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Re: Edo Colonized Yorubaland Not Vice Versa. by Nobody: 3:37am On Feb 14, 2011 |
nolongtin:Very insightful.benin was a vassal state to the yoruba empire which was why oranmiyan wa sent there in the first instance to resolv the chieftancy crisis following the collapse of the ogiso dynasty.the word ''oba'' has no link with benin language. |
Re: Edo Colonized Yorubaland Not Vice Versa. by excanny: 9:49am On Feb 14, 2011 |
Yoruba people and their attempt to always claim Edo and Delta state. hehehe. I dey laugh o. |
Re: Edo Colonized Yorubaland Not Vice Versa. by honeric01(m): 11:12am On Feb 14, 2011 |
^^^ See someone posting a newspaper report as evidence lol, People sha! |
Re: Edo Colonized Yorubaland Not Vice Versa. by nolongtin(m): 11:21am On Feb 14, 2011 |
wot else could have been an evidence?its not just a newspaper evidence its a lecture giving by the oni of ife,the cradle of the the yoruba race, |
Re: Edo Colonized Yorubaland Not Vice Versa. by PhysicsMHD(m): 9:00pm On Feb 14, 2011 |
The word "Oba" has no link with the Benin language? Are they going to claim every shared wordcan only be found among Yorubas now? How can you claim what does and does not have a link to the Benin language when you don't have an idea of the sound and character of all of the Benin language? If anyone thinks Yoruba was the official language in the Benin palace this debate is almost not worth having. A Benin palace that where Yoruba is the official language but where virtually every title, group, and object is given an Edo name? If anyone thinks the heads of the Benin kings were buried in Ife because of another later alteration of his own story by Egharevba, I also have to wonder whether it's worth discussing this. The heads and bodies of the kings of Benin were buried whole, not with the sovereign's head decapitated, in Benin, and worship shrines were set up nearby. Also, upon the death of a king, subjects willingly died with him and viewed it as an honor to do so. I will post a specific quote with regard to this later. This nonsense about the dead Oba being decapitated and having his head sent elsewhere is a complete fable. Also, does the Oni of Ife know that Egharevba said Oduduwa was not Yoruba? Ife was a religious state and the Oni of Ife was not an overlord of Benin. The Pope in Europe played a part in crowning the sovereigns of Catholic states in Europe and legitimizing their reign. Does that mean that every Catholic European kingdom that ever existed was a vassal state of the Vatican? I'll be back with a quote which precedes Samuel Johnson's 1897/1921 History of the Yorubas and precedes P. Amaury Talbot's claims about the perceived connection between Benin and its neighbors that I'm pretty sure all these people were completely oblivious to. In 1863, Benin had an extremely different opinion of the Benin+Yoruba connection that matches up with the version advocated by Oba Erediauwa. The I have a lot of respect for Egharevba, but the truth is that he glossed over some things and made mistakes. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Edo Colonized Yorubaland Not Vice Versa. by ezeagu(m): 10:55pm On Feb 14, 2011 |
Doesn't 'Oba' mean red in Edo. The Yoruba influence in Benin seems to be limited to religion. |
Re: Edo Colonized Yorubaland Not Vice Versa. by PhysicsMHD(m): 11:07pm On Feb 14, 2011 |
ezeagu: Yeah, it not only means king, it also means a shiny kind of red. That's why I laugh at somebody telling me what words the Edo language can and cannot have when he doesn't have the slightest idea of sounds and words in the language. The Yoruba influence was also artistic, apparently. |
Re: Edo Colonized Yorubaland Not Vice Versa. by ezeagu(m): 11:38pm On Feb 14, 2011 |
PhysicsMHD: Oh, in what areas? |
Re: Edo Colonized Yorubaland Not Vice Versa. by PhysicsMHD(m): 11:56pm On Feb 14, 2011 |
ezeagu: Terracotta heads. |
Re: Edo Colonized Yorubaland Not Vice Versa. by PhysicsMHD(m): 12:43am On Feb 15, 2011 |
I'm still astounded at this claim of the Edaiken and his brothers sitting back and letting the head of their father be hacked off instead of burying him in dignity. What palace chiefs were responsible for this supposed hacking off of the Oba of Benin's head and packaging it to be sent to Ife? Name them. Or do the people who propagate Egharevba's fairytale of every third Oba's head being sent to Ife, not know that there were three specific groups of palace chiefs responsible for the upkeep of the Oba, his harem, and the palace itself? So who did the hacking? Who was the messenger (head carrier)? The Binis don't know, the Yorubas don't know, yet the Oni of Ife swears by Egharevba's fable. http://books.google.com/books?id=QlW3ZMxrCKMC&pg=PA148&lpg=PA148&dq=1888+head+oba+benin+ife&source=bl&ots=B_8gZ4Eg2Z&sig=Xg9w8jOT1WTlPiQ4zmzVbnxbBEo&hl=en&ei=urhZTfSPHtSltwef57z2DA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=1888%20head%20oba%20benin%20ife&f=false ^^^^^ The claim is just bizarre. "Ramusio, c. I540, said that "all are anxious for the honor" to be buried with the Oba, as this was an "ancient custom" in Benin." Source: John W. Blake, Europeans in West Africa, 1450-1560, London, 1942. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Edo Colonized Yorubaland Not Vice Versa. by fstranger3(m): 12:48am On Feb 15, 2011 |
PhysicsMHD: I am happy you acknowledged that, else I'd have bombarded this thread with video evidences |
Re: Edo Colonized Yorubaland Not Vice Versa. by fstranger3(m): 12:50am On Feb 15, 2011 |
ezeagu: Did you get the answer you expected? Anyway, how much progress have you made in your bid to claim Mukina and her people? |
Re: Edo Colonized Yorubaland Not Vice Versa. by PhysicsMHD(m): 1:14am On Feb 15, 2011 |
fstranger3: Lol, video evidence? Pictures, you mean. Anyways, I have never denied the religious and artistic links between Yorubas and Benin (which went both ways, as the Owo and Ijebu bronzes show). |
Re: Edo Colonized Yorubaland Not Vice Versa. by ezeagu(m): 3:14am On Feb 15, 2011 |
fstranger3: The thing that is worrying you, let it continue to worry you. Iseeee!!!! |
Re: Edo Colonized Yorubaland Not Vice Versa. by fstranger3(m): 3:18am On Feb 15, 2011 |
ezeagu: At least, you are not trying to claim someone on this thread. I am happy PhysicsMSTP gave you a quick smack-down because before you know it, you'd start claiming Edo people as Ibo. PS: Ever wonder why no oone wants to associate with you and your people? |
Re: Edo Colonized Yorubaland Not Vice Versa. by ezeagu(m): 3:23am On Feb 15, 2011 |
fstranger3: The thing that is making you bang your head against the wall, let it continue to make you bang your head against the wall. Iseeee!!!! |
Re: Edo Colonized Yorubaland Not Vice Versa. by fstranger3(m): 3:26am On Feb 15, 2011 |
ezeagu: Right back at you! PS: Please, Biko, to ri Olorun, stop claiming people ok. That is how some people started and before you could say 'claim', they ended up as kidnappers. You dont want to end up like that, do you? |
Re: Edo Colonized Yorubaland Not Vice Versa. by aljharem11(m): 3:30am On Feb 15, 2011 |
fstranger oooooo |
Re: Edo Colonized Yorubaland Not Vice Versa. by ezeagu(m): 3:43am On Feb 15, 2011 |
Frustration. |
Re: Edo Colonized Yorubaland Not Vice Versa. by fstranger3(m): 3:46am On Feb 15, 2011 |
^^^^ 1800, no exact dat? What;s his Ibo name? keep fooling yourself |
Re: Edo Colonized Yorubaland Not Vice Versa. by fstranger3(m): 3:47am On Feb 15, 2011 |
ezeagu: OMG I should have quoted you. . . you are really pathetic I think you are going crazy! |
Re: Edo Colonized Yorubaland Not Vice Versa. by amazonia(m): 5:35am On Feb 15, 2011 |
ezeagu: Ezeagu, you surprise me oo, so you know Bini that good? |
Re: Edo Colonized Yorubaland Not Vice Versa. by EzeUche2(m): 7:14am On Feb 15, 2011 |
Darn these Yorubas. No wonder the Bini people wanted the Mid-West region to be created out of fear of Yoruba domination. |
Re: Edo Colonized Yorubaland Not Vice Versa. by amor4ce(m): 8:11am On Feb 15, 2011 |
@poster, do you mean that the Edo people colonized all Yoruba nations, even the Oyo Kingdom? Haba! Do you mean that the Edo colonized the Ijebu as well? Do you even know the history of the Ijebu people who can even trace their history to migration from the Sudan/Ethiopia axis? Do you know that scientists who have been including samples of Yoruba DNA to trace the history of mankind and the neanderthals and denisovans have demonstrated the migration of Yoruba people across the desert and the acquisition of adaptations/mutations in the process? Do the Edo people even know the origin of the ogiso, even how they (people and ogiso) got to their present abode? What is the pre-Oba history of the Edo people? My advice, don't live on or be delusional about what may be past glory. Live in the now. |
Re: Edo Colonized Yorubaland Not Vice Versa. by Nobody: 11:03am On Feb 15, 2011 |
the question i would continue to ask the binis is who the real father of oba eweka is. |
Re: Edo Colonized Yorubaland Not Vice Versa. by amazonia(m): 11:18am On Feb 15, 2011 |
A look at the word OBA in Edo. Ba--- in Edo light is what "ba", that is to shine. To luminate, to show the way. so it is an illumination. Oba--- The light. The luminate. The way. The leader. Oba---- color---Red. oba--(adjective)---To indicate someone is "on". He/she has arrived. Baba----- light shine. light show the way. Leader lead.[father] mama----good(good)--Goodness. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Edo Colonized Yorubaland Not Vice Versa. by amazonia(m): 11:35am On Feb 15, 2011 |
Baba---------- father |
Re: Edo Colonized Yorubaland Not Vice Versa. by amazonia(m): 11:47am On Feb 15, 2011 |
A look at EWEKA in Edo. Ka----------- DRY---- e we ka-----will never be dry---continous patency---regeneration. Ka--------- talk (confess,counting)----- e we ka---- will not talk. |
Re: Edo Colonized Yorubaland Not Vice Versa. by Nobody: 11:50am On Feb 15, 2011 |
and who's oranimiyan ? |
Re: Edo Colonized Yorubaland Not Vice Versa. by amazonia(m): 12:06pm On Feb 15, 2011 |
~Bluetooth: I think, He is a son of Oduduwa. position, iam not quite sure. The father of Oba Eweka. (i'm not historian). Just a curious investigator. |
Re: Edo Colonized Yorubaland Not Vice Versa. by bokohalal(m): 8:53pm On Feb 15, 2011 |
Omonoyan(Oranmiyan)was the son of Izoduwa(Oduduwa) who was the son of an Ogiso(sky chief)of Igodomigodo(Benin kingdom). |
Re: Edo Colonized Yorubaland Not Vice Versa. by ezeagu(m): 9:28pm On Feb 15, 2011 |
PhysicsMHD: But do you believe that "Edo colonized Yorubaland"? |
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