ShaheedBinAliyu:
Who be athariyyah o. . mi o gbo ri

# Kinni wo gbo ri laye gann bayi o?! You are a stark undiluted illiterate. Se iwo ti o ti e ma oruko "sahih Bukhari" lo fe ma kilo nje Athariyyah?!

# O da, SALAFIYYAH ni o nje be o.

AlBaqir:


# Kinni wo gbo ri laye gann bayi o?! You are a stark undiluted illiterate. Se iwo ti o ti e ma oruko "sahih Bukhari" lo fe ma kilo nje Athariyyah?!

# O da, SALAFIYYAH ni o nje be o.

We have been telling you he's not a salafi, you're still adamant. See how he doesn't even have an idea about "athariyyah"

ShaheedBinAliyu:
Who be athariyyah o. . mi o gbo ri

It Is the aqeedah of Imam Hanbali, Shaykh Sayyidina Abdul Qadir jilani, Ibn Taymiyah, and majority of salafi are of "athariyyah" aqeeda

Olodo ni e

Empiree:
It Is the aqeedah of Imam Hanbali, Shaykh Sayyidina Abdul Qadir jilani, Ibn Taymiyah, and majority of salafi are of "athariyyah" aqeeda

Olodo ni e

If he doesn't know the meaning of small "athariyyah", why do you guys now brand him a "salafi"? Why?!!!!

Demmzy15:
If he doesn't know the meaning of small "athariyyah", why do you guys now brand him a "salafi"? Why?!!!!

Even though the phrase was around for a very long time, he is not obligated to know the word "athariyyah" bcus it is not in the Qur'an and sunnah. It is innovated word used to describe those who subscribe to strict textualism in interpreting the Quran and sunnah. There are those who adhere to salafi manhaj but may not know some of the salafi terms. Same applies to others

Well. . mi o gbori . . salafs manhaj and aqeedah is same as rasul @ albaqir . . and the other name u said sahih bukhari bears aint my c0ncern but what is in it . . @empiree if you are not talking business about saudi and u.s.a ties. . .then what is it

Empiree:
Even though the phrase was around for a very long time, he is not obligated to know the word "athariyyah" bcus it is not in the Qur'an and sunnah. It is innovated word used to describe those who subscribe to strict textualism in interpreting the Quran and sunnah. There are those who adhere to salafi manhaj but may not know some of the salafi terms. Same applies to others

how on earth does an adherent of Salafiyyah be ignorant of the term "athari"?

Demmzy15:
how on earth does an adherent of Salafiyyah be ignorant of the term "athari"?

Is it a must for a salafi to say "I follow athari creed"?.

Empiree:
Is it a must for a salafi to say "I follow athari creed"?.

I never said so, but why won't you know the meaning of "athar"?

Demmzy15:
I never said so, but why won't you know the meaning of "athar"?

You are too much. Why are you dwelling on this?. Just like some who adhere to Asharites school, but have no idea what is Ashariyyah or who is Imam Abu al-Hasan al-Ash'ari . Myself didnt know all these terms: Athari, Ashari, Maturidi, sufi, salafi etc until 10yrs ago.

The only ones i knew besides just Islam and muslim for first time in 1998 were "SuShi" i:e sunni and shia. However, i would expect the guy to know "Athariyyah" due to his zeal. This goes to show you that he only learned keu under Jabata

Empiree:
However, i would expect the guy to know "Athariyyah" due to his zeal. This goes to show you that he only leaned kewu abe ile under Jabata

That's exactly what Demmzy15 is saying.

ShaheedBinAliyu:
salafs manhaj and aqeedah is same as rasul

# So you mean Nabi was Athariyyah, Salafiyyah? The onus is now on your shoulder to prove it to us.

AlBaqir:


# So you mean Nabi was Athariyyah, Salafiyyah? The onus is now on your shoulder to prove it to us.

QURAN AND HADITH

I have never hear any lecturer said it. .i d0nt further in my arabic studies. . m0st thing i kn0w is jabata, abu ibeji and other salafs . . @Demmzy15 ..who are referred to as firqotun najiya and ahlu azhar?

ShaheedBinAliyu:
QURAN AND HADITH

ShaheedBinAliyu:
Salafs only follow quran and hadith . . rasul follows ALLAH and we follow rasul and ALLAH.

# So, if truly you follow Allah and His Rasul, why do you decline to follow Hadith Thaqalain, Hadith Khalifatain?

AlBaqir:




# So, if truly you follow Allah and His Rasul, why do you decline to follow Hadith Thaqalain, Hadith Khalifatain?

You've started again o

Enough of this keyboard argument please. Anybody that's ready for a debate should just say so let me arrange it. Like AlBaqir I can organise a debate between you and a sunny brother. Let him defend sunning while you defend Shiism simple. The same goes for experience. I can organise a debate between you and a sunny you come and defend qadariyya while the brothers defends sunn for sure.

Kaytixy:
Enough of this keyboard argument please. Anybody that's ready for a debate should just say so let me arrange it. Like AlBaqir I can organise a debate between you and a sunny brother. Let him defend sunning while you defend Shiism simple. The same goes for experience. I can organise a debate between you and a sunny you come and defend qadariyya while the brothers defends sunn for sure.

DEBATE IS FORBIDEEN AMONG A SUNNI AND AHLU BIDA

ShaheedBinAliyu:
DEBATE IS FORBIDEEN AMONG A SUNNI AND AHLU BIDA

# Who forbid it, Jabata?

* How is debate forbidden when Qur'an call for debate, dialogue and discussion between Nabi (and the Muslims) vs Kuffar (Christian, Jew, Polytheists, etc)? Qur'an even instruct us on rules and regulations of debate.

* Who do you follow - Qur'an and Nabi or Nasibi Jabata?

AlBaqir:


# Who forbid it, Jabata?

* How is debate forbidden when Qur'an call for debate, dialogue and discussion between Nabi (and the Muslims) vs Kuffar (Christian, Jew, Polytheists, etc)? Qur'an even instruct us on rules and regulations of debate.

* Who do you follow - Qur'an and Nabi or Nasibi Jabata?

TSHEW. Am done explaining things to u....

ShaheedBinAliyu:
DEBATE IS FORBIDEEN AMONG A SUNNI AND AHLU BIDA

where is your dalil for this in kitab and sunnah?

Where is your dalil for dividing Muslims between alhu-sunnah and ahlu-bidah?

Empiree:
where is your dalil for this in kitab and sunnah?

Where is your dalil for dividing Muslims between alhu-sunnah and ahlu-bidah?

Like say u count the dalil as s0mething for you. .tsw.. the thousands dalil we have given u.wetin u use am do. . . . tsw

ShaheedBinAliyu:
Like say u count the dalil as s0mething for you. .tsw.. the thousands dalil we have given u.wetin u use am do. . . . tsw

As usual, I was not expecting good answers from your anyways

Debate is not forbidden in Islam

AbdelKabir:


Na'am.... The most obvious of them is Dr Alaro from Ilorin, using the methodology of the hizbiyyeen, we have others like "shaykh" Ajia who is upon the bidah of muwaazana which he took from his shaykh, Muhammad Mukhtaar Ash-shanqeeti(don't mistake him with his father, shaykh Muhammad Ameen Ash-shanqeeti rahimahullaah). Reason why "shaykh" Ajia hates shaykh rabee' so much, for exposing Muhammad mukhtaar Ash-shanqeeti. Shaykh Muhammad yahya An-najmee also warned against him same as shaykh ubayd......

Both Dr Alaro and Shaykh Ajia are upon the Sunnah. May Allah preserve them. Also, we need to be very careful of the things we say regarding misunderstanding between scholars. That Shaykh Ubayd or Shaykh Rabee said so so so about a scholar doesn't mean we should just run with it especially if that scholar is known to be upon the Sunnah. In most cases, you'd even find another Shaykh in that same caliber praising that same Shaykh you've been warned against. Reminds me of how brothers were picking sides when Shaykh Rabee and Shaykh Yahya Al Hajuri had misunderstanding.. I see brothers calling the likes of Shaykh Ali Al Halabi, Yahya Al Hajuri, Abu Ishaq Al Huwayni names. These are SCHOLARS! What most people don't know is that these matters aren't black and white. The best thing to do is to avoid them. Scholars make mistakes and they are not infallible. But to start using terms like hizbee mubtadii etc etc would be us going overboard.

And Allah knows best

And it would appear a lot of brothers these days are more interested in individuals than learning the important things. All I see these days is slander and gossip. Shaykh so so so is this and that. Shaykh this is this. Everyone is now a scholar of Jarh and Ta'deel

As for Jabata, in Shaykh Najmudeen Sulayman 's words, ki olorun ko ba wa to s'ona

AbuHammaad:


Both Dr Alaro and Shaykh Ajia are upon the Sunnah. May Allah preserve them. Also, we need to be very careful of the things we say regarding misunderstanding between scholars. That Shaykh Ubayd or Shaykh Rabee said so so so about a scholar doesn't mean we should just run with it especially if that scholar is known to be upon the Sunnah. In most cases, you'd even find another Shaykh in that same caliber praising that same Shaykh you've been warned against. Reminds me of how brothers were picking sides when Shaykh Rabee and Shaykh Yahya Al Hajuri had misunderstanding.. I see brothers calling the likes of Shaykh Ali Al Halabi, Yahya Al Hajuri, Abu Ishaq Al Huwayni names. These are SCHOLARS! What most people don't know is that these matters aren't black and white. The best thing to do is to avoid them. Scholars make mistakes and they are not infallible. But to start using terms like hizbee mubtadii etc etc would be us going overboard.

And Allah knows best

Dr Alaro and Ajia are not upon the sunnah, this is something I know very well, I live in Ilorin and I know their kind of da'wah properly, Ajia is the flag bearer of bidia muazzanah in Ilorin which he got from his teacher Mukhtaar shinqeetee.......Dr Alaro was met personally by my ustaadh, ustaadh Dawood Abu sumayyah and the other dawood that is known.as "dawood pupa" to call his attention to his erroneous kind of dawah, but was adamant.

Recently Dr Alaro gave his fatwah on tarkus salaah as "an ta'khudhahu ilal masjeed" what we know from the salaf is either he is a Muslim or not, but on deep research we found out that he got this idea from the ikhwaani ghazaliy..

When I was still in university of Ilorin, Dr Alaro had a program and called a well known mubtadi soofiy popular known as "AGAS", and he even talked in the program spreading his soofi da'wah, brother is this how the salafs wealth with people of bidah? Is this the methodology of the salafs? Dr Alaro has so many bidaat he is calling to in Ilorin and only people of Ilorin can testify...

And as for yahya hajooriy, he is a mubtadi' haddadiy, no sides are being taken.here except the side of haqq, brother research very well about the matter to know who he is.

Halabi and Abu ishaaq are no different, and this is the truth I say, and we cannot avoid these issues because we need to be clear on who to take knowledge from and who not to in order to.protect the shabbaab from one whose manhaj has collapsed.

If one was once known for salafiyyag does not mean.he can never become a mubtadi, people only believe so because of their falling short in understanding the manhaj of the salafs....


No such thing as " more interested in.individuals" if the salafs were too lenient with issues that can destroy the deen of Allaah.....perhaps the manhaj would've been so diluted that everyone will be following their desires

Wallaahul musta'aan.

The shaykh Najmideen you mentioned is also against these individuals you talk of.

One needs to adjust to new happenings, salafiyyah is not by blind following and not by mouth...

No one is untouchable, if you innovate and you call to it, you'll be warned against, simple as that.

AbdelKabir:


Na'am.... The most obvious of them is Dr Alaro from Ilorin, using the methodology of the hizbiyyeen, we have others like "shaykh" Ajia who is upon the bidah of muwaazana which he took from his shaykh, Muhammad Mukhtaar Ash-shanqeeti(don't mistake him with his father, shaykh Muhammad Ameen Ash-shanqeeti rahimahullaah). Reason why "shaykh" Ajia hates shaykh rabee' so much, for exposing Muhammad mukhtaar Ash-shanqeeti. Shaykh Muhammad yahya An-najmee also warned against him same as shaykh ubayd......

Are you sure about Dr Alaro?

iamgenius:


Are you sure about Dr Alaro?

As sure as I surely know who my father is....

AbdelKabir:



As sure as I surely know who my father is....

OK bro, JazaakaLlahu Khayran

Lol .the same Shaykh Yahya Al Hajuri that has been granted official permission by the Ministry of Religious Affairs to teach Tafseer ibn Katheer after Fajr and Al Muntaqa of Ibn Al Jaarud after Maghrib in Masjid Taqwa, in Makkah.

That decree was passed by the Minister of Religious affairs As-Sheikh Saleh Aal Al-Shaykh (haafidhahullah)

The same Yahya Al-Hajuri that Shaykh Saalih Al-fawzaan praised. If you mention 5 scholars that have told you not to take knowledge from Ali Al halabi, Yahya Al hajuri and co, I would mention 10 scholars that have spoken in their defense. It's not a black and white

Recently, I was listening to Shaykh Najmdeen Sulayman when someone was telling him about Jabata. The person said the only person Jabata is willing to debate with is Dr. Alaro. Shaykh Najmdeen replied him and said he wouldn't know why Dr. Alaro is the only person Jabata is willing to debate. He said he hasn't met Dr Alaro personally, but he only knows him to be upon good. I don't know where you got your own info from, but I can provide the link when I have time. It's from the "Iwa Awon Salaf" series on Dawahnigeria

Again, I still maintain that both Shaykh Ajia and Dr. Alaro are upon the Sunnah even though they might have made mistakes. Shaykh Al-Albaani used to warn against this attitude. And even in Nigeria, Dr. Gbadebo warns against it all the time. Abu Naasir does the same

When we tell brothers to stay away from these matters, they call us names. This is what folks busy themselves with these days. It's sad

Anyway, this is my last piece regarding this matter.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y42t7_-2aZo


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dy3SALr_Ar0