OLAADEGBU:


All you need to do is to take the Jewish Scriptures, the Torah and see whether the books contained in them differ from the authorised version of the Bible. You will see for yourself that they don't contain the apocrypha books that are present in the Roman Catholic Bibles.

easymancfc:


Like it has been pointed out.. the Jews rejected the Christian Canon because it was written in Greek and hence rejected the Greek writings in the Septuagint, which has been used since before and during Jesus time...

The Jewish scriptures you have today doesn't contain those books as well as the new testament because of hatred for Christians

OLAADEGBU:


You are missing the point. I said the Jewish Scriptures are the same with what we have in the 39 books of the OT of the Bible and that you cannot find a single book of the apocrypha therein. The 27 books in the New Testament has its own separate Canon and God was orchestrated it all not the Roman Catholic.

easymancfc:


the Jews created the Septuagint which contained the deuterocanon and used it up until the Church adopted it... they rejected it because of the Christians... Just like they rejected every new testament book..
You are using the canon of those who killed Jesus, persecuted Christians and rejected Christianity...

P.s. God used the catholic church to Determine the canon of the new testament

OLAADEGBU:


Can you tell us why you object?

OLAADEGBU:


The Jewish Canon is different from the NT Canon but they are all compiled by the author of the Bible, the Holy Spirit.

emmanuel1990:


as a pastor i have taken my time to read all of the books, and i can tell u that they contradict each other.

easymancfc:


Did the Holy Spirit tell the Jews to reject the New testament too out of hatred for Christians??
The Jews translated their scriptures into Greek (Septuagint) and that contained the deuterocanon..

OLAADEGBU:


You keep repeating the same error that has been drilled into you. The OT saints recognised the God-breathed words as soon as they were spoken or written and then kept them in the Ark of the Covenant. They did not have to wait for the Vatican to come and tell them that it was the Word of God. God did not reveal His Word again after the last OT writer had penned down the last book in the OT. There was a period of 400 silent years called the dark ages when God did not speak to His people until the first book of the NT was written. The OT saints by then were no more. The Apocrypha got written during the dark ages when God ceased to speak to His people and that is what you Roman Catholics erroneously call the inspired Word of God.

OLAADEGBU:


You are yet to prove that the books you quoted above are part of the apocrypha.

petra1:



http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/apo/jasher/index.htm


http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/apo/index.htm

OLAADEGBU:


How does the link above prove that those books are part of the apocrypha?

OLAADEGBU:


Do you mean all the books of the apocrypha?

easymancfc:


My dear you are the one repeating error that has been drilled into you...

1. It was only the stone tablets that contains the ten commandments that was put into the ark (see Hebrews 9:4).. not the entire old testament.. There was no book of Genesis, Exodus etc not to talk about Malachi at the Time of the ark of the covenant before and after it was lost... The old testament was still being written.. so how can it contain the 39 book old testament.. the ark was made in the time of Moses and everything was put into it then.. (see ex 25)... THAT IS A LIE YOU PEOPLE TOLD YOURSELVES..

easymancfc:


secondly The Deuterocanon.. was part of the translation made by the "seventy" Jewish elders in the Septuagint which Jesus and the apostles read... The Church just took what the Jews used historically...

We call them scriptures because according to the Jews who translated the Hebrew scriptures in Greek which the Jews used for hundreds of years called them so... So if God allowed for them to be called scriptures for hundreds of years and Jesus and the apostles read from them and even made references and allusions to them then It is accurate to call them part of the old testament

emmanuel1990:


nt all, bt most of them, do u want mr to prove that to u？

OLAADEGBU:


Please do.

ysyowel:


the books are good for reading but are never part of the CANON and Jesus Christ never quoted from them

ysyowel:


Jesus quoted from Torah (Gen, Exo, Lev, Num & Deut) he quoted from Genesis when he said "before Abraham was I AM" He quoted from Psalms and the Prophets but NOT from any of the books of Apocrypha

emmanuel1990:


ok here we go, i am going to explain one first, the book of judith contradict the book ok jeremiah. according to the book of judith, the king of babylon and his his captain came to attack the people of israel, bt the people of isreal trough the wisdom of judith went and beheaded the captain of king nebuchadnezer, and that was how the israelite won that battle, and it still went futher to say that babylonian army did nt attack israel again all the days of judith..... bt the book of jeremiah said that nebuchadnezer and his army burnt the city with fire and carried some people as slaves, including daniel, so which one do we believe nw？

OLAADEGBU:


This is shows the reason why the book of Judith cannot be regarded to be part of the Jewish Scriptures. If this is what you mean that it contradicts the Bible then we are on the same page.

Tampinu:


Bel and the Dragon 1 [Commentary] Biblical Art and Illustrations
1. And king Astyages was gathered to his fathers, and Cyrus of Persia received his kingdom.
2. And Daniel conversed with the king, and was honoured above all his friends.
3. Now the Babylons had an idol, called Bel, and there were spent upon him every day twelve great measures of fine flour, and forty sheep, and six vessels of wine.
4. And the king worshipped it and went daily to adore it: but Daniel worshipped his own God. And the king said unto him, Why dost not thou worship Bel?
5. Who answered and said, Because I may not worship idols made with hands, but the living God, who hath created the heaven and the earth, and hath sovereignty over all flesh.
6. Then said the king unto him, Thinkest thou not that Bel is a living God? seest thou not how much he eateth and drinketh every day?
7. Then Daniel smiled, and said, O king, be not deceived: for this is but clay within, and brass without, and did never eat or drink any thing.
8. So the king was wroth, and called for his priests, and said unto them, If ye tell me not who this is that devoureth these expences, ye shall die.
9. But if ye can certify me that Bel devoureth them, then Daniel shall die: for he hath spoken blasphemy against Bel. And Daniel said unto the king, Let it be according to thy word.
10. Now the priests of Bel were threescore and ten, beside their wives and children. And the king went with Daniel into the temple of Bel.
11. So Bel's priests said, Lo, we go out: but thou, O king, set on the meat, and make ready the wine, and shut the door fast and seal it with thine own signet;
12. And to morrow when thou comest in, if thou findest not that Bel hath eaten up all, we will suffer death: or else Daniel, that speaketh falsely against us.
13. And they little regarded it: for under the table they had made a privy entrance, whereby they entered in continually, and consumed those things.
14. So when they were gone forth, the king set meats before Bel. Now Daniel had commanded his servants to bring ashes, and those they strewed throughout all the temple in the presence of the king alone: then went they out, and shut the door, and sealed it with the king's signet, and so departed.
15. Now in the night came the priests with their wives and children, as they were wont to do, and did eat and drinck up all.
16. In the morning betime the king arose, and Daniel with him.
17. And the king said, Daniel, are the seals whole? And he said, Yea, O king, they be whole.
18. And as soon as he had opened the dour, the king looked upon the table, and cried with a loud voice, Great art thou, O Bel, and with thee is no deceit at all.
19. Then laughed Daniel, and held the king that he should not go in, and said, Behold now the pavement, and mark well whose footsteps are these.
20. And the king said, I see the footsteps of men, women, and children. And then the king was angry,
21. And took the priests with their wives and children, who shewed him the privy doors, where they came in, and consumed such things as were upon the table.
22. Therefore the king slew them, and delivered Bel into Daniel's power, who destroyed him and his temple.
23. And in that same place there was a great dragon, which they of Babylon worshipped.
24. And the king said unto Daniel, Wilt thou also say that this is of brass? lo, he liveth, he eateth and drinketh; thou canst not say that he is no living god: therefore worship him.
25. Then said Daniel unto the king, I will worship the Lord my God: for he is the living God.
26. But give me leave, O king, and I shall slay this dragon without sword or staff. The king said, I give thee leave.
27. Then Daniel took pitch, and fat, and hair, and did seethe them together, and made lumps thereof: this he put in the dragon's mouth, and so the dragon burst in sunder : and Daniel said, Lo, these are the gods ye worship.
28. When they of Babylon heard that, they took great indignation, and conspired against the king, saying, The king is become a Jew, and he hath destroyed Bel, he hath slain the dragon, and put the priests to death.
29. So they came to the king, and said, Deliver us Daniel, or else we will destroy thee and thine house.
30. Now when the king saw that they pressed him sore, being constrained, he delivered Daniel unto them:
31. Who cast him into the lions' den: where he was six days.
32. And in the den there were seven lions, and they had given them every day two carcases, and two sheep: which then were not given to them, to the intent they might devour Daniel.
33. Now there was in Jewry a prophet, called Habbacuc, who had made pottage, and had broken bread in a bowl, and was going into the field, for to bring it to the reapers.
34. But the angel of the Lord said unto Habbacuc, Go, carry the dinner that thou hast into Babylon unto Daniel, who is in the lions' den.
35. And Habbacuc said, Lord, I never saw Babylon; neither do I know where the den is.
36. Then the angel of the Lord took him by the crown, and bare him by the hair of his head, and through the vehemency of his spirit set him in Babylon over the den.
37. And Habbacuc cried, saying, O Daniel, Daniel, take the dinner which God hath sent thee.
38. And Daniel said, Thou hast remembered me, O God: neither hast thou forsaken them that seek thee and love thee.
39. So Daniel arose, and did eat: and the angel of the Lord set Habbacuc in his own place again immediately.
40. Upon the seventh day the king went to bewail Daniel: and when he came to the den, he looked in, and behold, Daniel was sitting.
41. Then cried the king with a loud voice, saying, Great art Lord God of Daniel, and there is none other beside thee.
42. And he drew him out, and cast those that were the cause of his destruction into the den: and they were devoured in a moment before his face. .

emmanuel1990:
when i say contradict the bible, i mean the bible that does nt have those added books, another example, the book of daniel contradict the book of bell and dragon, according to the book of daniel, he was trown into the lions den, because he prayed to his god when the king said that no one should pray to any other being, apart to the king.......and he only spent a night there.....bt tje book of bell said that he was in the lions den for seven days and seven night, even an angel had to carry prophet habbakuk from judah to go and give him food.

OLAADEGBU:


You are missing the point. I said the Jewish Scriptures are the same with what we have in the 39 books of the OT of the Bible and that you cannot find a single book of the apocrypha therein. The 27 books in the New Testament has its own separate Canon and God was the One who orchestrated it all not the Roman Catholic.

budaatum:


The Apocrypha was in the King James Version. However, as to how it was viewed and removed, see
Why the Apocrypha Isn't in the Bible.

OLAADEGBU:


Say it in your own words here.

OLAADEGBU:


I didn't even bother to read your lengthy post until someone quoted you a few minutes ago. If you had read the link in the OP you would have saved yourself from all this necessary pain. Read the excerpts below and tell us why it is not true.



I hope the above excerpt helps to answer your question.

OLAADEGBU:


Please enlighten him.

easymancfc:


the Jews created the Septuagint which contained the deuterocanon and used it up until the Church adopted it... they rejected it because of the Christians... Just like they rejected every new testament book..
You are using the canon of those who killed Jesus, persecuted Christians and rejected Christianity...

P.s. God used the catholic church to Determine the canon of the new testament

budaatum:


And twist it so I can lie and deceive people? Don't tempt me!

OLAADEGBU:


If Moses wrote the Pentateuch why will he only keep the decalogue in the Ark? When did the Ark get lost? Moses and Ezra compiled the OT and not the Vatican.



The Septuagint was a translation of the Jewish Scriptures into Greek during the 3rd century B.C. but the Apocrypha, placed at the end was only dated in the 5th century and therefore cannot be relied upon to inform us what was in common use 500 years earlier.

What matters to me is that neither Jesus nor His apostles ever quoted from the Apocrypha even though they were using the Greek Septuagint. Even Josephus who was familiar with the Septuagint never considered the Apocrypha to be part of the inspired Word of God.

Tampinu:


My post may be lenghty but that is because I would rather go the long way to get to the truth than take a crooked short cut to achieve my goal, and alsso because the Bible is lengthy too. I guess it's because God has a lot to say and repeat to children of men. I digress.

What's wrong in giving alms to the needy?

OLAADEGBU:


Giving alms is alright but it does not bring about the forgiveness of sins as claimed by the apocryphal book.