| Re: Pastors And Controversies...kumuyi's Example by JusticeSeeker: 3:30pm On Apr 02, 2017 |
obyrich:
He has the anointing of holiness while the others had that of prosperity and swag. If you attack the image of a holy man, you won't inflict any damage whereas an attack on the image of a prosperity preacher will affect his business and drive his customers away. So they need to defend their business jealously. Bros. you've summed it up. 1 Like |
| Re: Pastors And Controversies...kumuyi's Example by Emycord: 3:43pm On Apr 02, 2017 |
anyebedgreat:
it's possible to know him and not know what he looks like hia i never heard these words in spoken history. Where did you get them from? Compare and contrast these ur words with the topic and narrative |
| Re: Pastors And Controversies...kumuyi's Example by brainbox2014(m): 3:49pm On Apr 02, 2017 |
We get the message but this story sounds concorted. ipreach:
On a certain day some years ago, Pastor W.F. Kumuyi was aflight en route Nigeria after ministering at a crusade abroad.
On the plane he sat by a chap who initiated a discussion. In the course of the discussion, this guy made Deeper Life Bible Church, its members, mode of dressing and several other aspects of the church the topic of discussion. He took his time to disparage Kumuyi's church and members while Pastor Kumuyi just smiled away.
At some point in the discussion the guy asked that they exchange acquaintances. He introduced himself and asked Kumuyi to do same. To his utmost surprise, he was not just sitting side by side with the General Superintendent of the Deeper Christian Life Ministry but also had spent over an hour castigating him and his church, unknowingly.
After his exclamations, he asked Kumuyi why he never put up any defence or express disapproval of his critical attitude towards his church and members. And Kumuyi just smiled and replied there was no need...and the man was inspired to give his life to Christ.
I pray our pastors who are currently embroiled in recent attacks on their persons and personalities would learn from Papa Kumuyi.
Take note:
You don't fight your battles, God does.
You do not need to be asked to forgive, you forgive.
No man can pull you down, except you allow him.
The church cannot be destroyed by Satan and his army of demons and humans. Never!
It's only in lifting up Christ will all men be drawn to Him not in defending ourselves.
IF THERE'S ANYONE TO DEFEND, IT IS JESUS AND JESUS ALONE.
IF THERE'S ANY VIRTUE, IT'S HIS FORGIVING LOVE.
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| Re: Pastors And Controversies...kumuyi's Example by profbabatunde: 3:54pm On Apr 02, 2017 |
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| Re: Pastors And Controversies...kumuyi's Example by enshy: 4:01pm On Apr 02, 2017 |
ipreach:
On a certain day some years ago, Pastor W.F. Kumuyi was aflight en route Nigeria after ministering at a crusade abroad.
On the plane he sat by a chap who initiated a discussion. In the course of the discussion, this guy made Deeper Life Bible Church, its members, mode of dressing and several other aspects of the church the topic of discussion. He took his time to disparage Kumuyi's church and members while Pastor Kumuyi just smiled away.
At some point in the discussion the guy asked that they exchange acquaintances. He introduced himself and asked Kumuyi to do same. To his utmost surprise, he was not just sitting side by side with the General Superintendent of the Deeper Christian Life Ministry but also had spent over an hour castigating him and his church, unknowingly.
After his exclamations, he asked Kumuyi why he never put up any defence or express disapproval of his critical attitude towards his church and members. And Kumuyi just smiled and replied there was no need...and the man was inspired to give his life to Christ.
I pray our pastors who are currently embroiled in recent attacks on their persons and personalities would learn from Papa Kumuyi.
Take note:
You don't fight your battles, God does.
You do not need to be asked to forgive, you forgive.
No man can pull you down, except you allow him.
The church cannot be destroyed by Satan and his army of demons and humans. Never!
It's only in lifting up Christ will all men be drawn to Him not in defending ourselves.
IF THERE'S ANYONE TO DEFEND, IT IS JESUS AND JESUS ALONE.
IF THERE'S ANY VIRTUE, IT'S HIS FORGIVING LOVE.
I had to read and reread op. No where Apostle Suleiman or any other was mentioned. How did we get to the point of leaving the message and dote about words? This case is even far different from Apostle Suleiman's and the other PHC pastor...We shouldnt be talking about what Baba Kumuyi would do or not do. Pls lets all get the message and dilute for ourselves and not another! |
| Re: Pastors And Controversies...kumuyi's Example by Fumiex(f): 4:24pm On Apr 02, 2017 |
odimbannamdi:
When Stephen was being stoned to death, he even pleaded to God not to require his blood from the hands of his assailants.
When the apostles were reviled and persecuted, they never for once thought to revenge their persecutors.
When Jesus was brought before Pilate to defend himself against the allegations the Scribes and Pharisees levelled against him, he did not utter a word.
See, it doesnt matter where u grew up in or what you have been through, the spirit of God makes you as gentle as a dove so much that you would prefer to lose everything for the sake of Heaven dats y christains are being treated anyhow. i should sit n watc one person tarnish my image all in the name of being a christain? as a christain we should b bold enough and stand for our right dats y christains are being killed in the north n dey couldnt do anything. i wont die early or allow pagans tarnish my image cos am a christain rather i will live n enjoy my christain life until the last day |
| Re: Pastors And Controversies...kumuyi's Example by sshalom(m): 4:25pm On Apr 02, 2017 |
OP summarized it all. All these self defense acrobatics are not the ways of Jesus Christ. |
| Re: Pastors And Controversies...kumuyi's Example by vislabraye(m): 4:49pm On Apr 02, 2017 |
Afam4eva:
I grew up mostly as a Deeper Life member and i left because of their doctrines. However, i think Kumuyi is someone that other so called men of Gd should look up to when coducting themselves. I'm not saying tat Kumuyi is a saint but as far as being humble and meek goes, he thumps all the Pastors that i've ever come across. He's a saint and so are you  |
| Re: Pastors And Controversies...kumuyi's Example by TI1919(m): 4:55pm On Apr 02, 2017 |
He collect tithe and offering and people here are calling him a righteous man and many other unnecessary names. My view is very simple: Any man that collects tithe in this new covenant time is an anti Christ because Jesus never collect tithe, his apostles never did. 2 Likes |
| Re: Pastors And Controversies...kumuyi's Example by graphiti: 4:57pm On Apr 02, 2017 |
obyrich:
He has the anointing of holiness while the others had that of prosperity and swag. If you attack the image of a holy man, you won't inflict any damage whekreas an attack on the image of a prosperity preacher will affect his business and drive his customers away. So they need to defend their business jealously. 1 Like |
| Re: Pastors And Controversies...kumuyi's Example by ychris: 4:58pm On Apr 02, 2017 |
ajaophobia:
Most Nigerians are very hypocritical. When otobo was attacking Suleiman, most of you were enjoying it, calling pastors all sort of names without asking relevant questions and wanting evidence. Now the table has turn around, everyone now want the Christ-like altitude. In as much I want the pastors involve to leave them alone and let bygone be bygone, we should also know that things like these are sensitive and effects on their congregations. UR RIGHT! |
| Re: Pastors And Controversies...kumuyi's Example by yatty4emmanuel(m): 4:59pm On Apr 02, 2017 |
Xavier9ja:
Am sorry to say this but kumuyi is the only preacher I admire, cherish and respect in the whole universe. I don't attend deeper life but this man teaches the real word of God, he preaches the bible from cover to cover, he is humble and he would have lived a flambouyant lifestyle if he wanted to but cos of his understanding of the word of God he is living a simple life which has made him excel spiritually. I am a sinner and I pray for Gods grace to turn away from my bad ways and I hope to have an encounter with papa kumuyi someday. You Sound Repented Already & May That Grace Come Upon You Now In Jesus Name.Amen. |
| Re: Pastors And Controversies...kumuyi's Example by TheGreatIYANU: 5:15pm On Apr 02, 2017 |
ipreach:
On a certain day some years ago, Pastor W.F. Kumuyi was aflight en route Nigeria after ministering at a crusade abroad....
Tell that to hundreds of Members who would have left David Ibiyiome's Ministry because of falsities spread by the 'blouse mouth Madam'. |
| Re: Pastors And Controversies...kumuyi's Example by dajooe: 5:32pm On Apr 02, 2017 |
iamtewwy:
.am an atheist but this man is d only pastor i respect in d whole world.. He is d only man that can tell me to sit down and open d bible for me and i would pretend to listen and wont try to arque.cause of the respect i have for him!! I can never and would never throw any shades at him!! Respect to him please
Apostle suleiman no fit try come near me! Talkless of to preach for me! Him dey crase? You mean there are still people bold enough to say they're atheists? Ooh! May your eyes be flooded with light. |
| Re: Pastors And Controversies...kumuyi's Example by anyebedgreat: 5:32pm On Apr 02, 2017 |
Emycord:
hia i never heard these words in spoken history. Where did you get them from? Compare and contrast these ur words with the topic and narrative Means you need to get more exposure brother. |
| Re: Pastors And Controversies...kumuyi's Example by graphiti: 5:39pm On Apr 02, 2017 |
goldedprince:
op, do you want him to be exposd too? Oya nah! Try ya luck |
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| Re: Pastors And Controversies...kumuyi's Example by Jokerman(m): 6:10pm On Apr 02, 2017 |
mickeymimi:
He is the only pastor I know that preaches so much on Holiness , rapture and making the kingdom of God . Have you heard Pastor Lazarus Muoka |
| Re: Pastors And Controversies...kumuyi's Example by mickeymimi: 6:18pm On Apr 02, 2017 |
Jokerman:
Have you heard Pastor Lazarus Muoka No .. Is he a Nigerian?? 1 Like |
| Re: Pastors And Controversies...kumuyi's Example by Tinyemeka(m): 6:35pm On Apr 02, 2017 |
Afam4eva:
I grew up mostly as a Deeper Life member and i left because of their doctrines. However, i think Kumuyi is someone that other so called men of Gd should look up to when coducting themselves. I'm not saying tat Kumuyi is a saint but as far as being humble and meek goes, he thumps all the Pastors that i've ever come across. What aspects of their doctrines made you leave? |
| Re: Pastors And Controversies...kumuyi's Example by suso(m): 6:35pm On Apr 02, 2017 |
LAFO:
Chai
Like say Seun go reward comments
LOL.. Na booking 1 Like |
| Re: Pastors And Controversies...kumuyi's Example by Afam4eva(m): 6:37pm On Apr 02, 2017 |
Tinyemeka:
What aspects of their doctrines made you leave? All of them. Infact, life in that church just seems like being locked up in prison. 3 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Pastors And Controversies...kumuyi's Example by unikprince(m): 7:01pm On Apr 02, 2017 |
Xavier9ja:
Am sorry to say this but kumuyi is the only preacher I admire, cherish and respect in the whole universe. I don't attend deeper life but this man teaches the real word of God, he preaches the bible from cover to cover, he is humble and he would have lived a flambouyant lifestyle if he wanted to but cos of his understanding of the word of God he is living a simple life which has made him excel spiritually. I am a sinner and I pray for Gods grace to turn away from my bad ways and I hope to have an encounter with papa kumuyi someday. You need an encounter with Jesus, not pastor kumuyi |
| Re: Pastors And Controversies...kumuyi's Example by hero2000: 7:04pm On Apr 02, 2017 |
Xavier9ja:
Am sorry to say this but kumuyi is the only preacher I admire, cherish and respect in the whole universe. I don't attend deeper life but this man teaches the real word of God, he preaches the bible from cover to cover, he is humble and he would have lived a flambouyant lifestyle if he wanted to but cos of his understanding of the word of God he is living a simple life which has made him excel spiritually. I am a sinner and I pray for Gods grace to turn away from my bad ways and I hope to have an encounter with papa kumuyi someday. If you are a sinner, the first thing you need is forgiveness of sins through faith in Jesus' death. That forgiveness is a free gift of God to all who believe in his Son. We don't buy God's mercy or favour by trying to live holy. No. Never. We keep from sin because the Lord, who saved us graciously, hates sin. That sequence is extremely important to the gospel. |
| Re: Pastors And Controversies...kumuyi's Example by hero2000: 7:18pm On Apr 02, 2017 |
majekdom2:
Why would you expect kumuyi to heat up an arguement. Will wining or loosing make any difference or change the deeper life church. Different context as with a criminal case as kemi's. Do you even understand the meaning of controversy? The person in this case only aired his thoughts and opinions... thats freedom of speech.
Publishing scandal and fake news to defame people is a crime. Totally different. May God grant Nigerians wisdom and intelligence. There is actually no difference. One feels he needs to defend himself AT ALL COST to people while the other knows God's defence is much superior. Hence their responses are different. Some folks were castigating Moses in the Bible but Moses the meek servant of God didn't even defend himself as it were. When God showed up those people were done for! If Moses had acted IN THE FLESH to defend himself God would never have showed up. |
| Re: Pastors And Controversies...kumuyi's Example by Emycord: 7:29pm On Apr 02, 2017 |
vislabraye:
He's a saint and so are you he is the church militant . The saints have arrived k. All are part of the body of christ i hope i can explain but i cant now |
| Re: Pastors And Controversies...kumuyi's Example by Nobody: 7:35pm On Apr 02, 2017 |
hero2000:
There is actually no difference.
One feels he needs to defend himself AT ALL COST to people while the other knows God's defence is much superior. Hence their responses are different.
Some folks were castigating Moses in the Bible but Moses the meek servant of God didn't even defend himself as it were. When God showed up those people were done for! If Moses had acted IN THE FLESH to defend himself God would never have showed up. Oga, one is freedom of speech, the other is crime. #get sense# |
| Re: Pastors And Controversies...kumuyi's Example by karnap(m): 7:36pm On Apr 02, 2017 |
dragonking3:
You are the hypocrite because you believe a story that has a high percentage of being false or lies. Anybody can cook up this story.
As for aunty Kemi, na PH prison she go chop watery beans. Very soon Otobo and freeze will join her No be me u come find for nairaland oh, |
| Re: Pastors And Controversies...kumuyi's Example by karnap(m): 7:41pm On Apr 02, 2017 |
PROPHETmichael:
Kemi and Stephanie has been forgiven by the pastors, it's now upto the police to accept the forgiveness. WHAT ABOUT THE RANG ROVER,DID PASTOR IBIBI ACEPT THAT HE BOUGHT IT,AND DID THE POLICE COLECT PST SULEMAN PASPORT TO CROS CHECK...MONEY SPEAK WEL FOR THE RICE |
| Re: Pastors And Controversies...kumuyi's Example by michaelwilli(m): 7:55pm On Apr 02, 2017 |
Emycord:
i kept wondering about ur statement while i read this rubbish. If there is a man that is so well know in christian circle today i think kumuyi will be that person. For this man to sit at or's side and he knows him not , am forced to ask op are you the only visitor in jerusalem that does not know about jesus.imagine forcing him to introduced himself quiet hilarious tnk God say u sef notice am. op no make single sense |
| Re: Pastors And Controversies...kumuyi's Example by PROPHETmichael: 8:08pm On Apr 02, 2017 |
karnap:
WHAT ABOUT THE RANG ROVER,DID PASTOR IBIBI ACEPT THAT HE BOUGHT IT,AND DID THE POLICE COLECT PST SULEMAN PASPORT TO CROS CHECK...MONEY SPEAK WEL FOR THE RICE If you are travelling to New York tomorrow and Stephanie Otobo happened to know your departure's time, booked her flight to correspond with yours and on getting to New York, both of you have your passport stamped showing the same date, flight no....my question to you is, does it mean you and Stephanie went to New York together? |
| Re: Pastors And Controversies...kumuyi's Example by Lancelott(m): 8:53pm On Apr 02, 2017 |
Shafiiimran99:
Church has been destroyed already by the roman I will advise you to stick to the topic at hand and leave the Romans alone |
