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Re: Chinua Achebe - What Nigeria Means To Me by RichyBlacK(m): 12:32am On Jan 27, 2010 |
Onlytruth: @Onlytruth, Please try to understand Katsumoto; you don't have to attack him because he's trying to remain civil. One problem with many Nigerians is that they confuse civility and courtesy for weakness and stupidity. Katsumoto has, under difficult situations, maintained admirable civility. I respect that more than the rants from becomrrich's assistant, akingberu or something. |
Re: Chinua Achebe - What Nigeria Means To Me by Katsumoto: 12:39am On Jan 27, 2010 |
RichyBlacK: Thank you |
Re: Chinua Achebe - What Nigeria Means To Me by Katsumoto: 1:10am On Jan 27, 2010 |
RichyBlacK: RichyBlack You are a very funny chap. You inferred that you were an oldman by telling Babapupa that he does not respect an elder. I actually thought you were an old man( older than 45); not realising that you are not that old. Perhaps you said that because you know old Babapupa is. |
Re: Chinua Achebe - What Nigeria Means To Me by akigbemaru: 1:28am On Jan 27, 2010 |
Richyblack You can’t spoil my name for me please, if you don’t know how to pronoun or call my name doesn’t even say it. Or else I may charge you for an act of spoonerism, anyway ain’t gotta be scared it’s just an ordinary misdemeanor. Just have to warn your monkey (Onlytraitor) to back off, a lot of Ibos are making head ways in Lagos, we never get mad and we are one family. Many of them have big mansions and are happy with their lives. But someone like OnlyTraitor with his parochial mentality thinks he sees behind a closed door. I every time, I come to argue on this forum, it’s always between he and I. I know he is the master on YOUTUBE telling the whole how Nigeria hates his people because they are Jews of Africa. [size=16pt][/size]You put all every blame on Yorubas for your throes. According to the statistics of major people that governed this great country across all regions. NE represents 37 NW represents 36 NC represents 35 SS represents 31 SE represents 34 SW represents 35 Why is it that you always talk about Hausa and Yoruba as the people that hold this country backward? Yoruba only has 35 officials at the federal level which is by the same number when compared to the SE. |
Re: Chinua Achebe - What Nigeria Means To Me by babapupa: 4:00am On Jan 27, 2010 |
RichyBlacK: Look at this dude doing exactly what he's deceptively campaigning against. You need bitterness and blood transfusion to flush the hidden hate and bitterness out of your system. Who are you trying to fool? You sound like the racist white guy saying I don't hate black people because my best friend is black. lol @ I respect Yoruba people disclaimer. Please be yourself and quit condescending, very unnecessary. |
Re: Chinua Achebe - What Nigeria Means To Me by RichyBlacK(m): 4:09am On Jan 27, 2010 |
Katsumoto: Katsumoto, I ain't that old, LOL. I know Babapupa very well and that chap is a small boy, he just likes annoying me. |
Re: Chinua Achebe - What Nigeria Means To Me by RichyBlacK(m): 4:12am On Jan 27, 2010 |
akigbemaru: akigbemaru, Just in case you're still living in oblivion, just know that you have no credibility on NL. Your posts are predictable and filled with tribalist rants that nobody even reads them. Just like everybody knows what becomrrich will post before he posts them, we all know what you're about and so can't take you seriously. You've been added to the list of clowns and jesters on NL. |
Re: Chinua Achebe - What Nigeria Means To Me by babapupa: 4:16am On Jan 27, 2010 |
revolt: Of what joy and pride is it to keep bragging that you own another man's land that you have zero control of when your own is lacking attention and fallowing away? What are you going to hand over to your future generations? Other people's land/states or your own developed and flourishing, cities, towns and villages? You guys need to stop running on empty, shallowness and shortsightedness. |
Re: Chinua Achebe - What Nigeria Means To Me by RichyBlacK(m): 4:26am On Jan 27, 2010 |
babapupa: Look at this teenage monkey. You definitely don't know me - I only speak my mind. Every person of any intellect knows that unlike well-identified war criminals among the Yoruba ethnic group, e.g. Benjamin Adekunle, there are men and women of caliber, men and women that I respect no matter the amount of foolishness in your cranium. That list of Yorubas that the world admire is long, longer than that list of bigoted fo.ols and war criminals that you worship. Simply because a simpleton like you share the same ethnic group with these men and women of honorable repute, does not mean I should tarnish their image in any way. I know a fo.ol like you will expect me to insult a great mind like Wole Soyinka because id.iots of your type do the same, however, even if you wait till you die and reincarnate a thousand times, that will not happen. Silly as.sfag! |
Re: Chinua Achebe - What Nigeria Means To Me by babapupa: 4:32am On Jan 27, 2010 |
lol. Omo, save your dry Kalahari story for NL mumu wey no sabi your ways, lol @ inserting Wole Shoyinka. What's he got to do with your weak rant? Why take the man's name to prop up our yeye story? lol @ dude acting disgruntled and cursing like a 2 year old throwing tantrums, talk about typical Igbo rage. who's a f!agot? You're not only a clueless hate monger, you're a freeking petty bigot too. see as you just dey show your tru color. I know say all that kumbaya na fake and you go still expose ya real self, I just no know say you go show am quick quick, |
Re: Chinua Achebe - What Nigeria Means To Me by RichyBlacK(m): 4:43am On Jan 27, 2010 |
babapupa: Sorry bro, no kumbaya for your type. People like you do not make the kind of careless statements you make here in public. Na inside your basement all that dey end; go talk am for outside make awon aje okuta ma momi break that your coconut head. Unlike you, I can tell gold from copper, even if they put all of them in one basket. |
Re: Chinua Achebe - What Nigeria Means To Me by akigbemaru: 6:15am On Jan 27, 2010 |
Babapupa Alju aya, file fun and RichyBlack Ogala make u let am go! We go keep this rant&rave to next time when the next opportunity surfaces. |
Re: Chinua Achebe - What Nigeria Means To Me by RichyBlacK(m): 6:24am On Jan 27, 2010 |
akigbemaru: Ko si wahala. |
Re: Chinua Achebe - What Nigeria Means To Me by Remii(m): 7:27am On Jan 27, 2010 |
RichyBlacK: Why Nigerians always call each other names, The other day I heared "Gambari nta naama, eran nta eran", Ibo would call Yoruba "Ofe manu" Hausa would say "beerebe" Yoruba would call Ibo "yamirin or ajo kuta mamumi" Yet to non Nigerians same naa ni gbogbo wa, why,why,why |
Re: Chinua Achebe - What Nigeria Means To Me by Nobody: 7:29am On Jan 27, 2010 |
Kosovo should just lock this thread and throw the key in the toilet,it's getting boring and boring because these biafra rants will continue to blab all in the name of biafra. @Richyblack point of correction.Awolowo,obj and co did not betrayed the igbo generation.your fore-fathers mortgaged their future out of their greed/ selfish interests.stop blaming yoruba for your misfortunes and move ahead. |
Re: Chinua Achebe - What Nigeria Means To Me by RichyBlacK(m): 8:15am On Jan 27, 2010 |
~Bluetooth: ~Bluetooth, Since when did blaming Osama bin Laden for 9-11 equivalent to blaming the whole Arabs? Try to apply elementary logic when reading other people's comments. |
Re: Chinua Achebe - What Nigeria Means To Me by revolt(m): 8:24am On Jan 27, 2010 |
Liars i don't argue much but don't say that war was fought selfishly. Ok why are you guys now complainin about nigeria and the north holdin us back.a lot of you even suggest break up.The truth is deeply you guys know your leaders sold you all to slavery in the name of half bread is better than none even if it's spoilt. The inventor of tribalism and nigerian genocide. (need not mention his name) decided to serve the north. That was the best time to break this contraption. For those saying marginalisation is a farce by us could someone explain to me why the ports in the east do not work including calabar that faces the sea and would be strategic even as lagos is so congested? If i can get a sane answer i'll ask a few more. |
Re: Chinua Achebe - What Nigeria Means To Me by onyengbu1(m): 9:38am On Jan 27, 2010 |
revolt: The problem here is that you assumed that Lagos is what it is today ONLY because it has sea port and for that, I will say ask another one or think deeper. ~Bluetooth: If you ask me, your so called biafra rant will continue as long as people like you will continue to regard any issue concerning the war raised by any igbo person as biafra rant. The only reason why igbo people are still bitter about the war is simply because it has never been addressed. Nigeria likes sweeping it under the carpet and thats why it will always sleep under us. Hutu/Tutsi carnage is now history because it was addressed and people who wronged others apologized. They even made their killing fields into some sort of museum where everyone visits. So is South African apartheid. Blacks and whites admitted their wrong doings and apologized to each other. This war thing will continue to remain with Nigeria as long as we refuse to address it. The closest Nigeria came to ever touching the war issue was during Oputa panel but rather than pointing out wrong doings and asking perpetrators to apologize, hausa/yoruba representatives were busy trying to prove that the january '66 coup was an igbo coup and that was what caused the war. See where it has left us today. |
Re: Chinua Achebe - What Nigeria Means To Me by revolt(m): 9:59am On Jan 27, 2010 |
Lag was once the federal capital but is that a good reason for sabotaging all other ports and do you agree with me that calabar would become another commercial city. Is there anything wrong in having more commercial cities rather than loosing money to a congested port. I need an answer not questions. Rhetorical for that matter |
Re: Chinua Achebe - What Nigeria Means To Me by LAFOCUZY: 11:24am On Jan 27, 2010 |
revolt: I kind of agree with revolt on this specific comment. I have always wondered why other ports like calabar and Port harcourt and maybe another one in somewhere oando are not developed. I have been to the ports in lagos; its simply congested, when quite a number of the imported goods go to onitcha and other parts of the country. Why not dredge river niger and have an in land port if we can have a dry dock in lagos. If you have tried to clear your goods from the port in lagos you will understand what I mean. The answer to these question is simple; no single person in the country's leadership believes in this country; no, not one. The people who do don't get there or are removed the minute they try. These guys are simple minded, greedy folks, who tell all of us how divided we are- that you are igbo or yoruba and create a situation of instability to continue to perpetrate their wicked act. Sometime, please pardon, I think we need to do something really harsh to take away these guys. I had a discussion with a colleague of mine who is American and we veered towards 419; He said quite frankly that nigeria have intelligent, vibrant and educated young people who must necessarily engage their mind and intuition. It is the responsibility of good government to harness these potentials for good, else, these guys will channel this level of intelligence to something seeming "unproductive"( afterall they have to survive and have a leaving---) however criminal, especially when they see their leaders doing it. That is survival for them; not everyone has the moral capacity to contain this temptation Friends what do we all do?? That is the big question. I f we do nothing then we all deserve the kind of government we get!!!!! I am ready for any movement that will institute good governance, alleviate the level of poverty in Nigeria by whatever mean possible. If secession is going to achieve this; OK. No point having a big dysfunctional country of largely poor people, although there is no guarantee a smaller country can afterall Haiti is a small country. I am only tired of seeing people who are hard working but poor and some others who do practically nothing but very rich. It pains meee. Nigeria is not land of equal opportunity |
Re: Chinua Achebe - What Nigeria Means To Me by ud4u: 12:10pm On Jan 27, 2010 |
Nigeria is not one and can never be one, there is no two ways about it |
Re: Chinua Achebe - What Nigeria Means To Me by Katsumoto: 12:13pm On Jan 27, 2010 |
revolt: I understand what you are driving at. But the problem with your argument is that you think the buffoons that have been ruling us, did it for strategic reasons. There was nothing strategic about the non-development of other cities. There are bad roads everywhere, energy and power resources are almost non-existent. There are no good hospitals in Nigeria because our leaders believe in flying to Europe for check-up and hiring helicopter ambulances in emergencies forgetting that there is currently no means of transport quick enough to get you to Europe when you get a heart attack. Do you know how many of our corrupt leaders have died in those Air ambulances? Several of them but still they do nothing. The problem with Africa is that she is ruled by visionless and corrupt leaders. Having several functioning ports is not the only requirement for sustainable development. You need a good road infrastructure as well so as to be able to deliver goods to and fro the seaports. Leaders only care about Lagos ports because Nigeria is mainly an importing country and since our corrupt leaders all have houses in Lagos, they concentrate on the port there to be able to receive their cars, pampers, etc. In a country with sound leaders, Nigeria would still be exporting Cocoa, palm kernel, meat, etc and all the seaports at Lagos, Warri, Port Harcourt, and Calabar would be well developed./ |
Re: Chinua Achebe - What Nigeria Means To Me by Dede1(m): 12:58pm On Jan 27, 2010 |
LAFOCUZY: I must say that your post contained encouraging words and good understanding of the sources of the socio-political grouses of Biafrans in today’s Nigeria. However, certain sections of your posts have equally left with me the idea of sarcasm. It could be either honest omission or plain commission of insult to the Biafrans that you consistently written Bavarian for Biafran and Gobs for Igbos. Other than those fallible commitments, I looked upon you as a Nigerian with intentions of unity if only you are not of Igbo ethnicity or a conniving detractor. |
Re: Chinua Achebe - What Nigeria Means To Me by Katsumoto: 1:04pm On Jan 27, 2010 |
Dede1: I think he used the spell-checker without watching. Some spell-checkers uses Bavaria for Biafra. |
Re: Chinua Achebe - What Nigeria Means To Me by Mekusxyz: 2:40pm On Jan 27, 2010 |
Re: Dipo Dina Shot Dead In Ogun State « #48 on: Today at 02:38:57 PM » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://thenationonlineng.net/web2/articles/34076/1/How-Dipo-Dina-was-killed-by-police-chief/Page1.html According to the police chief, the woman who he simply called Funmi said they and the late politician were going to a river on Agbara road, Ota "for spiritual cleansing" when the killers blocked their vehicle near Winners’ Chapel and shot the late Dina in the abdomen, killing him. He did not elaborate. Two things that Yorubas are thoroughly familiar with: rituals and women. |
Re: Chinua Achebe - What Nigeria Means To Me by Onlytruth(m): 4:57pm On Jan 27, 2010 |
LAFOCUZY: I respect your perspectives on key Nigerian issues. The bold part of your comment is really at the root of most of Nigeria's problems. I remember that Secretary of State Hilary Clinton specifically mentioned lack of meritocracy in Nigeria as one of the root causes of crisis in Nigeria. If you are a Nigerian, you would realize that this problem is so big that if God does not intervene himself, Nigeria will still be dysfunctional even 100 years from today. Am I optimistic? It depends on how the deprived in Nigeria take it. Since I am Igbo, I would speak from an Igbo perspective (keeping it real). It appears as if everything whenever we forcefully raise the issue of federal character and quota system and all other systems which scheme out qualified Igbo from well deserved opportunity in their country, our opponents raise all types of lies against us - Igbos are greedy, this and that. It never occurs to these opponents of meritocracy that Nigeria is not working precisely because of that, which is Clinton's point. I remember katsumoto asking me whether I was sure that Igbos were the most qualified for jobs in Nigeria (as if I cared ). I don't care who rules me for the next 100 years, provided he is among the best Nigeria has and performs his/her job superbly. Can it ever happen in Nigeria, knowing how some people feel about the ethnic background of some of these best qualified Nigerians? We shall see! |
Re: Chinua Achebe - What Nigeria Means To Me by Katsumoto: 5:32pm On Jan 27, 2010 |
Onlytruth: It is either you have a poor grasp of basic grammer or you just want/need to be mischievous. You were alluding that if federal character was removed in Nigeria and that people were chosen for posts on credit, the Igbo would come out on top and that, that was also the reason why Igbos were killed in the 60s. Please see below for OnlyTruth's post and the question I put to him, to which I didn't get a response. Can someone please analyse both comments and ascertain how I implied the above? OnlyTruth, you need to desist from these pathetic attempts at discrediting me and creating confusion. Quote from: Onlytruth on January 17, 2010, 07:04 PM But I bet you will mind if is it an Igboman Grin Anyway on a more serious note, you are being too idealistic. Start by removing quota system and federal character first and allow the most qualified person to get the job. I bet you all other things will fall in line. But in Nigeria, it is not possible. Once you advocate that, it would end up in "iboman is too greedy". Somehow, cries of domination will start ringing out and hatred will start brewing. That is what led to the massacres in the north in the 1950s and 60s. That is where we have been and we have never moved an inch past that. That is part of why Jonathan is not acting president today. Katsumoto's response to the above post. Are you insinuating that the Igbo man will turn out to be the most qualified in most spheres of society? |
Re: Chinua Achebe - What Nigeria Means To Me by Onlytruth(m): 5:47pm On Jan 27, 2010 |
RichyBlacK: @Bro Richy I wasn't really attacking him, I was responding forcefully to some of his manoeuvrings. Believe me I think through every post before clicking the post button, and whenever I felt remorse, I often went back to make some changes. I really feel that we should be real. Like you (and I guess most educated Nigerians too) I have mixed up with almost every group in Nigeria. I was born and grew up in the east (from primary to university). I had two best friends at the University of Nigeria (UNN) and one of them is Yoruba from Abeokuta, Ogun state, the other from Akwa Ibom state. I did my youth service in Yorubaland. I have also dated Yoruba babes in the past too and my spiritual mentor is a Yoruba man Dr Olukoya. I had to give that background to demonstrate that I have respect for Yoruba people and have mixed up with them a lot. Having said that, I am also determined to learn about Nigeria in real ways (not in Utopian visions). I have had friends, relations, and associates schemed out of employment unfairly by Yoruba folks too, and some of them never lived to tell the story. This happened both in government jobs and private companies like oil companies. Unfortunately, some of these bad experiences are snowballed into real bad feelings when one sees some Yoruba folks here denying that a wrong was perpetrated against Igbos both during and after the war. That denial and even gleeful comments from Yorubas here make the healing impossible and sets the stage for a future repeat. Now, am I saying that the words of a few Yourbas here represent the entire view from Yorubaland? Absolutely not. But, we are in an internet age. Those words should never go unchallenged, else they are accepted as truth -by the whole world. I grew up believing in Nigeria, but started questioning Nigeria when I became a full adult, when I started seeing that simple things weren't (and still aren't) working in Nigeria, and can clearly see why. When I started to study it, I found out that all the root causes of the problem actually led back to the Biafran war. Like you noted, it was not being taught in schools and simply swept under the carpet. I would like to be a political servant in Nigeria soon (I'm working on it), but how can I make a difference to the lives of my people if I have no clue about the real issues they faced? Nairaland has been very helpful in that regard and I'm now getting to the end of my "education" here. I came here believing in Biafra, but after my lessons here, I now believe that Nigeria will serve the interest of my people best. Knowing Nigeria's past (history has a way of repeating itself), I would advise my people to work towards making sure that Nigeria is INDIVISIBLE, oil or no oil. When oil finishes, I want to ensure that no section of this country opts out. That is my mission going forward. Much love my brother Richyblack. |
Re: Chinua Achebe - What Nigeria Means To Me by LAFOCUZY: 5:47pm On Jan 27, 2010 |
Katsumoto: Thanks Katsumoto, I used the spell check, in the output, i actually meant okitipupa. I apologise. Please kool kool temper, its only a mistake. I have no reason to misspell or do anythin insulting of your ethnic inclination. Again, my apologise |
Re: Chinua Achebe - What Nigeria Means To Me by Onlytruth(m): 6:00pm On Jan 27, 2010 |
Katsumoto: @Katsumoto You complain of insults but you thrive in it! What a duplicitous character! You conveniently left out the response I gave to the bolded part. Why not post that too? Are you afraid it would enervate your point? You were one of the biggest lessons from nairaland. You simply confirmed a stereotype. You act as if you are sincere, but always any close observer would see past that fake polish. You are sly. That's all. You earlier alluded that my gender was unclear to you, but I would take that as a compliment. After all, here in the states, it is the preferred way of making your point. One should not be able to discern the gender of a poster because it should be a human point, not a man or woman point. Like I told my brother Richy, I have learned all I needed to learn from nairaland thanks to folks like you. You will see less of me going forward. |
Re: Chinua Achebe - What Nigeria Means To Me by LAFOCUZY: 6:05pm On Jan 27, 2010 |
How would anybody want this to happen again. Take a look at this link and you will realize that whereever is your perspective of argument on this issue- given current arm situation in Nigeria today, massive unemployed youths, level of exposure, information on bomb making, commerce and economic dimension to war etc- this may be more bloody on both sides of the divide especially to some people who may not have the means to get out; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3ReFoFp0Gs |
Re: Chinua Achebe - What Nigeria Means To Me by LAFOCUZY: 6:08pm On Jan 27, 2010 |
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