Omotorlani5007:


In an argument like this, you bring facts to prove your point if you have any contrary view to what the OP has written. yorubas will gladly embrace the traditional story from our benin brothers if only they come with facts not "argument" because yorubas are truly sophisticated. lastly, I need to ask any benin brother to tell us more about IFA oracle, the genesis of it, the first creature that used it because in yoruba we have answers to that and the last time I checked, benins have made claim to it...peace

MayorofLagos:
Ok OP im following you now. You dont run from controversial subjects, keep it up, but send me notification so i can jump in and contribute blows.

history2900:
You lost total credibility when you talked about "yoruba being malians", I don't even know why I am still reading your claims and responding to you. You don't know what you are saying. You keep making claims while providing no proof, and your claims are ridiculous to say the least.

history2900:
You lost total credibility when you talked about "yoruba being malians", I don't even know why I am still reading your claims and responding to you. You don't know what you are saying. You keep making claims while providing no proof, and your claims are ridiculous to say the least.

marabout:


Totally. No credibility whatsoever.

They lost even more credibility by ganging up to silent AreaFad2. I hoped I would be wrong when I predicted it.

You prevent someone from commenting or replying to posts, then flood it with papers written by you guys.

And those information you supplied to foreign writers.

Then go about saying you are scholars. You people cannot tolerate diverse opinions.

Same role you lot have played to entrench tribalism & mediocrity in Nigeria, tagging along with the feudalistic North. Betraying yourselves, from Afonja, to Akintola, to even OBJ.

Shame on you lot.

You can silent me here also.

@History2900, let them wallow in the narrow mindedness, tribalism, myopia & megalomania.

No amount of their "dubious scholarship" as Areafada rightly calls it will make a dent on Benin History.

YonkijiSappo:


Ok I have heard you.
Leave us with our Oduduwa and our religion, afterall, it isnt YOUR religion, or is it?
Now, back to the thread topic.

OlaoChi:


What you people are saying isn't even Bini history, just a few people inventing stories to feed their ethnic egoism

You have already dented your history with your hands

OlaoChi:


Oduduwa is worshiped in Bini. They even have an "oodua festival" and the name "Oduduwa" is very popular in Bini traditions

Yet they come here with a name "Izoduwa" that they never used to refer to oduduwa. Their lies!

marabout:


Totally. No credibility whatsoever.

They lost even more credibility by ganging up to silent AreaFad2. I hoped I would be wrong when I predicted it.

You prevent someone from commenting or replying to posts, then flood it with papers written by you guys.

And those information you supplied to foreign writers.

Then go about saying you are scholars. You people cannot tolerate diverse opinions.

Same role you lot have played to entrench tribalism & mediocrity in Nigeria, tagging along with the feudalistic North. Betraying yourselves, from Afonja, to Akintola, to even OBJ.

Shame on you lot.

You can silent me here also.

@History2900, let them wallow in the narrow mindedness, tribalism, myopia & megalomania.

No amount of their "dubious scholarship" as Areafada rightly calls it will make a dent on Benin History.

marabout:


Suddenly you also now know Benin history more than Benin people. You are really taking yourself too important these days.

Ebomisi is worshipped in Benin. Many other deified people are worshipped, even in ancient back in ancient Rome.

How does worship of a deified Edo man of whatever name variant change anything?

Chai, the thing dey pain una well well.

So you think Benin people will do boi-boi like you people do boi-boi follow Hausa? And just let you write historical nonesense and take it. In your dreams.

A case in politics: you see how Oyegun is doing his thing, balancing the over all interests of the many groups that make up APC. While Tinubu & his minions thought supporting Oyegun to be chairman means taking instruction from Tinubu. Edo people do not do that.

MetaPhysical:
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OlaoChi:


Oduduwa is worshiped in Bini. They even have an "oodua festival" and the name "Oduduwa" is very popular in Bini traditions

Yet they come here with a name "Izoduwa" that they never used to refer to oduduwa. Their lies!

MayorofLagos:


I agree alhaji. This is a myth buster!

How many people know Edos were conquered by invaders from Ife who installed a Chiefdom on them, and then followed it up with a monarchy, which then evolved into an Empire?

This is front page material definitely

YonkijiSappo:


The question is simple enough if you can read.
Origin of the first Benin monarchs. Shuooo!

AreaFada2:


Lol. No Yoruba invaded an inch of Edo land.

Whereas Benin took large swathes of Yorubaland, especially Eastern Yorubaland. I know because I still have relatives there including a first class King. The boundary agreed between Benin Empire & Oyo was at Otun (today in Northern Ekiti). The treaty was between Aare Ona Kankanfo of Oyo & Iyase Ekpenede of Benin. Check your history. And Benin founded Lagos monarchy through Esipka/Asipa & Prince Ado of Benin. Benin practically lost Lagos when Oba Kosoko was deposed in 1854 (actual signing of Epe Treaty with the British). That history is well-known. A son of a late Oba of Lagos personally confirmed that history to me. Oba Adolo of Benin instructed Oba/Eleko Dosunmu to allow Kosoko return from Epe to Lagos in 1860. But with British naval guns supporting him & British controlling him, it was the first time an Eleko dared to refuse Benin's command & officially stop paying annual tribute to Benin.

Over the years here on NL many of your people have come up with mushroom papers that hold no water. Only to disappear. None of them has even dared to claim Yoruba invasion of Benin land. Your own new invention is like AY comedy. Very dry indeed.
Julius Caesar is relevant because it shows leadership & organisation is key, not size. And the Oba himself led army to war, like Caesar did.

When Omonoyan, son of Izoduwa returned to Benin, he never even set foot in Benin. Some powerful Benin chieftains led by Chief Ogiamien refused him access to Ogiso palace. It took his great grandson (4 generations later) Oba Ewedo to overcome the resistance & enter Benin City proper. The heat of politics was too much that Omonoyan (Oranmiyan) left Benin suburb that he stayed and returned to Yorubaland. A relative of mine remains the Duke of one of the ancient Villages near Omonoyan's palace. Though Benin suburb today, they were outside villages then.
The Oba took his Regnal title Ewuare, last year on the same grounds near my relative's palace, just like Omonoyan's son Eweka I first did in about 1170AD. The issue of invasion does not arise.

It is nothing new for a royal relative in another land to return as King. In 1714, George Elector of Hanover, Germany, became King George I of England, being the closest relative of Childless Queen Anne of England who was trusted to be non-catholic. The Royal family of today comes from that German King. Being German & not keen on staying in England, he Chose Robert Walpole to become The First Minister. That is how Prime Minister position began in England. No invasion.

The Danish-German prince that became King of Greece is the ancestor of Prince Philip, husband of Queen Elizabeth of England today. Many other examples, earlier & later abound. E.g. William, Duke of Normandy (France) waged war on England's King Harold to reclaim the crown of his relative King Edward The Confessor, only because the crown due him was usurped by King Harold. That was even in 1066.

You need to understand comparative history to free your mind from narrow tribalistic chest-beating.

Omonoyan was a returnee Ogiso descendant. Via Prince Ekaladerhan who took Izoduwa as regnal name in Ife.

I am not talking based just on books. But based on history that lives & breathes in Benin. Used daily in songs, proverbs, morning greeting "oriki", royal ceremonial re-enactments, traditional worship, etc. Each time I visit my relative's palace there, the whole history of Eweka dynasty is rekindled.

What did we need Ebira for?
Benin was an astute Empire builder. Ebira was not on a trade route we needed, so why needed them? Whereas Eastern Yorubaland was useful. And Lagos Lagoon was important too from the Atlantic on the other side as was part of Ijebu on land towards Lagos.

Benin had to manage human & material resources very efficiently for best results. We didn't have populations needing huge land for resettlement. We needed vassals paying tributes & facilitating security & trade while maintaining core Benin population in Benin area. To the point prohibiting slave trading in Benin persons or by Benin persons & tribal tatoos & marks were made to identify Benin citizens.
Benin was one of the few nations worldwide with a standing army under Chief Ezomo, field commander of royal Army. A fact confirmed in the 1700s by A French slave trader who tried in vain to buy shiploads of slaves from the strong army of Benin from Ezomo. The same time Oyo thrived on slave trade.

Olu317:
If you think you have information that predated the beginning of OBA in BINI history, bring it forth. And stop thinking, ganging up was the matter. If your areafada, had point, he ought to presented it. I came forth with over 500 years of I, Olu317 personal history. Start with that on your own lineage. Then you can understand, why we YORUBA are different from you guys. Even your own brother @history2900, even couldn't read very well when he LIED, that I mentioned YORUBA FROM MALI. Is this how you people really are? If not because, my Edo friend has been a friend for over 26 years, I would have denounced my friendship with him,if you people are fond of telling consistent LIES.

marabout:


How can he bring forward when he is barred from commenting? This was your gang up plan, bar Areafada2 and then flood the thread with lies he cannot respond to.

What makes you believe that your mushroom so called proof has to dignified with any evidence.

Even simple fair play, you people are afraid of. Shame on you guys.

Anyhow, who says those so called evidence are genuine?

Who cares about what your Muslim masters write or think of Yoruba?

You lot are so pained & jealous that you have dedicated yourself to denying Benin history. Continue with your futility.

I guess History2900 has already learnt not to argue with bigoted narrow minded people.

So you feed your Edo friend that he will miss your friendship? Who says he cares about such a worthless friendship? See megalomania o. Very funny.

Maybe he grew up in Yorubaland to even keep a friend like you.

You cannit not be different from the usual traitor, backbitting behaviour while forming "respectful".

So the new line is that the malian empire was Yoruba ? Please do you hear yourself ? You talk like a crazy person. As I keep saying let us deal with facts. The Oduduwa story is mere unverrifyable fiction. History and religion are two different things. Enough said. Next time you want to claim something attach a proof to it !

AreaFada2:
Finally I can comment. But you people are pathetic to have silenced me here.
Do not expect me to come and behave in a way you people want. Or expect me to answer your stupid questions. I am actuallly furious for this silly barring fvck up.

I think I was too gentle here. Seun and his absolutely lost my respect.

Ban me, I do not give a rat's poo hole.

The sooner you forget about your "Dr Who" Oduduwa teleporting up and down and family using chain to descend from heaven or some funny hill, the better. As much as it might diminish your Olumo Rock size ego, Izoduwa was no magician
he was simply a Benin prince. A gifted medicine man for sure. Even your little kids if you have any, will tell you how silly your Dr Who desert from Arabia or some God- forsaken place story is. Your citing papers you guys wrote and provided information to write has no merit.

Do you think you are Lai Mohammed and we are the gullible public?

AreaFada2:
Olu37 or whatever you call yourself, no amount of copy & paste will stir me to take you seriously.

It appears Benin History Denial is your full-time job. Keep posting lies, at least you have to earn your keep.

My respect for all of you including Seun Osewa is gone. Totally gone.

I can now imagine how Benin/Delta people who had enough of Western Nigerian shenanigans and left to form Midwest Region felt.

If you people have any dream of writing Edo people's history, wake up from it. We are not you people that let Arabs, Malians & Hausa-Fulani write your history.

MetaPhysical:


Start defending your history against the truths in these papers authored by Bernadenko. If you need to know who he is, look through the many references I posted and also check him up on internet. One of his sources is Egharevba, a respected historian with solid connection and direct access to the Oba palace.

A stream that cuts off its origin will do what...? Dry UP! You see what is happening to your Bini culture in the past 30years? Steadily decaying. When you reconnect with your origin, Ile Ife, the ancestors will renew your land for you. But whether you reconnect or continue to deny is immaterial, historians around the world agree that Yoruba colonized you and gave you Ogiso and Oba.

Lagos is an extension of the Oba dynasty, and hence a pedigree of Ile Ife royal encestry. If you don't believe me go and read the Oriki of Oba Akinsemoyin 3rd monarch of Lagos and a grandson of Oba Ado, it says it all. The Oriki connects his root with Olofin and ackowledges his background in Bini.

AreaFada2:
Olu37 or whatever you call yourself, no amount of copy & paste will stir me to take you seriously.

It appears Benin History Denial is your full-time job. Keep posting lies, at least you have to earn your keep.

My respect for all of you including Seun Osewa is gone. Totally gone.

I can now imagine how Benin/Delta people who had enough of Western Nigerian shenanigans and left to form Midwest Region felt.

If you people have any dream of writing Edo people's history, wake up from it. We are not you people that let Arabs, Malians & Hausa-Fulani write your history.

AreaFada2:

Kikikikikiki!

Defend? So you guy consider yourselves some kind of "spanish inquisitors" . Hahahaha.
You guys have no story and you are not in a million years in a position to ask me to defend anything.

I have been too nice here. Taking time to educate you ignorant lot. Since the gang up and silencing, that has stopped. Go and keep reading those your "Dr. Who" Oduduwa papers. And whatever papers you think you have on Edo.


I have no business with your oriki. If you like preach from here to Jericho. You cannot know the history of Lagos monarchy more than a prince of that house.
I know the plan already. To try & deny Benin history. Like a jealous neighbor who instead of acknowledging other's achievement & working hard to achieve same, goes round denigrating & backbiting others.

All the so called evidence you pull out from your an*s are meant to achieve that purpose.

Even if you teleport Oduduwa to come and explain it by himself, I won't impress me.

Let's get this cleared up: I do not consider you lot credible in any way. So reading your papers or answering anything will not happen. Not anymore.

I will only now come to amuse myself and your expense.

AreaFada2:

Kikikikikiki!

Defend? So you guy consider yourselves some kind of "spanish inquisitors" . Hahahaha.
You guys have no story and you are not in a million years in a position to ask me to defend anything.

I have been too nice here. Taking time to educate you ignorant lot. Since the gang up and silencing, that has stopped. Go and keep reading those your "Dr. Who" Oduduwa papers. And whatever papers you think you have on Edo.


I have no business with your oriki. If you like preach from here to Jericho. You cannot know the history of Lagos monarchy more than a prince of that house.
I know the plan already. To try & deny Benin history. Like a jealous neighbor who instead of acknowledging other's achievement & working hard to achieve same, goes round denigrating & backbiting others.

All the so called evidence you pull out from your an*s are meant to achieve that purpose.

Even if you teleport Oduduwa to come and explain it by himself, It won't impress me.

Let's get this cleared up: I do not consider you lot credible in any way. So reading your papers or answering anything will not happen. Not anymore.

I will only now come to amuse myself at your expense.