children from another woman. But in this case an act normally taken to be immoral is allowed.

This is a situation where people are permitted to break taboos and deviate from traditions. This marriage practice pre- dates Christianity and the so- called western culture which most people today blame for all the moral and cultural wrongs in Africa. The same gender marriage is still practised till date. In other words, there are some families today in Igboland where women are both husbands and wives, fathers and mothers.

There are some homes where woman- husbands are living happily with their woman- wives. Though there are not many of such families or marriages. Such unconventional marriages and families are in the minority. The fact is that they exist. The fact is that they are part of the local tradition and culture. They are not imports from the West. And this has in no way undermined social cohesion, public order and morality or family values.

Some people have tried to argue that this is not really a case of gender marriage because a man comes in to impregnate the wife. But, traditionally, it is the case and it is known as such. It is a case where a woman marries a woman.

The man who impregnates the wife does not come into the picture at all. He has no family responsibility. His duty is only to supply sperm. The family is responsible for the woman- husband and wife.Some say that same gender unions destroy family values and undermine the upbringing of children.

It should be emphasised that children in this case are brought up in an environment where both “parents” are females. And they grow up to be normal children. Some say because child bearing is involved, then it is not same gender marriage. But my response is this: whether for procreation or for pleasure, it is same gender marriage. And it is the couples, not the state that decides whether to marry for procreation and or for pleasure or for any other purpose they deem fit.

Unfortunately, most Nigerians think that same gender marriage is antithetical to procreation. It is not. In fact same gender unions as in this case enrich family values. There have been instances where a partner in a same gender relationship wants children, and goes ahead to have them.

Because of the secrecy, privacy and hypocrisy that go with sexual expression, no one can really say, if these female partners have or do not have sex with each other. But like all couples they live together and run their families. But today, things are changing.

Individuals are becoming more open, more assertive and expressive with their sexual and marriage choices, desires, orientations and identities. The sexual and marriage dynamics are changing rapidly. And Africans must make the necessary social, cultural and legal adjustments in response to- and to accommodate- these changes.


Igwe is the executive secretary of the Nigerian Humanist Movement.

News

*jona:

Mekana:

Such exists in my maternal village and I have seen it in my extended family!!

"The woman-wives gave birth to 4 children, all for different men!! And I am like, dam!!! isnt this a 'legal' way of promoting promiscuity?!! : cos she has license to bang around, all in the quest to have children for her Woman-husband!"
Sure, there is hardly any form of sexual relationship between the woman- husband/wife, but, who is to say? Lesbianism definitely did not start in this generation! Must have been there pre-Christian era, but, folks just knew to hide it or something like that! Afterall, in bible times, Sodom and gomorrah showed evidence of homosexuality!"


In otherwords, are u gay? It seems u are fostering your gayist idea here. Are u looking for gay partners? damn u, u need emancipation from psychosis of sodomy. Fool! u refuse to comprehend that the idea is not necessarily an endorsement of lesbianism, rather, patriarchy, lineage continuity. Read, get education, live above sentimentalism and sensationalism. Yorubatic coward.

sjeezy8:

^^^^ lol ive come to realise that makena is a mad WOMAN

Mekana:

u are arguing like a loser, disprove my points or go take a fresh air. An average Yoruba takes time to indoctrinate his kids on how to hate igbos, not how to be successful in life. The paradigm of anti-igbo sentiment is set and advanced by the west. Other ethnic groups don't have any biz with hating igbos, except few like Jona, who are more or less influenced by the evil philosophy of afenifere.

Epi:

^^ yup. and the amaka is ready and waiting for another round. Let's give her a round of ammunition applause. Looks like she vows to fight the anti-igbo till her last breath. hahahahaha,

one damn funny thread . Looking forward to read more