sukkot:
no flaw in my case. i present spiritual absolutes. but i use carnal scenarios that may not be absolute. but the spirituality are absolutes. this world system runs on CRIME and PUNISHMENT and nothing is COINCIDENTAL. whatever is happening to you is what is meant to happen to you. there are powerful forces that control this reality of ours and they make sure you get what you deserve

Do you know this is highly flawed. Should I show you how?

PeacenLove2:


It's hard to live with anybody else, harder in this clime with all the external pressures but having self-discipline, emotional intelligence can make a big difference and the right attitude to "family". You marry right, marry your friend, marry someone who gets you, knows what makes you tick and how to manage you, go with the right mind set, go with intention for partnership and not domination. Even those women are human beings believe iy, not sub human. Treat them as you would be like to be treated.

oshaosha2014:
You are right. People who did not consult God to help them with their choice of partner too, will come and tell us, "what God has joined together let no man put asunder"

thesuave10:


Do you know this is highly flawed. Should I show you how?

sukkot:
ok first of all, the story of abraham is an allegory. meaning there was no man named abraham. it is a symbolic story. just like how a snake speaking to a woman was a symbolic story

GALATIANS 4 22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. << SO THIS IS THE BIBLE TELLING YOU THE STORY OF ABRAHAM IS AN ALLEGORY. MEANING ITS A SYMBOLIC STORY AND THESE PEOPLE NEVER EXISTED

Sterope:
Like a man who is not financially responsible but expects his wife to trust in him because he is the head of the family... People and their jokes

I admit I don't understand the word in the context of marriage. I understand that there are times when you go with everything he says but it is beyond comprehension to expect an adult to say ‘yes' to everything and be comfortable with someone else having his way all the time. I may understand submission in a business relationship but marriage with all its familiarity...Nope.

I might actually understand it the day my parents and I stop disagreeing.

thesuave10:

[s]Now first of all. Even though Miranda is a feminist she understands that women should be submissive cuz she said it her self and yh about her failed marriage with Orlando bloom? We can see she has learnt from it that is wives should be submissive to their husbands. You clearly are very stupid submission doesn't mean treating a woman like trash you ignorant asshóle . once again another daft statement her money ,her fame or whatever she has is not the point of reference but her mindset. I used her because she is some what popular. If I had used bimbola from my village would you know her? Don't be an imbécile . her mindset is the case here. She has realised despite being a feminist that women should be submissive. Oh and by the way feminism doesn't mean you should be a total îdiot .
Don't be a fool up to 800 times in the same comment . for him to say "trust his decisions" the stupid woman must have been challenging and questioning him at every given opportunity you worthless scumbag . Y'all should submit your sorry asses or get ejected like a worthless rag. And the white men black men thing. You're ignorant of a lot of things[/s]

selflessmaya:

bish bye.

Gwaihir:


True.

That last line, Gbayi! It does not even have to be total change but a compromise.

sukkot:
well affliction is punishment. both of them are earned and deserved.

Gwaihir:


Perhaps subsmissive is a wrong word, compromise is the right word.

supersystemsnig:




Sterope, this is not what we mean by submission. This is something else


Submission implies trust.

It implies safety, i.e am i safe in your hands.

It implies reliability. It implies even when i make the right call,will you give me time to turn the page over.

Submission doesn't imply blind leadership.

At times, you may play a role in decisions, or rather many times... But will you let me take the lead? Will you allow me lead?


Can my authority be trusted without been second guessed at each turning?

It means i know the way, trust and follow me, trust my judgements, but doesn't mean you don't have a voice or can't help me when i make wrong calls


If we shout at each other, because we consider ourselves equals, it means two separate will exists in the family hence ship wreck, just my two cents ma...

majekdom2:
Abaraham never existed ... really, then isaac never did, neither did the isrealites and ofcourse Jesus and if Jesus never did, Then God does not exist. yo are a big IGNORAMUS. the allrgory/figurative word you see there is for the latter i.e freewoman and bondwoman..... there was not anything like freewoman or bondwoman but rather figuratively used to credit the Israelites as being free.you lack wisdom. Go and learn it well.

supersystemsnig:


Yes, my final take. Conflict in relationships, if we take a close look at it, its actually nothing... I.e. both parties had different upbringings and values and grew up differently and this is the origin of most fights, people don't want to leave their ideologies derived from their roots, if one can easily pickup and drop things they picked up in the past and are circumcised of the heart, i.e. willing to accommodate changes, make modifications and learn new character along the way, if people approach relationships with this mindset they won't be divorce, people are fixated with their perceptions and notions and they cherish these things more than the benefits relationship can offer....but the end is always heart ache...we'll been around, we heard from our fathers, we know, the end of all this prideful knowledge is pain and heart ache.....

Gwaihir:


Baba no twist my head abeg

Affliction will make you wise, punishment na no return oh and it's done once not a continuous thing like affliction.

Sterope:
Sorry, parents say the same thing but at the end of the day, it is me and my life.


Your authority can and will be questioned. You are not God. I secondguess myself. I secondguess my parents and I will definitely secondguess my husband where he acts without due consideration. What type of wife would I be if cannot secondguess him on certain issues? He is not perfect, that is why he has me and that is why I have him.

Criticism is good if it is constructive not destructive. Shouting at him is destructive. I don't intend to do that.

thesuave10:


That is your problem. Saying yes to everything is now foolishness. There's a balance and flow to the whole thing.

Sterope:
Like a man who is not financially responsible but expects his wife to trust in him because he is the head of the family... People and their jokes

I admit I don't understand the word in the context of marriage. I understand that there are times when you go with everything he says but it is beyond comprehension to expect an adult to say ‘yes' to everything and be comfortable with someone else having his way all the time. I may understand submission in a business relationship but marriage with all its familiarity...Nope.

I might actually understand it the day my parents and I stop disagreeing.

sukkot:
its the same concept. just different ways of saying the same thing lol. it is meant to correct you. and in the punishment are you afflicted.

Gwaihir:


My nigga! You sabi!!

ibkayee:

Exactly

Yup, I'm against any authoritarian, unilateral, 'yes man' etc style of leadership which is the distorted definition a lot of people seem to have of submission within marriage

Lool

Gwaihir:


Perhaps subsmissive is a wrong word, compromise is the right word.

sukkot:
you have to understand the bible is not a book meant to read literally. all these names are titles and not people. Israelite describes POWER. it is an amalgamation of three egyptian deities ISIS RA EL. those are egyptian deities and the name was joined together at the council of nicea to come up with the title ISRAEL. there was no such thing as israel 600 years ago. this is a name created when the bible was compiled. and there is no such person as Jesus either. its a a title. the letter J was only created 500 years ago. research it. so the name Jesus was created in 1611 when the bible was compiled at the council of nicea. point being these names are concept names created 500 years ago and they are title names. point being the bible is a book not meant to be read literally

supersystemsnig:



If we do too much second guessing we become stuck in our tracks. Hence the need to trust and follow, and whatever the aftermath both parties bear, carefully guaging decisions and consequences and taking low risk decisions.. The truth is knowledge has made relationships difficult...itwas way easier back in the days... Also, not being questioned, but rather correcting in love, working together to maintain harmony, balance and moving forward... these are elements necessary in my own little knowledge for relationships to work.

Gwaihir:


I swear you cracking me up now, you want tell me say those wey dey hell fire na correction dem.dey receive?

selflessmaya:


dude, stfu!!! the problem with african men is y'all want a woman to submit but wont give her reason to let her guard down. white men are not this crazy about submission yet they treat their women as equals ... for your information, miranda kerr was married to orlando bloom, she got divorced and was a single mother. then she married evan spielberg who is 7 yrs younger than her and he is worth $3.3 BILLION .... she has always been an expensive high class call-girl and is a notorious gold-digger, read news of her $8 million jewelry case that was "gifted" to her by a customer, the malaysian billionaire and the other billionaire she tried to finesse... miranda kerr herself is a hard-core feminist, she came to prominence with victoria's secret strutting her stuff on runways dressed in a bra and pant, we have nude editorial pics of her, slay queens haven't even gotten to her slay! level. it's all there on the internet. yet a billionaire overlooked the 7yrs older gap, being a divorcee, past gold-digging hustle life, being a single mother, being photographed in undies for a career and married her... u know why? cos white men dont think like u. a woman is not commodity to them, they see the humanity in them irrespective and they're not looking for a slave to submit to them.

now the problem with black men like u, u want a miranda kerr, right? ... do u have "i can afford miranda kerr money"? no! do u have 'i can overlook a miranda kerr life choices and live with it' capacity? no! do u have a "miranda kerr is not submisive and is an independent woman and i support that" attitude? no! do u have a "this is how a miranda kerr should be treated, miranda is too pretty to touch anything, her hands are delicate and must be massaged not scrubbing floors" mindset? no!.. i find it weird that white men who actually have more to offer, always require less from a woman. you are comparing nigerian women to miranda kerr but u have never compared the husbands of nigerian women to miranda kerr's husband. u just want to hold women to standards u cant keep up with. black men are fond of this nonsense, they're the ones who want to be worshiped but have never given their women anything to submit to, how can i submit to a man when i am picking cotton, with my 2 day old bby i just had in a dirty shed 2 nights ago strapped to my back, under the sun, with "my husband i should submit to" picking cotton right next to me, a whip can fall on me and my baby and the "man i submit to" cant do sh!t. what kind of a heartless being would require submission from a woman who needs her defiance, strong will and refusal to bend to anything life brings to survive?

these women are thriving cos they refuse to submit to the pressures and hardship, yet a stupid man wants to crack those walls she has built so he can feel special while simultaneously not getting rid of the hardship that is causing her to keep her will strong and bow to no man. if u want a human to submit to u, then u must be a god, now, answer her prayers!!! or dont murmur when she finally decides to harden and fight for a good life for herself and kids since you wont do that much. YOU, MY niqqa, DO NOT EVEN HAVE WHAT IT TAKES TO GET OR KEEP A MIRANDA KERR, SO WHY ARE U WORRIED THAT THERE IS NO MIRANDA KERR AROUND? bish bye.

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we've heard chris and dami's story since god knows when and now he's saying "she wasn't submissive" when the news for years has been that she's been unhappy with his finances & career that didnt quite take off as they both hoped and can we all refresh our memories with the rumors of his cheating? if he did say this, then he can choke on his own vomit.. dami must have seen some sh!t with this heffa cos she really wanted out and she didnt mud-sling first. so that's dignity right there. "as a woman u need to trust the captain of your ship" hahhaha... what do we call a woman who boarded a ship and the captain suddenly died on the wheels, she saw a parachute but did not jump out and went down with the ship? we call that a dumb bish! chris must have been shook when she signed those papers. yimu.

Sterope:
Of course, there will be a balance.

It wasn't easier in those days. It is a lie. It is never easy.

Sterope:
Thanks. Compromise is more like it. It sounds like I do have a choice afterall. I believe both couples should be to ready compromise.

supersystemsnig:



No man wants this trust me. No one wants to be a beneficiary of a stone-hearted woman

Gwaihir:


You welcome.

Erm madam, small small, we all want marriages to work no need to appear combative. It is enough to trigger an ego tirade from a man speaking on "a man not financial responsible bla bla" statement in your previous post.

majekdom2:
and God and holy spirit is a title so we are worshiping a title and a title is punishing us for our sins ..... wow... Interesing!!!!!! so titles can punish us, I never knew. Have you ever read that the holy spirit is a person. so when Jesus ( the title) said the holyghost will come on you he meant another title will come and dwell with you. so who gives you this wisdom you are talking.... a title. again, who saved you and died for your sins. a title...... mehn , pls dont quote me again. i dont want to know which christain you are but pls dont quote me again

Gwaihir:


I don't think there is any problem with that, as far as both parties can compromise, understand and be patient for each other without it getting heated or a need for a back and forth. I think that is mainly why people are harping on the submissive part.

sukkot:
lol depends on what you believe hell fire is . you are in hell right now and you dont know it. but the bible is written in poetic language that makes you think hell is a destination. however hell is what happens to nations and countries when GOD is angry with the people. nigeria is hell. it is a kind of hell

psalms 9 vs 17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God. << SO IT IS NATIONS THAT ARE TURNED INTO HELL. LIKE NIGERIA ? THATS HELL