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Ibo, Hausa And Yoruba Are Not Indegenous Africans by Theydontcare: 7:26pm On Jan 05, 2018
With all the chest beating and quest to dominate one another, they are actually not indigenous people of Africa. The Bantus are more indigenous than all theses tribes. Why fighting. Let these tribes combine their effort and rewrite their history as a people. Consolidate and grow from there.
Re: Ibo, Hausa And Yoruba Are Not Indegenous Africans by goestohell: 7:32pm On Jan 05, 2018
Theydontcare:
With all the chest beating and quest to dominate one another, they are actually not indigenous people of Africa. The Bantus are more indigenous than all theses tribes. Why fighting. Let these tribes combine their effort and rewrite their history as a people. Consolidate and grow from there.


You're quite right. They must be indigenous Martians.

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Re: Ibo, Hausa And Yoruba Are Not Indegenous Africans by macof(m): 8:52pm On Jan 05, 2018
Gotohellosewa:



You're quite right. They must be indigenous Martians.
grin grin

We are not even indigenous to this galaxy

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Re: Ibo, Hausa And Yoruba Are Not Indegenous Africans by Hati13(m): 10:03pm On Jan 05, 2018
I sometimes don't understand why some Africans aren't proud of their identity. Keep in mind that Africa is very rich, so don't fall for the whitewash things.

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Re: Ibo, Hausa And Yoruba Are Not Indegenous Africans by RedboneSmith(m): 11:06pm On Jan 05, 2018
Theydontcare:
With all the chest beating and quest to dominate one another, they are actually not indigenous people of Africa. The Bantus are more indigenous than all theses tribes. Why fighting. Let these tribes combine their effort and rewrite their history as a people. Consolidate and grow from there.

Bantus are what?

LOL.

We West Africans had already settled the lands we occupy today (much of it anyway) before the Bantus branched off from us to settle the lands they occupy today.

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Re: Ibo, Hausa And Yoruba Are Not Indegenous Africans by 9jakool: 11:16pm On Jan 05, 2018
Theydontcare:
With all the chest beating and quest to dominate one another, they are actually not indigenous people of Africa. The Bantus are more indigenous than all theses tribes. Why fighting. Let these tribes combine their effort and rewrite their history as a people. Consolidate and grow from there.
What ethnic group are you?/where are you from?

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Re: Ibo, Hausa And Yoruba Are Not Indegenous Africans by cooljude(m): 4:42pm On Jan 06, 2018
Lies! Bantu originated from a region between West Africa and Cameroon.

We are indigenous Africans forget those useless stories that we came from the middle East.

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Re: Ibo, Hausa And Yoruba Are Not Indegenous Africans by Nobody: 7:38pm On Jan 06, 2018
Theydontcare:
With all the chest beating and quest to dominate one another, they are actually not indigenous people of Africa. The Bantus are more indigenous than all theses tribes. Why fighting. Let these tribes combine their effort and rewrite their history as a people. Consolidate and grow from there.

Whatever game you are playing, please leave Hausas out if it.

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Re: Ibo, Hausa And Yoruba Are Not Indegenous Africans by nobaga: 4:25am On Jan 07, 2018
Leave Hausa out of what?

Check out the tribal marks of Sudanese, Hausa and Ijebu - the same.

AlderFadington

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Whatever game you are playing, please leave Hausas out if it.

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Re: Ibo, Hausa And Yoruba Are Not Indegenous Africans by Nobody: 4:56am On Jan 07, 2018
nobaga:
Leave Hausa out of what?

Check out the tribal marks of Sudanese, Hausa and Ijebu - the same.


First of all you don't know what Hausa tribal marks look like. Secondly, similarity of tribal marks prove nothing. Thirdly, did you know you just compared an ethnic group, Hausa with locations, Sudan and ijebu. Fourthly, did you know there are Hausas in these locations you speak of?

Subsequently, we have never claimed that we were from anywhere other than Africa, we have never claimed we were anything other than africans. Our history never dictated we are anythibg other than africans. I don't know why we ought to be brought into this.

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Re: Ibo, Hausa And Yoruba Are Not Indegenous Africans by ImperialYoruba: 9:38pm On Jan 07, 2018
RedboneSmith:


Bantus are what?

LOL.

We West Africans had already settled the lands we occupy today (much of it anyway) before the Bantus branched off from us to settle the lands they occupy today.


Which group produced Bantu?

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Re: Ibo, Hausa And Yoruba Are Not Indegenous Africans by ImperialYoruba: 9:41pm On Jan 07, 2018
AlderFadington:


First of all you don't know what Hausa tribal marks look like. Secondly, similarity of tribal marks prove nothing. Thirdly, did you know you just compared an ethnic group, Hausa with locations, Sudan and ijebu. Fourthly, did you know there are Hausas in these locations you speak of?

Subsequently, we have never claimed that we were from anywhere other than African, we have never claimed we were anything other than africans. Our history never dictated we are anythibg other than africans. I don't know why we ought to be brought into this.

Shut up there and dont spoil this review. You cant be excluded just because you say so. Who are you?

OP, leave Hausa included in the review.
Re: Ibo, Hausa And Yoruba Are Not Indegenous Africans by Nobody: 11:30pm On Jan 07, 2018
ImperialYoruba:


Shut up there and dont spoil this review. You cant be excluded just because you say so. Who are you?

OP, leave Hausa included in the review.

Lol. Okay you angry troll. Im just saying, we should be excluded because we're not supposed to be in here in the first place. We never claimed we are not african, our history certainly has never claimed we are not Africans? Igbos are from Israel, Yorubas from Mecca, we never claimed non African origin, nothing suggest we are non African so why are we included in this again? When you lot are trying to solve your confusion I just don't understand why you also have to include us in your madness.

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Re: Ibo, Hausa And Yoruba Are Not Indegenous Africans by Nobody: 11:36pm On Jan 07, 2018
Hati13:
I sometimes don't understand why some Africans aren't proud of their identity. Keep in mind that Africa is very rich, so don't fall for the whitewash things.

The inferiority complex that has been dealt into Africans especially those prone to western culture is too deep, even though they'll never admit it you can always see it in their actions. Claiming origin from one hilarious place to another just to dissociate themselves from africa. It'd be damn sad if it wasn't so hilarious.

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Re: Ibo, Hausa And Yoruba Are Not Indegenous Africans by Wulfruna(f): 6:44am On Jan 08, 2018
AlderFadington:


Lol. Okay you angry troll. Im just saying, we should be excluded because we're not supposed to be in here in the first place. We never claimed we are not african, our history certainly has never claimed we are not Africans? Igbos are from Israel, Yorubas from Mecca, we never claimed non African origin, nothing suggest we are non African so why are we included in this again? When you lot are trying to solve your confusion I just don't understand why you also have to include us in your madness.

*cough* Baghdad *cough*

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Re: Ibo, Hausa And Yoruba Are Not Indegenous Africans by Nobody: 7:30am On Jan 08, 2018
Wulfruna:


*cough* Baghdad *cough*

Lol what youre referring to speaks of a man who came and met people and then married a Hausa queen.

Bayajidda is seen as more of a founder of states than a progenitor or ancestor because we as a people existed before him.

His name means "he didn't understand (the language that is) before" meaning he did not speak Hausa before.

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Re: Ibo, Hausa And Yoruba Are Not Indegenous Africans by Wulfruna(f): 7:54am On Jan 08, 2018
AlderFadington:


Lol what youre referring to speaks of a man who came and met people and then married a Hausa queen.

Bayajidda is seen as more of a founder of states than a progenitor or ancestor because we as a people existed before him.

His name means "he didn't understand (the language that is) before" meaning he did not speak Hausa before.

How is that different from what some Igbos and Yorubas believe about their own history?

When Eri came from 'Israel', he met Igbo people there. Tradition only says Eri came and united scattered hamlets along the Anambra River. There are still groups of people (Adama in Nri, Nudu in Igbariam, Okpu in Aguleri) who affirm that they were in existence before the arrival of Eri.

When Oduduwa came from 'Arabia', he met Yoruba people there. Ile-Ife was already a cluster of thirteen chiefdoms each headed by an Oba before Oduduwa came and unified them into a city and then a kingdom.

Nobody has ever made the claim that Yoruba- and Igboland were empty of people before these legendary figures arrived.

BTW, I said "some" because many Yorubas and Igbos do not believe that these culture heroes came from the middle east at all. Even here on NL, you'll see a number of them strongly attacking the claims. Professional historians of both ethnicities, do not subscribe to the middle east stories at all. Only quacks and very gullible people.

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Re: Ibo, Hausa And Yoruba Are Not Indegenous Africans by Wulfruna(f): 7:56am On Jan 08, 2018
Wait, isn't Bayajidda supposed to be a corruption of Abu Yazid?

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Re: Ibo, Hausa And Yoruba Are Not Indegenous Africans by Nobody: 7:59am On Jan 08, 2018
Wulfruna:
Wait, isn't Bayajidda supposed to be a corruption of Abu Yazid?

Whoever he is we never claimed he was our ancestor. We never claimed we descended from him.

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Re: Ibo, Hausa And Yoruba Are Not Indegenous Africans by Nobody: 8:06am On Jan 08, 2018
Wulfruna:


How is that different from what some Igbos and Yorubas believe about their own history?

When Eri came from 'Israel', he met Igbo people there. Tradition only says Eri came and united scattered hamlets along the Anambra River. There are still groups of people (Adama in Nri, Nudu in Igbariam, Okpu in Aguleri) who affirm that they were in existence before the arrival of Eri.

When Oduduwa came from 'Arabia', he met Yoruba people there. Ile-Ife was already a cluster of thirteen chiefdoms each headed by an Oba before Oduduwa came and unified them into a city and then a kingdom.

Nobody has ever made the claim that Yoruba- and Igboland were empty of people before these legendary figures arrived.

BTW, I said "some" because many Yorubas and Igbos do not believe that these culture heroes came from the middle east at all. Even here on NL, you'll see a number of them strongly attacking the claims. Professional historians of both ethnicities, do not subscribe to the middle east stories at all. Only quacks and very gullible people.

Don't go about perverting your "histories"or forwarding your opinion as that of the majority.

Igbos believe they're Israelis and are all over the place shouting lost tribe of Israel. Went as far as having Israelis come here to conduct DNA tests.

Yoruba see oduduwa as an ancestor. Some a God and generally the progenitor of the Yoruba race. We also have Yorubas all over this forum claiming origins from one end of the world to another.

You'll never see Hausas claiming they're from Baghdad on anywhere else. Our history book especially the kano chronicles specify that the abagawaya who were kanos first settlers were African and most of the migrants to Hausa land have been Africans afterwards bar a few figures.

We know who we are and are proud of who we are. Can you say the same about your people?

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Re: Ibo, Hausa And Yoruba Are Not Indegenous Africans by Wulfruna(f): 8:28am On Jan 08, 2018
AlderFadington:


Don't go about perverting your "histories"or forwarding your opinion as that of the majority.

Igbos believe they're Israelis and are all over the place shouting lost tribe of Israel. Went as far as having Israelis come here to conduct DNA tests.

Yoruba see oduduwa as an ancestor. Some a God and generally the progenitor of the Yoruba race. We also have Yorubas all over this forum claiming origins from one end of the world to another.

You'll never see Hausas claiming they're from Baghdad on anywhere else. Our history book especially the kano chronicles specify that the abagawayas who were kanos first settlers were African and most of the migrants to Hausa land has been Africans afterwards bar a few figures.

We know who we are and are proud of who we are. Can you say the same about your people?

Me, perverting our "histories"?

Okay.

You can believe what Middle-East wannabes post online if that is what you prefer. (They are actually the ones perverting history and tradition.)

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Re: Ibo, Hausa And Yoruba Are Not Indegenous Africans by Nobody: 8:34am On Jan 08, 2018
Wulfruna:


Me, perverting our "histories"?

Okay.

You can believe what Middle-East wannabes post online if that is what you prefer. (They are actually the ones perverting history and tradition.)



History was in quote to suggest that I questioned that narrative.

My point is the middle Eastern wannabes outnumber the rational ones. That is the problem in referring to.
Re: Ibo, Hausa And Yoruba Are Not Indegenous Africans by Epsilon5: 4:44pm On Jan 08, 2018
I didn't know Africans claimed to be from other places than Africa. Apparently that's where some of those African America s get thwir shame of being Afeican from and why they claim to be Israelites and Native Americans. Fruit don't fall far from the tree. Lol

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Re: Ibo, Hausa And Yoruba Are Not Indegenous Africans by Hati13(m): 6:41pm On Jan 08, 2018
AlderFadington:


The inferiority complex that has been dealt into Africans especially those prone to western culture is too deep, even though they'll never admit it you can always see it in their actions. Claiming origin from one hilarious place to another just to dissociate themselves from africa. It'd be damn sad if it wasn't so hilarious.
Truly said

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Re: Ibo, Hausa And Yoruba Are Not Indegenous Africans by ImperialYoruba: 12:12am On Jan 09, 2018
Wulfurna thanks for your responses to him.

Alderfaddington, do me a favor, what do you call twins in Hausa. What names do you give to them?
Re: Ibo, Hausa And Yoruba Are Not Indegenous Africans by Nobody: 1:05am On Jan 09, 2018
ImperialYoruba:
Wulfurna thanks for your responses to him.

Alderfaddington, do me a favor, what do you call twins in Hausa. What names do you give to them?

I appreciated her response and I'm glad we were able to arrive at a compromise. My point remains when you lot are bickering about your origins we need not be involved.

Twins are called "yan biyu". Usually given the names of the prophets grand children Hassan and hussain.

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Re: Ibo, Hausa And Yoruba Are Not Indegenous Africans by Hati13(m): 4:08am On Jan 09, 2018
AlderFadington,

Hey, I'm from Ethiopia and most us and you guys (Hausa) speak the same super family (Afroasiatic). This language originated in Ethiopia and this means some of your ancestors migrated to Nigeria from here.

Re: Ibo, Hausa And Yoruba Are Not Indegenous Africans by 9jakool: 5:07am On Jan 09, 2018
Hati13:
AlderFadington,

Hey, I'm from Ethiopia and most us and you guys (Hausa) speak the same super family (Afroasiatic). This language originated in Ethiopia and this means some of your ancestors migrated to Nigeria from here.

Not necessarily true. In terms of genetics, Hausas carry the paternal Chadic haplogroup marker R1b of the R1b1bc variety. R1b is an haplogroup found in Western Europe, pockets of Asia, and pockets of Africa. Although this haplogroup is taught by many to have originated in West Asia (Levant), there is still a lot of mystery surrounding its place of origin. In Africa, this marker can only be found in substantial amounts among Chadic speakers, as well as some neighboring Nilo-Saharan speaking groups in Nigeria, Chad, Niger and Northern Cameroon.

The Chadic language is very different from many other Afro-asiatic languages because unlike most Afro-Asiatic categories, it has tones. The closest branch in Afro-Asiatic to Chadic is Berber, particularly the Berber language of Siwa oasis in Western Egypt. This is no surprise, because the Siwa berbers are the only Berber group that carry the R1b marker in substantial amount.

I'm not entirely dismissing your theory, because Hausas also carry an array of other African haplogroups, but their Chadic maker is R1b1bc.

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Re: Ibo, Hausa And Yoruba Are Not Indegenous Africans by ImperialYoruba: 5:16am On Jan 09, 2018
AlderFadington:


I appreciated her response and I'm glad we were able to arrive at a compromise. My point remains when you lot are bickering about your origins we need not be involved.

Twins are called "yan biyu". Usually given the names of the prophets grand children Hassan and hussain.

Is Hassan and Hussain Hausa indigenous language, or is it Semitic?
Re: Ibo, Hausa And Yoruba Are Not Indegenous Africans by Nobody: 6:11am On Jan 09, 2018
ImperialYoruba:


Is Hassan and Hussain Hausa indigenous language, or is it Semitic?

If you're getting at what I think you're getting at then you're confused as to the issue at hand here.

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Re: Ibo, Hausa And Yoruba Are Not Indegenous Africans by Nobody: 6:24am On Jan 09, 2018
9jakool:


Not necessarily true. In terms of genetics, Hausas carry the paternal Chadic haplogroup marker R1b of the R1b1bc variety. R1b is an haplogroup found in Western Europe, pockets of Asia, and pockets of Africa. Although this haplogroup is taught by many to have originated in West Asia (Levant), there is still a lot of mystery surrounding its place of origin. In Africa, this marker can only be found in substantial amounts among Chadic speakers, as well as some neighboring Nilo-Saharan speaking groups in Nigeria, Chad, Niger and Northern Cameroon.

The Chadic language is very different from many other Afro-asiatic languages because unlike most Afro-Asiatic categories, it has tones. The closest branch in Afro-Asiatic to Chadic is Berber, particularly the Berber language of Siwa oasis in Western Egypt. This is no surprise, because the Siwa berbers are the only Berber group that carry the R1b marker in substantial amount.

I'm not entirely dismissing your theory, because Hausas also carry an array of other African haplogroups, but their Chadic maker is R1b1bc.

That's interesting because some speculate that abagayawa were north African Berbers (not that it matters). But overall Hausas and Berbers have had very fruituitous relationships for most of the last millenia so it's no surprise that of all afro Asiatic speakers berbers seem closest to us.

But that being said I'm not a fan of tracing the past. History is what it Is, history. No need for dwelling on it. What matters now is that we have our identity and should be content with it. No need having to go back and dig up what happened in the past I mean to what end? Here and now we are Hausas, and we speak Hausa, everything that happened in between is useless as far as I'm concerned.

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Re: Ibo, Hausa And Yoruba Are Not Indegenous Africans by Nobody: 6:28am On Jan 09, 2018
Hati13:
AlderFadington,

Hey, I'm from Ethiopia and most us and you guys (Hausa) speak the same super family (Afroasiatic). This language originated in Ethiopia and this means some of your ancestors migrated to Nigeria from here.

Yes. I have in fact heard this theory but it's one of many. It's certainly interesting but to be honest with you im really tired of all these blind swings at history. Unless a theory translates into a fact then I pay little mind to it.

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