. . . oya No2Atheism, the floor is all yours

98.23 percent of all statistics are made up on the spot

LOL . . . I get it! 

^^^^ good

JeSoul:

. . . oya No2Atheism, the floor is all yours

SeanT21:

I swear to God, I thought about him when I posted this topic.

Barbed wire should be erected all over this thread the lunatics like No2Atheism would soon be here that should lock them in.

Edit:

I must confess that I am too lazy to try to quote the relevant bible passages. . .hence i would try to check my previous posts instead so as to do a copy and paste job, cus i have answered some of this questions before and hence i don't want to repeat myself.

Oh you mean too tired to twist the relevant bible passages?

Nevertheless, my answer to the topic is this:

- Are Black Jews a myth: No

- How do I know its not a myth: Cus the bible shows us so through many different verses.

- Is the Bible a final authority for me: YES

- Is there Archeaological evidence showing that Ancient Semites (notice I did not say Jews) had black skin: Yes

- So what about the current white people calling themselves Jews: Most of them are not even descendants of Ancient Isrealites talkless of being Jews.

- Who is a Jew: Technically a Jew is a descendant of Judah, hence being an Isrealite does not mean the person is a Jew.

- So what is the definition of the term for the purpose of this question and answer process: A Jew is going to be used as  a colloqial term that refers to all descendants of ancient isrealites.

- Are there Black Jews today: YES . . . the Lemba of South Africa.


- If a person practises Hinduism, does that make the person an Hindu: Technically NO

- So can someone be a Jew by religion and not by virtue of blood progeny: Technically NO

- Why is this issue of Jews or no Jews so significant: Cus even the Bible prophecied in the book of revelations, that some people would lie about being Jews.

- Where there some fake Jews even during the time of the Messiah: YES

- Those fake jews identified themselves when they said: They had never been in captivity to anyone. . . yet the Original jews had been in captivity in the land of Egypt.

- Does it mean the issue of Fake and Original Jews actually not even a recent problem: YES

- Can some of the Jews have mixed with Europeans ala during the times of Romans and all that: YES

- Does that mean that some Jews can look European and actually have a legitimate claim to being called a Jew: YES

- Does that mean all of the Jews are Europeans: NO

- Does that mean some of the European Jews might actually have real jewish ancestory: YES its possible. . . considering that even in biblical times, the bible shows that Jews were being found in ancient greco-roman cities.

- So why then bother about saying European Jews are not Jew: This is because a significant number of the European Jews are actually the people known as the Askhenazi.

- So what: There is significant historical reason to doubt the so called Jewishness of the Ashkenazi. . .

- So who are you refering to when you are saying Black Jews: I am refering predominantly to Ancient Isrealites.

- Can you say with 100% certainty who the Black Jews are today: No

- Why do I care so much about the issue of black jews: Cus I like to tell the truth at all times, even at times when its not to my advantage.

- When we say Jews are black, does that mean all jews must be black: NO

- What do you mean: I mean there are bible accounts that Jews were carried off into slavery during wars etc hence its very possible that some of them have mixed in with lighter people that caused them to lose their skin colour over time.

- Does having black Jews have anything to do with issue of salvation: NO

- Salvation has nothing to do with Skin colour: YES

- So why am I bothering then: Cus the issue of skin colour is being used to brainwash and control Africans. . . so much so that even a Black Atheist who claims not to believe in the bible still insinuates (as far as i can remember) that The Messiah is a "Tanned White person" . . . yes its that bad  

- So why bother: Cus a bible beleiver is expected to tell the truth at all times, even if the truth is not popular.

- So are you trying to say The Messiah is not a Blonde Blue eyed European: No He is not.

- What do you think the Ancient Isrealites look like: were they Wesley Snipe kinda black i.e. very dark skinned or were they Eucharia Anunobi kinda "black" i.e. very light skinned.


- Were the Ancient Isrealites as black as the typical present day Western African type of black person: No [/i]I don't think so.

- Were the Ancient Isrealites as black as the typical present day Ethiopian type of black person: [i]Yes I think so.

- Please check the following images to see a variation in the blackness of the Semite (of whom Ancient Isrealites were one) for you to see that there is even archealogical evidence of these so called blackness.

Another interesting group of people who are claimed to have jewish roots are the Falasha Jews of Ethiopia (whether this claim is true or not I do not know)

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I would give you references to my own previous posts when i have the time to check my own post cus right now i am too lazy to even check  


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According to my understanding, the following are the explanation of the pictures:

Picture 1

-  Shows two pictures depicting Semites going or coming somwhere (If they were actually coming into egypt or if they were actually going out or if they were merely paying homage is what i do not know. Also i do not know the time era depicted by the image ). The picture also shows people that look like egyptians.

- Compare the skin tone of the Egyptians and Semites. . .

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Picture 2

- This pictures is a self explanatory reported  intepretation of images that related to the Egyptians with respect to other races. 
- Notice that the picture is refering to the time of Rameses III

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Picture 3

- I understand that the first part of the picture shows Semites on the far left, Egyptians in the middle and some other race of people on the far right.
- I understand that the second part of the picture shows a particular Egyptian god on the far left, a particular group of other Africans, Egyptians next and Semites on the far right.
- Also notice the skin tone of the Egyptians compared to the Semites and compared to the particular group of africans.

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- Does that mean the Ancient Isrealites were Africans: No (going by the genealogy of Shem and Ham)

- One thing is that the skin tones of the Africans and Egyptians and Semites is enough to consider the Ancient Semites as having the same kind of "Black Skin possessed by present day Ethiopians."

this is getting interesting . . . , . . . ,

- Are there Black Jews today: YES . . . the Lemba of South Africa.

lol they don come o.

bawomolo:

lol they don come o.

they don come as in its a lie

or

they don come as in you are hearing that for the first time. . .


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Lembas of South Africa are the best present day examples . . . from my understanding, the Lembas claim (and their claim have been investigated using genetics) that they descended  from the Ancient Isrealites. Their claim has been confirmed using genetics.

I would have suggested the Falasha Jews of Ethiopia also but I do not really know much about them . . . hence i am not sure wherether the Falasha are jews by religion or whether they are jews by in terms of being blood descendants. Until i clarify that about the Falashas, i can't really say much about them.

Instead of believing or not believing me . . . i would advise that you carry out your own digging so as to find out about both the Lembas and the Falashas. . .


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So once again @bawomolo, I ask what do you mean by they don come :


do you mean they don come as in I am lying

or

do you mean they don come as in you are hearing that for the first time. . .


I would appreciate that you clarify.

@no2atheism
ur pictures are really self explanatory,thankx

No2Atheism:



do you mean they don come as in I am lying

or

do you mean they don come as in you are hearing that for the first time. . .


I would appreciate that you clarify.

It just amazes me when folks try to paint things as either black or white.  Using modern day racial classifications to rewrite history is just strange to me.   You can go on with your Afrocentric propaganda though. why can't jews just be jews and egyptians be egyptians?

Genetic report ko, HIV test ni.

Where are the so-called scientific studies, eh?

- Ancient jews were NEVER negro.

- Ancient jews would be arbitrarily classified today [i.e whether white, black or yellow]as White.

- Were they as White as europeans : NO, they probably were much darker than the Europeans due to the desert heat of their environment i.e a tanned look. Their skin colour would be close to the Arabs.


- Why would any Black person claim to be a jew : because they are crazy and want to be known as blessed children of god.

- How come present day jews are as white as europeans ; simple, while they were exiled and in captivity for thousands of years they simply inter married with europeans leading to their present day phenotype.

- Could there be black jews today? ; Its possible, during the exile some jewish communities might have migrated to black dominated lands like ethiopia and inter married over time to produce black jews.

-Would the black jews of today be considered jews ; yes

- Is there ANY verified archeological evidence to prove ancient jews were NEGRO? ; NO, not even after decades since the scientific field of biblical archeology began.

- Does the Bible say anything about ancient jews being NEGRO ; NO/[b], proponents of this lie twist symbolisms, metaphors and the poetic language of the bible to mirror their ridiculous theories.

- Is the bible a final authourity for me : err. . . .

-Could the Fashola jews and lemba jews be descendants of ancient jews ; probably, migration and inter marriage with black people might make that possible.

- Was jesus a Negro : [b]NO!

- Is the notion of ancient jews being black a myth ; YES

- Is No2Atheism a liar - Yes

Tudór:

Genetic report ko, HIV test ni.

Where are the so-called scientific studies, eh?

- Ancient jews were NEVER negro.

- Ancient jews would be arbitrarily classified today [i.e whether white, black or yellow]as White.

- Were they as White as europeans : NO, they probably were much darker than the Europeans due to the desert heat of their environment i.e a tanned look. Their skin colour would be close to the Arabs.


- Why would any Black person claim to be a jew : because they are crazy and want to be known as blessed children of god.

- How come present day jews are as white as europeans ; simple, while they were exiled and in captivity for thousands of years they simply inter married with europeans leading to their present day phenotype.

- Could there be black jews today? ; Its possible, during the exile some jewish communities might have migrated to black dominated lands like ethiopia and inter married over time to produce black jews.

-Would the black jews of today be considered jews ; yes

- Is there ANY verified archeological evidence to prove ancient jews were NEGRO? ; NO, not even after decades since the scientific field of biblical archeology began.

- Does the Bible say anything about ancient jews being NEGRO ; NO/[b], proponents of this lie twist symbolisms, metaphors and the poetic language of the bible to mirror their ridiculous theories.

- Is the bible a final authourity for me : err. . . .

-Could the Fashola jews and lemba jews be descendants of ancient jews ; probably, migration and inter marriage with black people might make that possible.

- Was jesus a Negro : [b]NO!

- Is the notion of ancient jews being black a myth ; YES

- Is No2Atheism a liar - Yes

- We have already had this discussion before hence I do not intend to waste my time and energy on you cus it seems you seek attention . . .

- my response on this thread is for others that wish to know "what I have also learnt" . . . most especially SeanT21 and Jesoul . . .

- So Tudor please note that I would ignore you on this thread . . . not because I do not want to respond, but because it would not be an efficient use of my time.

^^
Shut up you liar. Your racist and anti-semitic lies have constantly been exposed.

NOTE: Be not be deceived. No2Atheism has claimed ancient jews were as black as present day ethiopians and different from the west african; here's a picture of present day ethiopians. . . .

The first is haile Gebraiselasse the olympic runner. Second is Meles zenawi present day president of ethiopia. Third is Mengistu haile mariam, former ruler of ethiopia.

Ladies and Gentlemen please compare present day ethiopians with the typical west africans below and tell us if there's any significant difference. . . .

They are our very own OBJ and wole soyinka.

- Does anyone else apart from Tudor have something else to say or what

- I don't intend to waste my neuron connections on Tudor . . . . . .

Move along. . . .nobody wants to listen to your crap.

They all know its nonsense and just want you to openly embarass yourself for their comic relief. Save face and bolt

Anyone else . . . this Tudorific routine is certainly getting very old and boring . . .

Still here? Cover your lying face in shame. . .

SeanT21:

**Sits back and watch**

I am also sitting back to watch Tudor . . . he is such a natural actor . . . 

Who put Obasanjo's pic up there?

Tudor, i have no business with the OP, but let me just say as a diversion that i have worked in Kenya and Uganda, and i can comfortably state that they are a slightly different lot than west africans in terms of the generality of their skin. . .

Now the truth is historically eastern and southern african people have been subject to greater inter-race mixing than many west africans, so you can detect a slight deviation from pure negroid in many (not all o) of them.

I also read a report of a study of gene pools in Africa and it was found that west africans as a group are probably the only core and generally unspoilt negoroes in the african continent as at today.

These are not fixed facts, but only very brodd generalistic observations which i think contain some truth as i have been extensively in east and south africa.

As to black jews i dont know anything about that, but there were trade relations in the past - Egypt/ Ethiopa etc.

Pictures speak better than a thousand words. . . .post some pics let us compare and see how different their skin colour is.

   

pictures say a lot don't they . . .

Who asked this mooron to come post cartoons for me, are you stupiid?