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Not My Jesus: A List Of Christological Heresis by OLAADEGBU(m): 3:15pm On Oct 30, 2017
There is a difference between the Jesus of the New Testament and the Jesus of Gnosticism, Judaism, or Islam. Here is a list of heresies condemned by the orthodox church:

http://reasonsforjesus.com/not-my-jesus-a-list-of-christological-heresies/

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Re: Not My Jesus: A List Of Christological Heresis by OLAADEGBU(m): 4:15pm On Nov 14, 2017
OLAADEGBU:


There is a difference between the Jesus of the New Testament and the Jesus of Gnosticism, Judaism, or Islam. Here is a list of heresies condemned by the orthodox church:

http://reasonsforjesus.com/not-my-jesus-a-list-of-christological-heresies/

What is a Heresy?

First we may ask, what is a heresy? The short answer is, "aberrant teaching." A heresy is some teaching which departs from core Christian teaching. But that definition is a little unclear. It doesn't really help quell the human habit of exaggerated accusations, nor does it help distinguish between denominational versus heretical disagreements.

Often people throw around the term "heresy" with little concern for the implications of this imposing term. Heresy is a libelous term and shouldn't be used lightly. For our purposes here, we need to see what really qualifies as heresy. But to do this, we need to know what is orthodoxy.

Orthodoxy (Lat., “right doctrine/teaching”) refers to the established, agreed-upon, and time-tested theology of the historic Christian faith (incl., Catholics, Protestants, and Eastern Orthodox). A similar concept is orthopraxy (Lat. “right practice”). Sometimes these notions, right-practice and right-teaching, are fused under the parent-term orthodoxy. We're just looking at teachings about Christ (a.k.a., christology) so we don't need to address orthopraxy here.

There is a lot of gray area in the notion of "orthodoxy," and there are many disputes over particular teachings and whether they count as heresy, such as "open theism," or "baptismal regeneration." But we have an imperfect yet reliable way to identify what is probably orthodox and what is probably not.

Does it pass the test of Apostolicity (it is affirmed implicitly or explicitly by the teachings of the prophets and apostles in biblical times)?
Does it pass the test of Scripture/Canonicity (it aligns fairly and completely with the Canon Scripture)?
Does it pass the test of Creedal History (it is affirmed within the history of church creeds and councils)?
Does it pass the test of Catholicity (it has universal or near universal acceptance by the church)?
Does it pass the test of History (it is affirmed within the collective teachings and traditions of the church over it’s history)?
Does it pass the test of the Church Fathers (it is affirmed within the teachings of the Church Fathers)?

These tests are the various ways the church has been checking ideas for theological integrity over the whole course of church history. You can skim any of the Ecumenical Church councils and see each of these criteria in action. These tests aren’t implemented equally by all denominations, nor are these tests collectively used by each Christian faith tradition.

But together these tests constitute a good approximation for how to discern orthodoxy. This rubric is imperfect in that some orthodox ideas only satisfy a few of these tests. But this rubric is reliable in that there’s no orthodox idea which fails all of these tests.

Deviations from orthodoxy are called heterodoxy. Not all heterodox teachings would count as heresy because something could lie outside of orthodox teaching, but it's not important enough, it doesn't carry enough consequence, or it's too much of a terminological dispute (just haggling over word choice, without any other significance underneath).

For example, it would be heterodox to teach that Jesus’s favorite number was 9, or that all church buildings should be cross shaped, or that women and men have to partake of communion on different days of the week, or that church services will be meeting only on ground that's been blessed by a saint.

Compared to orthodoxy, the term "heresy" is referring to some teaching or practice which deviates in a contradictory way from orthodoxy. That is, heresy deviates from the established and agreed-upon central teachings in historic Christianity.

By "historic christianity" is meant the church universal over the course of it's history. That includes, Catholics, Protestants, and Eastern Orthodox. There is a continuum of development–as the church refines it’s teaching and practices over time. And there are denominational differences between and within these schools of thought.

But the changes are not heresy unless (1) they step outside of the agreed-upon theological options vetted across church history (such as the 7 ecumenical councils, Vatican II, the test of Scripture, Apostle's creed, etc.), and (2) they address a central teaching of the church, such as a creedal statement or a salvation teaching. For example, many of the teachings of the 2nd century Church Father Origen were not considered heresy at the time, but were later deemed heretical.

There is grace for him, however, since the collective wisdom of the church had not yet aligned on the finer points of theology which he transgressed. Like the rest of us, Origen was responsible for what he was able to know, not for what he was couldn't have known at the time.

What then is the orthodox teaching about Jesus Christ?
Re: Not My Jesus: A List Of Christological Heresis by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:16pm On Nov 15, 2017
OLAADEGBU:


There is a difference between the Jesus of the New Testament and the Jesus of Gnosticism, Judaism, or Islam. Here is a list of heresies condemned by the orthodox church:

http://reasonsforjesus.com/not-my-jesus-a-list-of-christological-heresies/

Getting Christ Right: Orthodox Christology

Orthodoxy: Jesus is revealed in the Bible; the Promised/Prophesied Messiah; Fully God; Fully Man; Born of a Virgin; Eternal and unborn; Equal Deity w/ the Father and w/ the Holy Spirit; Sinless & miracle worker; 2nd Person of the Trinity; Died by Crucifixion & buried; Bodily Resurrected on the Third day; Into the same but glorified body; Died for the sins of the world; Faith in Him as God & saviour is the Only; Means of Salvation; Saves by grace alone, not by meritorious works [of man]; will return to judge all people; reigns forevermore.
Re: Not My Jesus: A List Of Christological Heresis by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:44pm On Nov 24, 2017
OLAADEGBU:


There is a difference between the Jesus of the New Testament and the Jesus of Gnosticism, Judaism, or Islam. Here is a list of heresies condemned by the orthodox church:

http://reasonsforjesus.com/not-my-jesus-a-list-of-christological-heresies/

Christological Heresies

Ebionism

Orig. ,1st-2nd cent. Jesus was only man *Heresy of the Ebionites.*From the Hebrew word for "poor" which was the name chosen by an early and self-debasing Jewish sect. *They focused on Jesus' teaching, "blessed are the poor in spirit." *Deny Deity of Christ. *Deny virgin birth. Deny Jesus’ preexistence (before being born on earth). *Condemned in the Council of Nicea in 325AD. Whether Jesus is God or man?

Re: Not My Jesus: A List Of Christological Heresis by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:49am On Feb 08, 2018
OLAADEGBU:


There is a difference between the Jesus of the New Testament and the Jesus of Gnosticism, Judaism, or Islam. Here is a list of heresies condemned by the orthodox church:

http://reasonsforjesus.com/not-my-jesus-a-list-of-christological-heresies/

Docetism
Orig., 3rd cent. Jesus was only God, not man *Aka: Illusionism. *From the Greek "Doketai" meaning "to seem." *Jesus only seemed to be human but was in reality only God. *First mentioned in the early 3rd century but was found in various views including Marcionism and Gnosticism. *Some assert that another person died in Jesus' place on the cross. *Condemned in the Council of Chalcedon 451.
Re: Not My Jesus: A List Of Christological Heresis by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:34pm On May 30, 2018
OLAADEGBU:


There is a difference between the Jesus of the New Testament and the Jesus of Gnosticism, Judaism, or Islam. Here is a list of heresies condemned by the orthodox church:

http://reasonsforjesus.com/not-my-jesus-a-list-of-christological-heresies/

Adoptionism
Orig., 2nd cent. Jesus was man who became Christ or God by adoption. *AKA: Dynamic Monarchianism. *Jesus was a righteous man who became the Son of God by adoption. *The adoption was at baptism where the Spirit or "Christ" descended on Him. *Some think He became "God" at the Resurrection. *Earliest expression of this view was in the "Shepherd of Hermas." *Also affirmed by Theodotus. *Rejected by the church in the 2nd and 8th centuries. *Compatible with Arianism. *Condemned in 325 at the Council of Nicea.
Re: Not My Jesus: A List Of Christological Heresis by OLAADEGBU(m): 3:16pm On Oct 30, 2018
OLAADEGBU:


There is a difference between the Jesus of the New Testament and the Jesus of Gnosticism, Judaism, or Islam. Here is a list of heresies condemned by the orthodox church:

http://reasonsforjesus.com/not-my-jesus-a-list-of-christological-heresies/

Arianism
Orig., 4th cent. Jesus was a demigod—less than God, more than man. *Jesus was less than God but more than man. A demigod. *Jesus was created, finite, and could sin. *Similar to ebionism and compatible with adoptionism. *Advanced by 4th Century Bishop Arius. *It took 18 church councils to resolve the issue, most of them being the Nicene Council. *Condemned in 325 at the Council of Nicea.
Re: Not My Jesus: A List Of Christological Heresis by Ubenedictus(m): 4:52pm On Oct 30, 2018
Funny enough orthodoxy confirms the following doctrines as correct.

Mary as mother of God vis a vis the hypostatic Union.

Perpetual virginity of Mary.

Communion of saints!

Just to name a few.
Re: Not My Jesus: A List Of Christological Heresis by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:29pm On Oct 30, 2018
Ubenedictus:


Funny enough orthodoxy confirms the following doctrines as correct.

Mary as mother of God vis a vis the hypostatic Union.

Perpetual virginity of Mary.

Communion of saints!

Just to name a few
.

Getting Christ Right: Orthodox Christology

Orthodoxy: Jesus is revealed in the Bible; the Promised/Prophesied Messiah; Fully God; Fully Man; Born of a Virgin; Eternal and unborn; Equal Deity w/ the Father and w/ the Holy Spirit; Sinless & miracle worker; 2nd Person of the Trinity; Died by Crucifixion & buried; Bodily Resurrected on the Third day; Into the same but glorified body; Died for the sins of the world; Faith in Him as God & saviour is the Only; Means of Salvation; Saves by grace alone, not by meritorious works [of man]; will return to judge all people; reigns forevermore.

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Re: Not My Jesus: A List Of Christological Heresis by OLAADEGBU(m): 12:15am On Oct 10, 2019
OLAADEGBU:


Arianism
Orig., 4th cent. Jesus was a demigod—less than God, more than man. *Jesus was less than God but more than man. A demigod. *Jesus was created, finite, and could sin. *Similar to ebionism and compatible with adoptionism. *Advanced by 4th Century Bishop Arius. *It took 18 church councils to resolve the issue, most of them being the Nicene Council. *Condemned in 325 at the Council of Nicea.

Apollinarianism
Orig., 4th cent. Jesus had no human mind. *Jesus lacked a human mind/soul, having instead a divine mind. *Jesus had all the other parts of a human however: spirit, body, and animal soul (the animating force but not the intellect or spirit). *Espoused by Apollinarius in the 4th century. *Condemned in the 4th century, in 381 at the First Council of Constantinople. How is Jesus God and man?
Re: Not My Jesus: A List Of Christological Heresis by maynia: 10:51am On Jan 20, 2020
But Orthodox is just a sect of the church too, just like docetsim and gnosticism is a sect, so as orthodox.
If not for Constantine that approved the orthodox as a mainstream Christianity.

During the Nicene creed they were not defending orthodoxy they were searching for what was orthodoxy.

You are talking as if orthodox is genuine more than others.

Guys please read on the development of early Christianity and Constantine influence in Christianity
Re: Not My Jesus: A List Of Christological Heresis by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:27am On Jan 20, 2020
maynia:


But Orthodox is just a sect of the church too, just like docetsim and gnosticism is a sect, so as orthodox.
If not for Constantine that approved the orthodox as a mainstream Christianity.

During the Nicene creed they were not defending orthodoxy they were searching for what was orthodoxy.

You are talking as if orthodox is genuine more than others.

Guys please read on the development of early Christianity and Constantine influence in Christianity

You should be asking what influence Constantine had on Roman Catholic Church. Christianity started way before that. Religion is not the answer Jesus Christ is. Watch the videoclip below for details.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3N77D4dUgP4
Re: Not My Jesus: A List Of Christological Heresis by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:48am On Jan 20, 2020
OLAADEGBU:


Apollinarianism
Orig., 4th cent. Jesus had no human mind. *Jesus lacked a human mind/soul, having instead a divine mind. *Jesus had all the other parts of a human however: spirit, body, and animal soul (the animating force but not the intellect or spirit). *Espoused by Apollinarius in the 4th century. *Condemned in the 4th century, in 381 at the First Council of Constantinople. How is Jesus God and man?

Monophysitism

Orig., 5th cent.
Jesus had only one divine nature and no human nature. *AKA: Eutychianism, named after its founder Eutychus. *Jesus had only one nature the divine nature which absorbed and nullified any human nature. *Affirms that Jesus is both divine and human, but not “fully” human. *Slightly different from Apollinarianism. This view asserts that Jesus had one nature, while Apol. asserts Jesus had one soul. *Condemned at the Council of Chalcedon 451.
Re: Not My Jesus: A List Of Christological Heresis by maynia: 1:17pm On Jan 20, 2020
OLAADEGBU:


You should be asking what influence Constantine had on Roman Catholic Church. Christianity started way before that. Religion is not the answer Jesus Christ is. Watch the videoclip below for details.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3N77D4dUgP4

What's Roman Catholic church? It means Roman universal church.

Did you know, the Catholic removed some books from the Bible in the year 1684?

Rubbish one sided video

Christianity started when exactly? Cause Judaism came from Christianity and they only hold on to 1 God not 3 Gods as wanted by Constantine.

Why do you celebrate easter, and December 25th? Are these not Constantine doings?
Re: Not My Jesus: A List Of Christological Heresis by maynia: 1:22pm On Jan 20, 2020
OLAADEGBU:


You should be asking what influence Constantine had on Roman Catholic Church. Christianity started way before that. Religion is not the answer Jesus Christ is. Watch the videoclip below for details.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3N77D4dUgP4

Learn from real history no biases!!


The First bible is kept in the Vatican called Vulgate.
lol

And Catholic means UNIVERSAL, dumbass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_QoPEaULgM.
Re: Not My Jesus: A List Of Christological Heresis by maynia: 1:26pm On Jan 20, 2020
OLAADEGBU:


You should be asking what influence Constantine had on Roman Catholic Church. Christianity started way before that. Religion is not the answer Jesus Christ is. Watch the videoclip below for details.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3N77D4dUgP4

Christianity have started long but the type of Christianity we practice now (orthodox) started with Constantine approval.



How did orthodox Christianity became the official religion of Roman abi only Roman Catholic church was the official religion?
The Nicene creed BISHOPS were deeper life member?

Dumbass don't know Catholic means UNIVERSAL.

Below are the different sects of Christianity then, that's why I ask people to go read about the history of early development of Christianity.

If Constantine didn't approve a sect(orthodox) as the Mainstream Christianity, Christianity would have been different today.

The Nicene creed weren't defending orthodoxy they were searching for what orthodox Means through trial and error.

lol.
The books in the bible entered through an organic way, the best selling, that means the most popular book were put inside the Bible, although some politics happens cause the book of Clement was removed although it was popular.
Same as gospel of Thomas , each sect had their own book they read.

The books we have now are the books the orthodox sects approved of.

Re: Not My Jesus: A List Of Christological Heresis by maynia: 1:35pm On Jan 20, 2020
OLAADEGBU:


You should be asking what influence Constantine had on Roman Catholic Church. Christianity started way before that. Religion is not the answer Jesus Christ is. Watch the videoclip below for details.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3N77D4dUgP4

If All books were inspired by God, why set up a canon?

Re: Not My Jesus: A List Of Christological Heresis by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:40am On Jan 21, 2020
maynia:


If All books were inspired by God, why set up a canon?

"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work" (2 Timothy 3:16-17).

Who said all books are inspired by God? It is only the 66 books of the Bible that are God-breathed.
Re: Not My Jesus: A List Of Christological Heresis by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:46am On Jan 21, 2020
OLAADEGBU:


Monophysitism

Orig., 5th cent.
Jesus had only one divine nature and no human nature. *AKA: Eutychianism, named after its founder Eutychus. *Jesus had only one nature the divine nature which absorbed and nullified any human nature. *Affirms that Jesus is both divine and human, but not “fully” human. *Slightly different from Apollinarianism. This view asserts that Jesus had one nature, while Apol. asserts Jesus had one soul. *Condemned at the Council of Chalcedon 451.

Nestorianism

Orig., 5th cent. Jesus has two unmixed, unrelated, natures. *Jesus is two distinct natures, and only one, the human nature, was birthed by Mary. *Nestorius (5th cent.) vigorously opposed the phrase “[Mary] Mother of God” (Theotokos), preferring the phrase “Mother of Christ” (Kristotokos). *The human and divine natures are separate and distinct. *Condemned at the Council of Ephesus in 431AD.
Re: Not My Jesus: A List Of Christological Heresis by maynia: 1:17pm On Jan 21, 2020
OLAADEGBU:


"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work" (2 Timothy 3:16-17).

Who said all books are inspired by God? It is only the 66 books of the Bible that are God-breathed.

That time there was nothing like Bible, and bible means collection of books literally, so which book were inspired?
Have you forgotten how we got the 80 books( before the Catholic removed 14 in 1684)in the bible through canonisation?

So which book is that verse referring to, cause that time there was nothing like Bible, different Christianity sect had there own books they read.

If the scriptures were inspired by God why set up a canon to choose and debate which they deem inspired?

Lol
Re: Not My Jesus: A List Of Christological Heresis by OLAADEGBU(m): 4:39pm On Jan 21, 2020
maynia:


That time there was nothing like Bible, and bible means collection of books literally, so which book were inspired?
Have you forgotten how we got the 80 books( before the Catholic removed 14 in 1684)in the bible through canonisation?

So which book is that verse referring to, cause that time there was nothing like Bible, different Christianity sect had there own books they read.

If the scriptures were inspired by God why set up a canon to choose and debate which they deem inspired?

Lol

Get your answers from the videoclips on this thread ==> https://www.nairaland.com/2048256/why-66-books-bible
Re: Not My Jesus: A List Of Christological Heresis by maynia: 5:09pm On Jan 21, 2020
OLAADEGBU:


Get your answers from the videoclips on this thread ==> https://www.nairaland.com/2048256/why-66-books-bible

Like someone on that thread said, keep on lying to yourself....
Re: Not My Jesus: A List Of Christological Heresis by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:13pm On Jan 21, 2020
maynia:


Like someone on that thread said, keep on lying to yourself....

It is your choice to believe a lie.

Re: Not My Jesus: A List Of Christological Heresis by maynia: 5:16pm On Jan 21, 2020
OLAADEGBU:


It is your choice to believe a lie.

Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.” Lucius Annaeus Seneca.

Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.” Andre Gide
Re: Not My Jesus: A List Of Christological Heresis by maynia: 5:19pm On Jan 21, 2020
OLAADEGBU:


"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work" (2 Timothy 3:16-17).

Who said all books are inspired by God? It is only the 66 books of the Bible that are God-breathed.

lol.
66 books were inspired by who again, lol

Do you know what canon means ? Who set it up?, Thought you said it was the Catholic that made the Bible? The Catholics that were inspired by God, right.




Why did the Catholic removed some? Maybe God told them too that they are no more inspired, lol
Re: Not My Jesus: A List Of Christological Heresis by maynia: 5:22pm On Jan 21, 2020
OLAADEGBU:


It is your choice to believe a lie.

Listen to your advice.
Re: Not My Jesus: A List Of Christological Heresis by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:33pm On Jan 21, 2020
maynia:


lol.
66 books were inspired by who again, lol

Do you know what canon means ? Who set it up?, Thought you said it was the Catholic that made the Bible? The Catholics that were inspired by God, right.




Why did the Catholic removed some? Maybe God told them too that they are no more inspired, lol

You will keep on asking uninformed questions if you do not avail yourself of the resources on the thread I suggested. undecided
Re: Not My Jesus: A List Of Christological Heresis by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:38pm On Jan 21, 2020
maynia:


Learn from real history no biases!!


The First bible is kept in the Vatican called Vulgate.
lol

And Catholic means UNIVERSAL, dumbass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_QoPEaULgM.

Again, go to this thread to learn how the Nicene Creed formed --> https://www.nairaland.com/1878872/what-origin-catholic-church/3
Re: Not My Jesus: A List Of Christological Heresis by maynia: 5:42pm On Jan 21, 2020
OLAADEGBU:


Again, go to this thread to learn how the Nicene Creed formed --> https://www.nairaland.com/1878872/what-origin-catholic-church/3

No I'm not going, watch the clip and learn.

Pure and direct
Re: Not My Jesus: A List Of Christological Heresis by maynia: 5:43pm On Jan 21, 2020
OLAADEGBU:


You will keep on asking uninformed questions if you do not avail yourself of the resources on the thread I suggested. undecided

Resources for BRAINWASHED people?
Nah.
Re: Not My Jesus: A List Of Christological Heresis by maynia: 5:50pm On Jan 21, 2020
OLAADEGBU:


Again, go to this thread to learn how the Nicene Creed formed --> https://www.nairaland.com/1878872/what-origin-catholic-church/3

Again look up real history not one edited like the bible tongue


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_QoPEaULgM.
Re: Not My Jesus: A List Of Christological Heresis by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:02pm On Jan 21, 2020
maynia:


Again look up real history not one edited like the bible tongue

https://www.youtub e.com/watch?v=T_QoPEaULgM.

Real history is His Story. Get to know Him today, His name is Jesus. smiley

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