if there was actually a pact with d devil causing all dis probs in haiti as said by pat robertson,i just want to know if he or his ministry has in anyway contributed to thier spiritual upliftment in gettin out of d pact?

Folks,

Before we castrate Pat, we need to take a look back at history and look at the facts:

- Haiti revolution of 1794 was started by a voodoo priest
- On independence in 1804, the country was dedicated to Satan (January 4th)
- Haiti population is primarily from West Africa (though they speak the language of their colonial masters:French, Spanish, English)
- While Catholicism is the official religion, over 95% of the populace is involved in voodoo (this I think is similar to Nigeria where we all go to church but most people still practice stuff by the side)

Now to the one that really got me thinking,
- this is the first independent slave nation of African origin in the world (over 200 years old), and look at where they are still at. It is the poorest country in the western hemisphere, Nigerian infrastructure is excellent when compared to what you get in Haiti. Haiti is older than America! I strongly believe something is wrong somewhere. I do not want to believe that colonialism or slavery is responsible for this. It has been over 200 years for heaven sake!

I hope and pray that our Nigeria (that has a lot in similarities with Haiti) does not go down this route. We are just 49 years old. I have a friend who runs a charity in Haiti and I must say people have been wonderful when it comes to helping out on the current crisis.

I will appreciate thoughtful responses to this post, not emotional laden ones!

I know many may not agree but truly there are spiritual reasons why some things happen and science simply can't give explanation for everything

Am not surprised, [b]the average christian is WICKED and SELFISH, you hear prayers like 'god bless me and my family, when the trumpet sounds let me and my family b caught up, etc, ' the preach love and forgiveness but the they are the greatest defaulters![/b]Haiti, we love and wish you super recovery, you'd raise again irrespective of what Xtians think  

because of that statement, they are selfish and wicked?

did u also sign a pact with the devil for a malfunctioning brain?
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FLT123:

Folks,

Before we castrate Pat, we need to take a look back at history and look at the facts:

- Haiti revolution of 1794 was started by a voodoo priest
- On independence in 1804, the country was dedicated to Satan (January 4th)
- Haiti population is primarily from West Africa (though they speak the language of their colonial masters:French, Spanish, English)
- While Catholicism is the official religion, over 95% of the populace is involved in voodoo (this I think is similar to Nigeria where we all go to church but most people still practice stuff by the side)

Now to the one that really got me thinking,
- this is the first independent slave nation of African origin in the world (over 200 years old), and look at where they are still at. It is the poorest country in the western hemisphere, Nigerian infrastructure is excellent when compared to what you get in Haiti. Haiti is older than America! I strongly believe something is wrong somewhere. I do not want to believe that colonialism or slavery is responsible for this. It has been over 200 years for heaven sake!

I hope and pray that our Nigeria (that has a lot in similarities with Haiti) does not go down this route. We are just 49 years old. I have a friend who runs a charity in Haiti and I must say people have been wonderful when it comes to helping out on the current crisis.

I will appreciate thoughtful responses to this post, not emotional laden ones!

But why are we just hearing this now after the earthquake? This is the way con men called men of God have their way into people's hearts.

If he is truly sent by God,he should say stuffs b4 they happen.Not after.

I dunno why people are all up in arms over Robertson. Are you people still taking anything he says seriously? it has long been established the guy has serious issues so I'm not sure what all the fuss is about.

Anyways one post on this thread caught my attention and lured me in:

FLT123:

Folks,

Before we castrate Pat, we need to take a look back at history and look at the facts:

- Haiti revolution of 1794 was started by a voodoo priest
- On independence in 1804, the country was dedicated to Satan (January 4th)
- Haiti population is primarily from West Africa (though they speak the language of their colonial masters:French, Spanish, English)
- While Catholicism is the official religion, over 95% of the populace is involved in voodoo (this I think is similar to Nigeria where we all go to church but most people still practice stuff by the side)

Now to the one that really got me thinking,
- this is the first independent slave nation of African origin in the world (over 200 years old), and look at where they are still at. It is the poorest country in the western hemisphere, Nigerian infrastructure is excellent when compared to what you get in Haiti. Haiti is older than America! I strongly believe something is wrong somewhere. I do not want to believe that colonialism or slavery is responsible for this. It has been over 200 years for heaven sake!

I hope and pray that our Nigeria (that has a lot in similarities with Haiti) does not go down this route. We are just 49 years old. I have a friend who runs a charity in Haiti and I must say people have been wonderful when it comes to helping out on the current crisis.

I will appreciate thoughtful responses to this post, not emotional laden ones!

   Excellent points! Why haven't we all been wondering (instead of diverting our passionate fire towards Robertson) what is wrong with Haiti? What are the practical, economic, tangible reasons why they are still living in the dark ages?

JeSoul:

Anyways one post on this thread caught my attention and lured me in:
   Excellent points! Why haven't we all been wondering (instead of diverting our passionate fire towards Robertson) what is wrong with Haiti? What are the practical, economic, tangible reasons why they are still living in the dark ages?

Haiti is still living in the dark(like most African countries) because of lack of accountability, transperancy, greed, lazy mentality, and perharps a culture that does not support development like that of many African cultures. Are you one of those that believe that Haiti is where it is because of some supernatural pact?

toneyb:

Haiti is still living in the dark(like most African countries) because of lack of accountability, transperancy, greed, lazy mentality, and perharps a culture that does not support development like that of many African cultures. Are you one of those that believe that Haiti is where it is because of some supernatural pact?

Gbam !

On 6/18/2003 at 1316hrs., Rev. Hansen received this prophecy:
"Haiti: a land drenched in the blood of goats, and sheep, and chickens, and pigs. Yes, the blood offered to please the gods of hell will not save you for what is coming upon your land. Only my precious blood from my Son Jesus can protect you from the wrath coming in the future.

Yes, blood is coming and only my blood can spare your soul from the justice that is coming against the gods of hell. You worship other gods and spirits, but 'I AM that I AM Jesus Christ' is returning to judge the nations and returning to judge Haiti.

Yes, your leadership, whose bodies have been baptized in the blood of animals (pigs and goats etc.), will not help you now. The gods and spirits from other lands far away across the oceans will not help you now, for I am coming back to judge all. Thus saith the Word and the Spirit of the only God that lives, Jesus Christ."

http://www.worldministries.org/haiti.html

Toneyb,

Let's get into the principle of the principle of 5 whys. It basically says that if you ask why 5 times and you get the right answers, you should arrive at the root cause of a problem. Why is Haiti suffering from "lack of accountability, transparency, greed, lazy mentality and a culture that does not support development" - quoting you?

Better still, why is Nigeria (I suggest we use Nigeria as a case in point because of similarities with Haiti) the way it is today, why do we have a missing president, why is there corruption everywhere, why do we have so many so called pastors and the country is still not getting better, so many whys?

We can all point to the things you mentioned and I can tell you that those are symptoms of a bigger problem.

I dont know about that Pat guy, BUT I know that Haiti is Voodoo country; They are a nation devoted to voodoo.

As to how this quake has to do with a "Pact" with the devil?, well I know that those things we read in the bible about how God wiped out nations, they are not stories, they are true.

Just like individuals, once they are so into voodoo (or juju as we call it) - they end up unproductive and as God hands out His judgement these days; they are doomed with all sorts of calamities.

There is a God, better beleive it

toneyb:

Haiti is still living in the dark(like most African countries) because of lack of accountability, transperancy, greed, lazy mentality, and perharps a culture that does not support development like that of many African cultures. Are you one of those that believe that Haiti is where it is because of some supernatural pact?

Toney what jesoul thinks about the spiritual climate of Haiti is irrelevant now and forever. I asked a practical question and you gave a very good practical response. That is really the bottomline, not what Robertson or any other loon has to say.

FLT123:

Toneyb,

Let's get into the principle of the principle of 5 whys. It basically says that if you ask why 5 times and you get the right answers, you should arrive at the root cause of a problem. Why is Haiti suffering from "lack of accountability, transparency, greed, lazy mentality and a culture that does not support development" - quoting you?

Better still, why is Nigeria (I suggest we use Nigeria as a case in point because of similarities with Haiti) the way it is today, why do we have a missing president, why is there corruption everywhere, why do we have so many so called pastors and the country is still not getting better, so many whys?

We can all point to the things you mentioned and I can tell you that those are symptoms of a bigger problem.

And what do you think is this bigger problem? can it be solved?

Onwan:

I dont know about that Pat guy, BUT I know that Haiti is Voodoo country; They are a nation devoted to voodoo.

As to how this quake has to do with a "Pact" with the devil?, well I know that those things we read in the bible about how God wiped out nations, they are not stories, they are true.

Just like individuals, once they are so into voodoo (or juju as we call it) - they end up unproductive and as God hands out His judgement these days; they are doomed with all sorts of calamities.

There is a God, better beleive it

Are you one of Pat Robertson's foot soldier or did you just drink the Pat's cool-aide?

FLT123:

Toneyb,

Let's get into the principle of the principle of 5 whys. It basically says that if you ask why 5 times and you get the right answers, you should arrive at the root cause of a problem. Why is Haiti suffering from "lack of accountability, transparency, greed, lazy mentality and a culture that does not support development" - quoting you?

Better still, why is Nigeria (I suggest we use Nigeria as a case in point because of similarities with Haiti) the way it is today, why do we have a missing president, why is there corruption everywhere, why do we have so many so called pastors and the country is still not getting better, so many whys?

We can all point to the things you mentioned and I can tell you that those are symptoms of a bigger problem.

I want to underdsand what you are saying before I reply, what are you suggesting is the "bigger problem"?

@Toneyb
Dont even get me started; I already told you I dont know that Bleep called Pat or about whatever his views are BUT this I know;

There is God, and he watches everyone. He hates Idolatory, Homosexualism and all those anti-Christ moves. He will destroy nations devotes and fighting for things like that.

I can tell you right now that for instance; Any nation that legalizes Gay "Marriages" will be doomed shortly. I dont have to be Pat to tell you that, Its what I know - and if you dont know it, then Bleep off.

Toneyb,

Do you believe in God?

FLT123:

Toneyb,

Do you believe in God?

Lemme help Toney here, the answer is No. He's an atheist.

Robertson is an idi.ot, no doubt.

We are the ones that changed from riding horses and chariots to Navigators, He remains that same God who ordains and judges, so I suggest you go read that very simple english book and check what He wants and does not want.

Lots of us get so involved with "development", "science" and "pastors" that we think God looks like or thinks like any of those things, He doesnt, He thinks like He did in the Bible "Days", thats Him;

NOT the Sunday "service" or weekly "fellowships".

What else do we expect when pastors now act like God themselves?

The elements are angels of God. They carry out assignments from God. I do not hold brief for Pat, but perhaps he is describing the cause from the fact of what had happened to the little Island nation. If we agree that God knows everything, then surely he knew that the earthquake will occur? All said, the disaster is a time for all well meaning people to rally round Haiti and not to judge her.

There are lots of voodoo practitioners in Haiti. AT the same time, there are a whole lot of Christians in that country. This earthquake killed both faithless and faithful alike. Ascribing this to God is an act of utter foolishness.

If as a Christian you subscribe to this belief that the poor people of Haiti are being punished for the 'sins' committed many years ago, how then does this dovetail into your belief that God is loving and just?

What happened in Haiti is a natural disaster, nothing more. Any attempt to read any 'divine punishment' into this smacks of the sadistic Christianity many of you practice these days.

@texa
Im not going to pretend I did not just read your post and let it ride; From what you posted up there?, it only shows how silly you are.

And that bull about Sadistic?, shows you are really messed up. Facts are facts, go figure

Onwan:

@Toneyb
Dont even get me started; I already told you I dont know that bleep called Pat or about whatever his views are BUT this I know;

There is God, and he watches everyone. He hates Idolatory, Homosexualism and all those anti-Christ moves. He will destroy nations devotes and fighting for things like that.

I can tell you right now that for instance; Any nation that legalizes Gay "Marriages" will be doomed shortly. I dont have to be Pat to tell you that, Its what I know - and if you dont know it, then bleep off.

When will your god attack countries Like Portugal, Finland, Sweden, Denmark, Latvia, Czech Republic and so many other atheist European nation out there that have legalized homosexuality and whose citizens are mostly atheists? Is your religion FEAR? . And Please stop talking about having any knowledge because you don't KNOW ANYTHING.

texazzpete:

There are lots of voodoo practitioners in Haiti. AT the same time, there are a whole lot of Christians in that country. This earthquake killed both faithless and faithful alike. Ascribing this to God is an act of utter foolishness.

Why is it that people ONLY ascribe good things to their god but ascribe bad things to the mythical satan or demons? Do you read your bible at all? According to the bible the Yahweh says that he is responsible for all the bad things that we see around like natural disasters, drought and other calamities.

"When disaster comes to a city, Has not the Lord caused it?" (Amos 3:6) NLT

Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it? Amos 3:6 KJV

If as a Christian you subscribe to this belief that the poor people of Haiti are being punished for the 'sins' committed many years ago, how then does this dovetail into your belief that God is loving and just?

What happened in Haiti is a natural disaster, nothing more. Any attempt to read any 'divine punishment' into this smacks of the sadistic Christianity many of you practice these days.

Natural disasters if we are to go by what the bible says are all the actions of Yahweh. Read your bible sometimes and stop allowing pastors to read it for you.

FLT123:

Toneyb,

Do you believe in God?

No.

Pat Robertson and his counterparts like Rush Limbaugh spewing their asinine comments amidst this irreversible tragedy that has struck Haiti are buffoons AFAIK. May God forgive me for reproving his minister, but his outlandish episode made me indignant.

H2O2:

Pat Robertson and his counterparts like Rush Limbaugh spewing their asinine comments amidst this irreversible tragedy that has struck Haiti are buffoons AFAIK. May God forgive me for reproving his minister, but his outlandish episode made me indignant.

The FRAUD called Pat Robertson is not a minister of any body but a minister of himself, his greed and his family. The guys fraudulent activities are very well documented.