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Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles by petra1(m): 7:29am On Nov 09, 2017
The kingdom of God runs on principles . These principles cut across dispensations. Principles such and giving of tithes and offerings are unending . The structures may differ but the principles are constant . Just like other principles such as alms for the poor or Honoring your father and mother ,praying to God , fasting etc. It is wrong to say such are done away with the law.

It was not the origin. We are children of Abraham our father of faith who's faith we follow . The law only reminded people of God of existing kingdom principles.

Tithe and offerings are given to God and it is used for work of service in Gods house also welfare and support of the full time workers in Gods house. Some claim that the church is absolved from such . That's not true.

1Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.?


Some may argue that Paul did live on the church income . Well it's only in Corinth he did that . He had to work to earn a living not because he was not entitled to welfare or support but because of their carnality just like some nairaladers. It's his choice but it's not a bad idea . Besides it's not a big deal . 90% of pastors today work as bankers , oil workers ,busunesmen , lecturers etc and they don't collect a dime for support .you can find out from winners ,redeem,Christ embassy etc . The pastors are volunteers Only few pastors are into full time ministry because of their responsibilities . Some have to resign from lucrative jobs . Like a pastor in CEC . Lanre Alabi who was the highest paid black man in chevron . He let the job go because of ministerial responsibilities . Likewise pastors in other denominations. All these propaganda are sponsored by the enemy of the church ,

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Re: Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles by petra1(m): 7:30am On Nov 09, 2017
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Re: Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles by GavelSlam: 7:47am On Nov 09, 2017
Are you from the tribe of Levi?

On what basis should a pastor be receiving tithe when he's a Nigerian?

Is tithing practised in Israel?

If so, please tell us how they go about it.

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Re: Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles by petra1(m): 7:57am On Nov 09, 2017
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Re: Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles by GavelSlam: 7:58am On Nov 09, 2017
petra1:
@GavelSlam

You may modify your post . I was still retyping when you posted . Read the post again I believe it answers you
I'll modify when you are done if necessary.
Re: Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles by petra1(m): 10:33am On Nov 09, 2017
GavelSlam:

I'll modify when you are done if necessary.
I’m done
Re: Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles by GavelSlam: 10:34am On Nov 09, 2017
petra1:

I’m done

I have nothing to modify.

I stick to my earlier contribution.

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Re: Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles by ScepticalPyrrho: 2:04pm On Nov 09, 2017
petra1

Deut 14 v 25. then exchange your tithe for silver, and take the silver with you and go to the place the Lord your God will choose.

Going by the above quote, tithes isn't money or cash.

The Bible-era used silver and gold as money. The above quoted verse instructed the jews to exchange tithes for silver(money). This means tithes isn't money!

Tithes was food!!

Then brought all Judah the tithe of the corn and the new wine and the oil unto the treasuries.
- Nehemiah 13:12 KJV


And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's : it is holy unto the Lord .
- Leviticus 27:30 KJV

And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the Lord .
- Leviticus 27:32 KJV

Tithes is food, not just for Levites....

When thou hast made an end of tithing all the tithes of thine increase the third year, which is the year of tithing, and hast given it unto the Levite, the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, that they may eat within thy gates, and be filled;
- Deuteronomy 26:12 KJV

Then this... Pastors' favourite verse.

Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
- Malachi 3:10 KJV

But what do we have? Some people taking advantage of the poor.

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Re: Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles by Xtianvic(m): 2:43pm On Nov 09, 2017
1. The bible recorded that tithe was not paid with money but farm produce. But your pastors tell you to pay in cash.

2. Only the tribe of Levi was entitled to collect tithe and they had no possession in Israel. But your pastors are not from the tribe of Levi and collect tithe with is punishable by death and have numerous possessions and even fly on private jets.

3. If you read Malachi 3 from verse 6, you will come to realise that he was referring to a NATION which is the country of israel

4. There is an additional 5% penalty for those that didnt pay exact 10%. how many times have you pay it knowing that you are certain of what you 10% is.

5. These pastors took from the law the law of tithing that would fetch money and dropped others like various sacrifices that would not fetch money. They also monetized dedication of children both male and female not regarding the law said the first male child that opened the womb.

6. If read hebrews 7, the chapter talks about tithing, you will see that the writer excluded himself from tithing because there is a change of order.

7. In the new order Christ is the Chief Priest while we all are priest, so no priest pays tithe to another priest.

Petra1

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Re: Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles by spongeisback: 2:51pm On Nov 09, 2017
Why do you Christians like to make things so complicated for yourselves? Is your god a slowpoke that you've to explain and re-explain what he said? Enough of this tithing bullshît. Your story book made it clear that tithe is meant for food not for church building or whatever you modern scammers use it for but for FOOD!

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Re: Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles by petra1(m): 2:29pm On Nov 10, 2017
Xtianvic:
1. The bible recorded that tithe was not paid with money but farm produce. But your pastors tell you to pay in cash.

What Abraham gave Melchizedek was not farm produce . The Jew paid tithes in cash and kind.

Luke 18:12
I fast twice a week and tithe on all my income


2. Only the tribe of Levi was entitled to collect tithe and they had no possession in Israel. But your pastors are not from the tribe of Levi and collect tithe with is punishable by death and have numerous possessions and even fly on private jets.

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel


Tithes and offerings belongs to God . Levites received support from the tithes and offerings not because of their tribe . Remember Melchizedek was not a Levites . It's because they were not allowed to work and earn money . Same things goes for pastors. Not every pastor receive income . 90% of pastors are volunteers . They have their jobs as teachers ,oil workers ,bankers etc

3. If you read Malachi 3 from verse 6, you will come to realise that he was referring to a NATION which is the country of israel

It was written for people of God . Abraham was not a Jew . Proselytes were gentile worshippers of a God through Judaism . So it's not only Israelites that had the law

4. There is an additional 5% penalty for those that didnt pay exact 10%. how many times have you pay it knowing that you are certain of what you 10% is.

I'm not doing redemption

5. These pastors took from the law the law of tithing that would fetch money and dropped others like various sacrifices that would not fetch money. They also monetized dedication of children both male and female not regarding the law said the first male child that opened the womb.

You're wrong. Pastors are number 1 tithers and givers. Many pastors have jobs . Such don't depend on the church .

6. If read hebrews 7, the chapter talks about tithing, you will see that the writer excluded himself from tithing because there is a change of order.

7. In the new order Christ is the Chief Priest while we all are priest, so no priest pays tithe to another priest.


Melchizedek order came before levitical order . It was a tithe collecting order . After Levitical order is gone . We are back to order of Melchizedek and Christ is our high priest in the order of Melchizedek. A tithe collecting order forever !!

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Re: Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles by petra1(m): 2:32pm On Nov 10, 2017
spongeisback:
Why do you Christians like to make things so complicated for yourselves? Is your god a slowpoke that you've to explain and re-explain what he said? Enough of this tithing bullshît. Your story book made it clear that tithe is meant for food not for church building or whatever you modern scammers use it for but for FOOD!

1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

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Re: Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles by Saverin: 2:35pm On Nov 10, 2017
What business do I have with the Jewish God? This is why I respect the Japanese. No time for nonsense.

Pay your 10% of your money to "man of God" who uses it as he pleases without accountability. #Sheeples

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Re: Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles by petra1(m): 3:07pm On Nov 10, 2017
GavelSlam:
Are
On what basis should a pastor be receiving tithe when he's a Nigerian?

Is tithe given to pastors? Tithes and offerings are given to God.

Is tithing practised in Israel?

If so, please tell us how they go about it.

You tell us
Re: Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles by GavelSlam: 3:14pm On Nov 10, 2017
petra1:


Is tithe given to pastors or God?



You tell us


It is given to pastors.

Simple question I asked ; people in Israel must have been tithing for generations not so? If so, how do they do it?
Re: Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles by petra1(m): 3:50pm On Nov 10, 2017
GavelSlam:

It is given to pastor

Kindly explain it . He carries the offering bags and collects?

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Re: Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles by GavelSlam: 3:52pm On Nov 10, 2017
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No it levitates unto the heavens.

Is God a member of the board of trustees?

Does God sign cheques?

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Re: Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles by plainbibletruth: 4:09pm On Nov 10, 2017
1.It is clear that Abraham's tithe was spoils of war which he gave AFTER he was blessed by Melchizedek. Nothing here suggests that it was MANDATORY for him to have done that.

2. The statement by the Pharisee in Luke 18 in CONTEXT was made out of ARROGANCE and reference to tithing income shows how the Pharisees, like many pastors of today, go beyond God's prescriptions to do their own thing. Jesus fought them on many occasions on this point. Using the very same Pharisees that Jesus CONDEMNED to justify monetary tithing is, to say the least, deceitful.

3. The prescribed tithe in Israel was for the support of the Levites. The Levites were to OWN NO LAND. Therefore part of the PRODUCE OF THE LAND by other Israelites were to be given to them. There was no "SPIRITUAL" connotation attached to it.

4. Israel as the people of God was a NATIONAL ENTITY. The church today is a SPIRITUAL ENTITY without geographical boundaries. Rightly dividing the Word should mean that Pastors should teach and APPLY this truth correctly.

5. Jesus's priesthood IS SUPERIOR TO ANY that existed prior to it. And this INCLUDES that of Melchizedek. The reference in Hebrews comparing Jesus's priesthood to Melchizedek was ONLY to point out SIMILARITY and not EQUALITY.

6. The book of Hebrews was therefore clear that "For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also." (Heb 7:12).
There is no reference here to returning to either a "pre-law" or "eternal principles"(whatever that means). It simply stated that "The law MUST be changed" showing that a NEW SYSTEM is introduced NOT a return to ANY OF the previous systems.

7. One thing Pastors today REFUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE AND EMPHASIZE is that EVERY BELIEVER is a priest with EQUAL STANDING before God. Yes there are differing gifts resulting in different OFFICES but NO believer is SUPERIOR to another.
A pastor who fails in his assigned position will end up with NOTHING - wood, hay & stubble - in eternity while the ordinary believer who becomes a winner in life (overcomer) will possess wealth beyond measure - gold, silver & precious stones - in eternity.
The New Testament is CLEAR as to how the Christian is to give and how ministers are to be supported. Examples abound in the New Testament as to how believers gave and directives for giving. Going beyond what the New Covenant prescribes is entangling the believer in a yoke of bondage.

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Re: Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles by petra1(m): 4:19pm On Nov 10, 2017
plainbibletruth:
1.It is clear that Abraham's tithe was spoils of war which he gave AFTER he was blessed by Melchizedek. Nothing here suggests that it was MANDATORY for him to have done that.

No one says tithes is mandatory . Everything is by your will . What matters is that Tithing is a principle in the kingdom of God just as offering ,prayer ,almsgiving ,fasting are spiritutual principles . You choose to do or not to do . Tithing is not done away with as well as , offering ,prayers ,almsgiving etc

If Abraham could be diligent enough to give tithe even from war how much more from his wealth and earning !!!
Re: Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles by petra1(m): 4:24pm On Nov 10, 2017
plainbibletruth:

2. The statement by the Pharisee in Luke 18 in CONTEXT was made out of ARROGANCE and reference to tithing income shows how the Pharisees, like many pastors of today, go beyond God's prescriptions to do their own thing. Jesus fought them on many occasions on this point. Using the very same Pharisees that Jesus CONDEMNED to justify monetary tithing is, to say the least, deceitful

Under the law money was used for tithes and offerings

Leviticus 27:27
And if it be of an unclean beast, then he shall redeem it according to thine estimation, and shall add a fifth part of it thereto: or if it be not redeemed, then it shall be sold according to thy estimation

Leviticus 27:31
31 And if a man wants to redeem any of his tithe, he shall add a fifth to it.

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Re: Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles by plainbibletruth: 7:04pm On Nov 10, 2017

petra1
No one says tithes is mandatory . Everything is by your will . What matters is that Tithing is a principle in the kingdom of God just as offering ,prayer ,almsgiving ,fasting are spiritutual principles . You choose to do or not to do . Tithing is not done away with as well as , offering ,prayers ,almsgiving etc

If Abraham could be diligent enough to give tithe even from war how much more from his wealth and earning !!!
1. If a pastor says a Christian is cursed if he doesn't tithe and you think that does not amount to calling tithing mandatory then something is wrong somewhere.
2. Your comment on Abraham tithing from his wealth and earning is MERE speculation; you're going beyond what is stated in Scripture. That is simply your imagination!!!


petra1:


Under the law money was used for tithes and offerings

Leviticus 27:27
And if it be of an unclean beast, then he shall redeem it according to thine estimation, and shall add a fifth part of it thereto: or if it be not redeemed, then it shall be sold according to thy estimation

Leviticus 27:31
31 And if a man wants to redeem any of his tithe, he shall add a fifth to it.

Whao!!
You mean you see money used as tithes in these passages you quoted?
No wonder!

The CONCLUSION of the matter is this: The Christian is under a NEW COVENANT that is SUPERIOR to ANY COVENANT before it. The modus vivendi and modus operandi of the New Covenant is DIFFERENT from the former systems - pre-law or under the Law. The GAME PLAN for the Christian way of life under the New Covenant is CLEARLY spelt out in the EPISTLES.

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Re: Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles by petra1(m): 6:40am On Nov 12, 2017
plainbibletruth:

1. If a pastor says a Christian is cursed if he doesn't tithe and you think that does not amount to calling tithing mandatory then something is wrong somewhere.

That's a communication issue. Everybody communicates differently . If I say prayer is a must " does that mean I've entered into legalism and by that prayer should never be observed ? Hope you see my point. The communication doesn't negate the principle .

Whao!!
You mean you see money used as tithes in these passages you quoted?
No wonder!

Yes . Money was used to redeem . Also people give money value for unclean things and perishable things . You can't bring tomatoes to the temple . You sell and bring the money .temple only accepted grain and clean animal . All the other farmers sell and pay cash

Luke 18:12 (AMP)
I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I gain.cus 27:31 (NLT)

Matthew 23:23 (NLT)
“. . . . For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens,

Matthew 23:23 (Message)
". . . . You keep meticulous account books, tithing on every nickel and dime you get,

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The CONCLUSION of the matter is this: The Christian is under a NEW COVENANT that is SUPERIOR to ANY COVENANT before it. The modus vivendi and modus operandi of the New Covenant is DIFFERENT from the former systems - pre-law or under the Law. The GAME PLAN for the Christian way of life under the New Covenant is CLEARLY spelt out in the EPISTLES.

Do you give offering in church ? Do you pray, If yes, then you should tithe also . They are all principles before the law came
Re: Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles by Realhommie(m): 6:42am On Nov 12, 2017
GavelSlam:

I have nothing to modify.
I stick to my earlier contribution.
gringrin

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Re: Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles by 1stflight: 6:56am On Nov 12, 2017
petra1:

The kingdom of God runs on principles . These principles cut across dispensations. Principles such and giving of tithes and offerings are unending . The structures may differ but the principles are constant . Just like other principles such as alms for the poor or Honoring your father and mother ,praying to God , fasting etc. It is wrong to say such are done away with the law.

It was not the origin. We are children of Abraham our father of faith who's faith we follow . The law only reminded people of God of existing kingdom principles.

Tithe and offerings are given to God and it is used for work of service in Gods house also welfare and support of the full time workers in Gods house. Some claim that the church is absolved from such . That's not true.

1Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.?


Some may argue that Paul did live on the church income . Well it's only in Corinth he did that . He had to work to earn a living not because he was not entitled to welfare or support but because of their carnality just like some nairaladers. It's his choice but it's not a bad idea . Besides it's not a big deal . 90% of pastors today work as bankers , oil workers ,busunesmen , lecturers etc and they don't collect a dime for support .you can find out from winners ,redeem,Christ embassy etc . The pastors are volunteers Only few pastors are into full time ministry because of their responsibilities . Some have to resign from lucrative jobs . Like a pastor in CEC . Lanre Alabi who was the highest paid black man in chevron . He let the job go because of ministerial responsibilities . Likewise pastors in other denominations. All these propaganda are sponsored by the enemy of the church ,












I like your post.
Let me tell you this is what happens when all Dick, Tom And Harry claim to be man of God and what to open a church at the slightest opportunity, collect tithe and offering.

Everyday you here news of scams, fight, immorality about this so called men of God yet you want people to keep quiet that whatever they like they can do with the money......

There is really urgent need for a re-awakening, we need to break free from the culturescape which includes religion. Better be spiritual. As a fact religion has done more harm than good. If you ask me other names for religion are hypocrisy, confusion etc.


"I like your christ but i dont like your christians" -Ghandi.

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Re: Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles by petra1(m): 2:30pm On Nov 12, 2017
1stflight:


I like your post.

Thank you


Let me tell you this is what happens when all Dick, Tom And Harry claim to be man of God and what to open a church at the slightest opportunity, collect tithe and offering.

Men of God don't collect offerings nor tithes. Ushers do.
Re: Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles by Peacefullove: 3:24pm On Nov 12, 2017
petra1:

Is tithe given to pastors? Tithes and offerings are given to God.


You tell us
Mr , why didn't Jesus apostles collect tithes ?

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Re: Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles by 1stflight: 4:15pm On Nov 12, 2017
petra1:

Thank you



Men of God don't collect offerings nor tithes. Ushers do.
I dont understand again ooo....
Ushers??....on there own volition

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Re: Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles by petra1(m): 9:53pm On Nov 12, 2017
Peacefullove:


Mr , why didn't Jesus apostles collect tithes ?

We don't know if they did or not . At least they collect offerings and Judas was the treasurer
Re: Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles by petra1(m): 10:04pm On Nov 12, 2017
ScepticalPyrrho:
petra1



Going by the above quote, tithes isn't money or cash.

The Bible-era used silver and gold as money. The above quoted verse instructed the jews to exchange tithes for silver(money). This means tithes isn't money!

We are not bound by mosaic law. Tithing has been in existence 400 years before the law.

Tithes was food!!

The Jews had three kinds of tithes .only one is the sacred one given to God the other 2 were shared for the poor and shared in love feast .

We are not tithing based on the law We are not under the law
Re: Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles by ScepticalPyrrho: 10:15pm On Nov 12, 2017
petra1:


We are not bound by mosaic law. Tithing has been in existence 400 years before the law.



The Jews had three kinds of tithes .only one is the sacred one given to God the other 2 were shared for the poor and shared in love feast .

We are not tithing based on the law We are not under the law








Which one do they give to God?
how is it given to God?
And how do God collect these "sacred" tithes?

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Re: Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles by Peacefullove: 11:31am On Nov 13, 2017
petra1:


We don't know if they did or not .

Your Bible said do not go beyond what is written , Is there any record of Apostles collecting tithes ?

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Re: Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles by petra1(m): 11:55am On Nov 13, 2017
Peacefullove:


Your Bible said do not go beyond what is written , Is there any record of Apostles collecting tithes ?

Those who want to absolve their consciences from giving are only looking for loop holes to hide . Parallel principle runs in both old and New Testament . Just as welfare from ministers in the temple came from tithes and offering the Pauls tells us same thing applies to New Testament ministers .

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

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