patches689:


How are the opinions of youtube veiwers ever relevant?

Mr. Patches ... would that not also mean that your desperate opinions here are not relevant?
Afterall you posted the YouTube link here by your own volition.

How are the opinions of Patches (and his delusional South African brothers) ever relevant?

agaugust:


SANDF with African Union money built a base for 1,500 troops in a peace keeping environment.

When South African army grows up to Nigerian army's advanced experience level and builds hundreds of bases for 30,000 men spread over land as big as Scotland inside a real life war zone, come back and talk to us on Nairaland
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Someone is forgetting about the border war again.

Training > Experience
Organisation > Experience
Discipline > Experience

How does building more bases make it harder? If all men are trained the same then they all build themsleves the same bases.

agaugust:


SANDF G-6 artillery max shell range is 39 km according to your own army sources.

Nigeria has 45 km max range rocket artillery.

The rest of your comment lacks any technical common sense and needs no reply
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G-6 with standard ammunition is 39km.

G6 with VLAP is 53km
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/g6/

What 45km range MRLS?

patches689:


And that Nigerian company hired South Africans to set up your 72nd Strike Force (or whatever it is called). Confirmed by the latest Vice Episode and confirmed by the white guy flying the hind in that episode

Hired South African private company that has soldiers from all over the world. We did NOT hire SANDF....South African military.

The SADF used mercenaries NOT private military companies but real mercenary fighters in thousands to fight Cuban army in Angola !

The VICE reporter said that despite the few PMC that trained the small strike force of MRAP men....not T-72, not dismount infantry, not artillery, not air force.....just mwntored the already Nigerian army tarined the small Strike force only.....Vice reporter said it was still a TOTALLY NIGERIAN ARMY WAR AND VICTORY.....that was the conclusion at the end of the video, go play it again
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patches689:


He is wearing his overalls with the top unzipped.

You have just confirmed my argument by showing a tanker working in his overalls.

Do you even know what overalls are?

Coveralls do NOT have belts :

http://www.riley.army.mil/News/Photos.aspx?igphoto=2000769461
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agaugust:


Hired South African private company that has soldiers from all over the world. We did NOT hire SANDF....South African military.

The SADF used mercenaries NOT private military companies but real mercenary fighters in thousands to fight Cuban army in Angola !

The VICE reporter said that despite the few PMC that trained the small strike force of MRAP men....not T-72, not dismount infantry, not artillery, not air force.....just mwntored the already Nigerian army tarined the small Strike force only.....Vice reporter said it was still a TOTALLY NIGERIAN ARMY WAR AND VICTORY.....that was the conclusion at the end of the video, go play it again
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SADF used foreigners for one battalion out of an army of 500 000 men.

The men hired were fromer SANDF and SADF

The Vice corrispondent said that the Strike Force was trained by foreigners - who provided an airwing as well

And who says it is a victory? You think COIN is won by holding ground?

patches689:


G-6 with standard ammunition is 39km.

G6 with VLAP is 53km
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/g6/

What 45km range MRLS?

SANDF has NO VLAP shells

Your army has a fvcking maximum artillery range of less than 39 km....
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agaugust:


Coveralls do NOT have belts :

http://www.riley.army.mil/News/Photos.aspx?igphoto=2000769461
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1. Thats not a tank
2. The vehical has battle damage, those are most likely mechanics repairing the vehical while it is in motorpool.

patches689:


SADF used foreigners for one battalion out of an army of 500 000 men.

The men hired were fromer SANDF and SADF

The Vice corrispondent said that the Strike Force was trained by foreigners - who provided an airwing as well

And who says it is a victory? You think COIN is won by holding ground?

SADF NEVER had 500,000 troops inside Angola, you would have wiped out the 50,000 Cubans in one day.

You had only 4,000 troops at any time on frontline, with 1,000 mercenaries imported from USA and Europe, then the recces and buffalo battalions also had hundreds of Angolans, Zimbabweans, Mozambicans etc all helping South Africa to stop Cuba from driving straight into Pretoria
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agaugust:


SANDF has NO VLAP shells

Your army has a fvcking maximum artillery range of less than 39 km....
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Where does it say we have no VLAP?

It simply lists the range for standard ammunition.

Same website only lists the Ratel ZT3 under the Ratel category - are you saying the SANDF has over 1000 Ratel ZT3's?

Use some common sense

agaugust:


SADF NEVER had 500,000 troops inside Angola, you would have wiped out the 50,000 Cubans in one day.

You had only 4,000 troops at any time on frontline, with 1,000 mercenaries imported from USA and Europe, then the recces and buffalo battalions also had hundreds of Angolans, Zimbabweans, Mozambicans etc all helping South Africa to stop Cuba from driving straight into Pretoria
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Ok, so you just completely made up the "1000" mercenaries

Only 32 Battalion had foreigners - and they were trained and led by South Africans.

Do you know why we recruited foreigners into 32 Battalion? Do you need a lesson in psuedo operations? Another thing Mr Researcher doesnt know about?

SADF deployed 20 000 men to Angola.

Stop wasting my time with asinine arguments

patches689:


1. Thats not a tank
2. The vehical has battle damage, those are most likely mechanics repairing the vehical while it is in motorpool.

Both men were TANK CREW with NO COVERALLS !

"BAGHDAD—Sgt. David Stoehr, bottom, an Indianapolis native, and Pvt. James Holland, a Dallas native, both M1 Abrams Main Battle Tank mechanics with Company F, 1st “Vanguard” Battalion, 18th Infantry Regiment, 2nd Advise and Assist Brigade, 1st Infantry Division, United States Division – Center, clean an M88 Armored Recovery Vehicle Aug. 20, 2011 at Camp Taji, Iraq."


http://www.riley.army.mil/News/Photos.aspx?igphoto=2000769461

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agaugust:


Both men were TANK CREW with NO COVERALLS !

"BAGHDAD—Sgt. David Stoehr, bottom, an Indianapolis native, and Pvt. James Holland, a Dallas native, both M1 Abrams Main Battle [size=20pt]Tank mechanics[/size] with Company F, 1st “Vanguard” Battalion, 18th Infantry Regiment, 2nd Advise and Assist Brigade, 1st Infantry Division, United States Division – [size=20pt] clean an M88 Armored Recovery Vehicle Aug. 20, 2011 at Camp Taji, Iraq."[/size]


http://www.riley.army.mil/News/Photos.aspx?igphoto=2000769461

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[size=20pt]READ YOUR OWN SOURCE

1. Not tank crew
2. Not even working on a tank [/size]

patches689:


2. The vehical has battle damage, those are most likely mechanics repairing the vehical while it is in motorpool.

Thanks for proving me right, your own photo shows the tank crew kneeling down on right hand side holding the hammer head, wears NO overalls like the others, see his belt

Their is NO world standard uniform for tank crew working labour inside their own base....Olodo !
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agaugust:


Thanks for proving me right, your own photo shows the tank crew kneeling down on right hand side holding the hammer head, wears NO overalls like the others, see his belt

Their is NO world standard uniform for tank crew working labour inside their own base....Olodo !
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The men are all in the same uniform, unlike yourse

The men all have shoes, unlike yours

The men dont have to use civilian clothing, unlike yours.


Who says the man in the pants is part of the crew?

patches689:


[size=13pt]READ YOUR OWN SOURCE

1. Not tank crew
2. Not even working on a tank [/size]

[size=20pt]
Yes, Tank crew, doin labour work on another tracked heavy armoured vehicle....Tank mechnics, I am very right !

"BAGHDAD—Sgt. David Stoehr, bottom, an Indianapolis native, and Pvt. James Holland, a Dallas native, both M1 Abrams Main Battle Tank mechanics with Company F, 1st “Vanguard” Battalion,"

http://www.riley.army.mil/News/Photos.aspx?igphoto=2000769461
.[/size]

patches689:


The men are all in the same uniform, unlike yourse

The men all have shoes, unlike yours

The men dont have to use civilian clothing, unlike yours.


Who says the man in the pants is part of the crew?

Argument is NOT about colour of unifrom, it's about tank crew NOT wearing coverall inside base doing labour work like the man kneeling down on the bright side of your very own photo, he has NO COVERALLS...he wears pants with normal waist belt and even hooks a small pouch on it....your own photo gives evidence against you

Your own photo proved me right....Thanks bros !
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patches689:


From your own source:

[size=13pt]“Although our deployment is mainly meant for Operation Corona at the border-line, my troops are alert and fully prepared to deal with rhino poachers and other crimes such as illegal border crossing and possession of stolen goods,” said Lt Col Vilakazi.[/size]

Grow up, this is boring.

[size=20pt]

First deployment was operation Corona, new assignment is right inside Kruger Park chasing and shooting Rhino poachers who dribbled SANDF into submission.....

"The deployment of the South African National Defence Force (SANDF) at Kruger National Park in the Mpumalanga Province is described as a step in the right direction by all stakeholders in the fight against rhino poaching in South Africa."


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lezz:
pplitical times my dear, is fraught with emtions which spilt over from the mouth of the Oba of Lagos.

Every Nigerian has condemned it including the Oba'a poeple.

But everyone knows pre 1994 south Africa is alot better than post 1994 South Africa which is marked by räpe, infrastructural decay, HIV prevalence, corruption, incompetence, violence, economic stagnation, collapse of government firms and institution, low school attendance , high penchant for drugs, (which few Nigerians gladly supply you and yours)


The truth is many africans came to South Africa after helping you alight from your trees and mountains after putting pressure on your Dutch conquerors to allow you attend school and become humans again.

Problem is 21 years after the Dutch act of kindness, you lazy South african still haven't caught up to modern trends,so Nigerians and co have to fill in the jobs and vacancies left open. That's still little in comparison to what we did for you.

You have to show some sense of gratitude.


.......i was almost forgetting this...

Tell me, what did you and your fathers built and contributed in South Africa?

because we built Nigeria with our bare hands and blood. And just after 55 years, we are Africa's No. 1 economy.

your bare hands and blood only built mokoko slums in the city of Lagos built by the British, your bridges,highways rails en so forth are built by the chinese even the eko Atlantic we are hearing about belongs to the Europeans...your GDP is just like a huge empty house,check out the global economic competitiveness index ,your country is at the bottom....your country men and women are flocking to SA like flies for green pastures because that GDP only caters for few,the elites ...since you are over populated you need to triple it...you seem not to appreciate what SA is doing for you,creating jobs for you in your own country,feeding you with food,you are watching our tv channels that's why you know too much about SA than your own country,our airways are flying over your roofs daily
..on the other hand we are housing nearly 1million Nigerian refugees ...swallow your empty pride and say thank SA for your generosity...you keep on mentioning infrastructure,I hate talking about it particularly with people who only see a moving train once a year...a diesel one in this case...you talking about rape and corruption in SA like if it does not occur in your country...this clearly shows how blind you are...

agaugust:


[size=20pt]

First deployment was operation Corona, new assignment is right inside Kruger Park chasing and shooting Rhino poachers who dribbled SANDF into submission.....

"The deployment of the South African National Defence Force (SANDF) at Kruger National Park in the Mpumalanga Province is described as a step in the right direction by all stakeholders in the fight against rhino poaching in South Africa."


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Nope - Op Corona overlaps with AP duties as cross border poaching was a problem

You cant chose what your sources say. Your source says they were deployed for border protection - that is what they were deployed for

agaugust:



[size=20pt]
Yes, Tank crew, doin labour work on another tracked heavy armoured vehicle....Tank mechnics, I am very right !

"BAGHDAD—Sgt. David Stoehr, bottom, an Indianapolis native, and Pvt. James Holland, a Dallas native, both M1 Abrams Main Battle Tank mechanics with Company F, 1st “Vanguard” Battalion,"

http://www.riley.army.mil/News/Photos.aspx?igphoto=2000769461
.[/size]

No - tank mechanics.

Who arent even working on a tank.

Your lack of literacy has humiliated you again!

agaugust:


Argument is NOT about colour of unifrom, it's about tank crew NOT wearing coverall inside base doing labour work like the man kneeling down on the bright side of your very own photo

Your own photo proved me right....Thanks bros !
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Nope argument has allways been about uniform and equipment.

lezz:




South African police have arrested 17 people and opened murder cases after attacks on foreign nationals in Durban.

The violence comes in the wake of alleged comments by the Zulu king telling migrants to go home - although the he says he was mistranslated.

But Home Affairs Minister Malusi Gigaba has called on traditional leaders to stop making remarks that "could result in a loss of life".

At least 62 people died in xenophobic attacks that swept the country in 2008.

For the latest news, views and analysis see the BBC Africa Live page.





Following the alleged comments by King Goodwill Zwelithini at the end of March, 250 people have been attacked, mostly from the Democratic Republic of Congo, and foreign-owned shops have been looted in the port city of Durban.

More than 1,000 mainly African migrants have fled their homes, some going to police stations and other are being housed in tents on a sports field.
Zulu King Goodwill Zwelithini, like other traditional leaders, is widely respected
South Africa's Business Day newspaper reports that at least three people have been killed and that a Somali shopkeeper is in a critical condition.

Police spokesperson Maj Thulani Zwane told the BBC that the police do not know exactly how many people have been killed, but that some were South African nationals and some were foreigners.

'Ticking time bomb'

South African President Jacob Zuma's son, Edward, has come out in support of the Zulu king's alleged comments.
Thousands of African migrants have fled their homes around Durban fearing attack
"We need to be aware that as a country we are sitting on a ticking time bomb," he said, adding that foreigners were "taking over the country".

Raphael Baheybwa-Kambambire, president of Congolese Solidarity campaign, told the BBC that religious leaders met with Zulu monarch on Thursday.

King Zwelithini told them he was talking "only about those who don't have papers and documentation in South Africa".

Mr Gigaba said on Thursday evening that it was important not to incite violence.

"Africa in particular must not think that we hate fellow Africans so much that we are prepared to do the worst to cause them harm," he said.

On Wednesday, hundreds of people marched in front of the Durban's City Hall in protest against the xenophobic violence.

Durban-based journalist Jeff Wicks told the BBC's Newsday programme that it does not take much to stoke tensions.

Xenophobic violence flares up in townships where living conditions are poor for all those living there, irrespective of where they come from, he says.

time bomb ticking",that's the only sentence driving the entire essay of yours...your wishful thinking

MduZA:



your bare hands and blood only built mokoko slums in the city of Lagos built by the British, your bridges,highways rails en so forth are built by the chinese even the eko Atlantic we are hearing about belongs to the Europeans...your GDP is just like a huge empty house,check out the global economic competitiveness index ,your country is at the bottom....your country men and women are flocking to SA like flies for green pastures because that GDP only caters for few,the elites ...since you are over populated you need to triple it...you seem not to appreciate what SA is doing for you,creating jobs for you in your own country,feeding you with food,you are watching our tv channels that's why you know too much about SA than your own country,our airways are flying over your roofs daily
..on the other hand we are housing nearly 1million Nigerian refugees ...swallow your empty pride and say thank SA for your generosity...you keep on mentioning infrastructure,I hate talking about it particularly with people who only see a moving train once a year...a diesel one in this case...you talking about rape and corruption in SA like if it does not occur in your country...this clearly shows how blind you are...

you are trolling in circles now and doing vian repeatisions. After reading the xenophobic attacks I posted now, you're still taking about Nigerians flocking into SA.

Your Zulu king and president's son is asking foreigners to leave. Why is it that whites do not complain? It is because they are equipped and qualified hence they do not see foreigners as threat.

But the feeding bottle-sucking overgrown black babies who can't look after themselves are murdering Congolese, Kenyans, Somalians for the fear of being left out of work.

Which Europeans own Atlantic City in Nigeria. You're as desperate now as your besieged troops were in Angola in 1988. Stop talking nonsense.

We have built the best economy and biggest in Africa and have the richest black people on earth. Our entrepreneurial skills is second to none on the continent.

You're saving grace is that you're 50 million, Angola would have knocked you out of the ring a long time ago.

The Anglo -Dutch remains your shield, Angola and Nigerians are your TRUE masters.

Each xenophobic attacks is a depiction of your insecurity and incompetency.

MduZA:


time bomb ticking",that's the only sentence driving the entire essay of yours...your wishful thinking

that's yesterday's BBC news, keep deluding your dishonest self.

jl115:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/05/the-fall-in-oil-price-could-be-a-turning-point-for-nigerians-economy
http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2015/01/oil-prices-and-nigeria-0
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-31455031

"nope, what's shocking is how a country of 55 years will bleep into insignificance a country that was growing steadily since over 300 years. "
Uhm...South Africa was near bankrupt in the mid to late 80s.Secondly SAs economy is estimated to grow by more than 5% from 2018 and on.

And yes SAs economy grew by 4,1% beating estimates!
http://www.southafrica.info/news/business/gdp-250215.htm

"What's the diffeence between 4.8% & 5% ?"
0.2%

I like the 0 in front

jl115:

Anglo-Dutch="Dutch people in the United Kingdom, also known as Anglo-Dutch people, include British people of Dutch ancestry and people born in the Netherlands who live in the United Kingdom. The 2001 UK Census recorded 40,438 Dutch-born people residing in the UK.[1]"

you're correct, but your definition is also very narrow and strict. @mikeczar

Anglo always stand for English either in relation to person or culture or institution. Dutch is always Dutch. Anglo-Dutch simply refers loosely to people of brtish and Dutch backgrounds. And the two major Europeans that built and run southafrica are the Dutch who chased the natives into caves and trees,lol, then came the English who conquered the Dutch and ruled as colonists.

Yes we know other pockets of whites later came from Europe to settle in but their numbers are darn insignificant to change the term. All whites immigrating to SA either fell into the Dutch or English angle.

And isn't Afrikaans are corrupt form of Dutch language, a pidgin variant.

patches689:


Someone is forgetting about the border war again.

Training > Experience
Organisation > Experience
Discipline > Experience

How does building more bases make it harder? If all men are trained the same then they all build themsleves the same bases.

you lost the border war. Stop making reference to that. Besides CIA, America , British and west Germany ready made sure you never lacked logistical supplies but you lost still.

agaugust:


Coveralls do NOT have belts :

http://www.riley.army.mil/News/Photos.aspx?igphoto=2000769461
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hmm, simple few words and a pic that killed patches689

lezz:
you are trolling in circles now and doing vian repeatisions. After reading the xenophobic attacks I posted now, you're still taking about Nigerians flocking into SA.

Your Zulu king and president's son is asking foreigners to leave. Why is it that whites do not complain? It is because they are equipped and qualified hence they do not see foreigners as threat.

But the feeding bottle-sucking overgrown black babies who can't look after themselves are murdering Congolese, Kenyans, Somalians for the fear of being left out of work.

Which Europeans own Atlantic City in Nigeria. You're as desperate now as your besieged troops were in Angola in 1988. Stop talking nonsense.

We have built the best economy and biggest in Africa and have the richest black people on earth. Our entrepreneurial skills is second to none on the continent.

You're saving grace is that you're 50 million, Angola would have knocked you out of the ring a long time ago.

The Anglo -Dutch remains your shield, Angola and Nigerians are your TRUE masters.

Each xenophobic attacks is a depiction of your insecurity and incompetency.

it would not make sense for white people to complain about foreigners who are not sharing resources with them ,remember these kwerekweres are sharing resources with black people ...attacks or no attacks Nigerians will keep on flocking to SA running away from your pathetic country,they rather die in foreign land..you can scream on top of your voice denying..thats your naturalistic behavior but the fact remains eko Atlantic belongs to the Europeans...you are still telling me about your huge empty GDP which is only catering few elite people...you will only play that master game in your imagination but in reality you remain a refugee in foreign lands...

patches689:


The men are all in the same uniform, unlike yourse

The men all have shoes, unlike yours

The men dont have to use civilian clothing, unlike yours.


Who says the man in the pants is part of the crew?

for once in your pathetic life admit being fvckec all over by agaugust. Stop killing this thread by your circle of stupid denials and lame repeatability.

MduZA:



it would not make sense for white people to complain about foreigners who are not sharing resources with them ,remember these kwerekweres are sharing resources with black people ...attacks or no attacks Nigerians will keep on flocking to SA running away from your pathetic country,they rather die in foreign land..you can scream on top of your voice denying..thats your naturalistic behavior but the fact remains eko Atlantic belongs to the Europeans...you are still telling me about your huge empty GDP which is only catering few elite people...you will only play that master game in your imagination but in reality you remain a refugee in foreign lands...

I don't expect you to agree to facts; it isn't in your nature.

Whites do not complain because they are secure in their learning and education.

Nigeria and Congolese, Ghanaians, Somalia a and Zimbabweans came into SA to take the jobs created by the fall of apartheid which you Zulu morons couldn't handle and unqualified to take. That's is globalisation, boy.

Why is the ANC making it mandatory for 75% black representatives to be employed? That's insecurity.

In South Africa the best pilots in your schools are traditionally meant to go into the air force while the average ones go into commercial flight. Well, since blacks do not come up tops despite their population, the ANC government are placing Zulu monkeys on the air force and directing whites to fly commercial.

We pity your incompetent, blond government. Ticking time bomb BBC says.