soulpeppersoup:



You need to study your bible well.

Jesus came to end the sin issue with his blood. That is the only part of the law that he fulfilled. Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. - Matthew 5:17-18 (KJV) Any part of the law Jesus didn't fulfill his binding till tomorrow. He fulfilled the law of sacrifice.

For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: 6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
Hebrew 10:1-6 (KJV)


2. What is first fruit? According to Solomon anything that you get first that has the capacity to increase is your first fruit. "Honour the LORD with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:" Prov 3:9 (KJV)

Let's look at the first person that gave first fruit and what he gave because your thinking that first fruit must be about fruits. And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD. 4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering: Genesis 4:3-4 (KJV)

It says in the process of time. That means they have been working without giving to God until they got the revelation. Now watch what cain gave 'that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD' Now watch what Abel gave 'And Abel, he also[b] brought of the firstlings[/b] of his flock and of the fat thereof'. Cain just brought any thing while Abel brought the first of his flock.

God expected them to bring the first of their increase no matter their job.


3. The first man that paid tithe Abram paid tithe of all not tithe of his portion but tithe of all that was gotten. Tithe is 10% of all your increase. Hear Jacob, "And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on, 21 So that I come again to my father's house in peace; then shall the LORD be my God: 22 And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee." Genesis 28:20-22 (KJV)

You guys don't know why we give tithe. We give tithe to acknowledge and appreciate God for his input in our increase.

OkCornel:


Bros...read up Hebrews 7 v 12;

By the way...Jesus who is the author and finisher of our faith never stated "don't pay tithe" just as how He never stated "don't stop animal sacrifice"

1) Kindly tell us why you do not engage in animal sacrifice

2) Kindly tell us where God instructed tithes to be paid as 10% of salary and wages instead of 10% of crops and livestock...

3) Kindly tell us how you have been paying your tithes.


ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS NOW THAT I HAVE ANSWERED YOU

OkCornel:


In all these things you've quoted, I've not seen where God instructed tithes be paid on 10% of salary and wages as opposed to crops and livestock...

I've also not seen the connection on how Jesus has fulfilled the law...yet the false doctrine of obligatory monetary tithing is still mandatory on His followers

I bolded a part of your response in red. Are you preaching that Jesus fulfilled the Law partially or totally?

soulpeppersoup:


I can only teach, I can't help you to understand.

soulpeppersoup:



If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? 12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Heb 7:11-12 (KJV)


The priesthood that was changed was Aaron not Melchisedec who received tithe from Abram and still receiving tithe from the saint.

For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; 2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; 3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
Heb 7:1-3 (KJV)

So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee. 6 As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
Heb 5:5-6 (KJV)

What do Jesus do as our priest?

And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.
Heb 7:8 (KJV) Jesus is alive in heaven receiving your tithe as your high priest. Your pastor is your employee.

paxonel:

Hebrews 7:5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a COMMANDMENT to take tithes of the people according to the LAW, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:

You see am so?
You don read am finish?
Oya open your dictionary and tell me the difference between commandment and law

OkCornel:


What does Hebrew 7 v 12&18 say?

soulpeppersoup:


No wonder you don't understand. I told you earlier I can only teach you but can't make you understand. Hebrew 7:11-12 was quoted by me in the very post you just quoted me but you didn't see it.

OkCornel:


I saw it, but I wanted to confirm if you really understood the straightforward message in there...

1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
Hebrews 7

12 For if the Priesthood be changed, then of necessity must there be a change of the Law

18 For the commandment that went afore, is disannulled, because of the weakness thereof, and unprofitableness.

DOES THIS LIGHT A BULB UPSTAIRS?

soulpeppersoup:


No because my Bible said so. From what has been accredited to him here I had to log in to see who would man up to bring the topic as he stated it without a personal in put.

Are you up to the task?

soulpeppersoup:


What priesthood was changed should help you. The priesthood of Aaron to whom to melkezedec who received the first tithe of who Christ is changed to.

Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 2 Peter 1:20 (KJV)

Study the word to learn not to argue. Go study that hebrew cahpter 5 and chapter 7.

jeruzi:
You are wrong about me and the post. I never said tithe was mandatory. The truth is that in the bid for freeze to buttress his point against the men of God, he has gone into error. If you are conversant with his posts, you should know what I am talking about. This has gone beyond tithe.

Also, the way he approached the issue of tithing is unlike a Christian, and I believe you should know this except you are not deep in the Christian race. He showed no respect, no humility. No true Character of a born again. You can go through what I wrote again in order to understand my point.



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damosky12:



Jesus had not come.

paxonel:

Then what are they using the funds for?

saintmark88:

Very weak reply

OkCornel:


Whose Priesthood are we under...and which Law has been changed?

If we are under the Priesthood of Jesus, does the Laws of the Old Covenant still apply? or has this Law been replaced by the requirements of the new covenant which is Love for God and Man?

Do you want further explanations with all sorts of concordance to back this up?

mrvitalis:

Lol you need to read first

OkaiCorne:


What of Job who isn't a Jew?

What of our ancestors that lived righteous and pious lives without hearing of Jesus?

legislatively:
I advice you overlook his person and focus on his message.

We won't be able to pass the message if he doesn't have like this, he needs to be very mean at presenting this for it to make an impact, still the most important thing is the message.

jeruzi:
well, you can't separate the messanger from the message. Take your time and look at his views on other Biblical issues apart from tithe, and see the deviation from the truth.

Idecievedyou:
when freeze said love takes you to heaven I think he meant it deeper than an ordinary man's understanding.. truely It was said in the Bible that we need to confess Jesus..but I will take you back to 1000years ago and think about the time past before Africa ever heard about jesus..ask your self whether our ancestors over millions of them are saved from the wrath of God knowing the fact that they know nothing about jesus...will God be fair on the decision of punishing a generation that knows nothing about his son(jesus)..our God is a JUST God all knowing God who already settled this problem before the arival of Christ by giving human the greatest commandment which is LOVE, u must love because God him self is love..and for you to be perfect ur must have love in ur heart for any one to be upright it starts with learning to love...the afairs of life is buried in LOVE...and it plays down to our generation..first of all you need to ask your self who is the teacher of this Love...Jesus same as God who already gave the commandment before his arival in human form don't be deceived for you to love means you already have JESUS(GOD)

soulpeppersoup:


And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.
Heb 7:8 (KJV)

Who receive tithe there and where is he?

Why did Jesus came? people like you don't even know why Jesus came. And his purpose of coming.

We are under the priesthood of melkezedec (christ). Abram paid tithe to him, Aaron and the levi did too in Abram. And he is still there receiving it unless yours never rose from dead.

The priesthood of Aaron was changed to melkezedec (christ).

I don't know how you people read the bible. When you study the ten commandment it divided into loving God and loving man. Jesus didn't put it off, He summarized it. Paul said the law gave power to sin. Before the law there was sin but it had no power as under the law. And before the law was christ receiving tithe in melkezedec from Abram.

Christ in the new testament wasn't a priest till he died, rose and was sitted at the right hand of God making intercessor for us after the other of melkezedec. The bible says he is receiving tithe up there as our priest.

I just don't know how to communicate this to your level of knowledge.

damosky12:



Romans 2:14-16
[14]For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
[15]Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
[16]In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.



However, its harder to please God via this medium. Hence, the coming of Jesus. A man believes the gospel and is saved.

Mark 16:16
[16]He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

jeruzi:
You are wrong about me and the post. I never said tithe was mandatory. The truth is that in the bid for freeze to buttress his point against the men of God, he has gone into error. If you are conversant with his posts, you should know what I am talking about. This has gone beyond tithe.

Also, the way he approached the issue of tithing is unlike a Christian, and I believe you should know this except you are not deep in the Christian race. He showed no respect, no humility. No true Character of a born again. You can go through what I wrote again in order to understand my point.



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soulpeppersoup:


Now read from verse one.


For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; 2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; 3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. 4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils. 5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham: 6 But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises. 7 And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better. 8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.

Heb 7:1-8 (KJV)

Melchisedec whom Abram paid tithe was Christ, he was not a levi nor was Abram his brethren. Verse 7 says he liveth as who christ. Tithe is only paid to christ through levi or pastors. Church members are brethren of Christ. For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren, 12 Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.
Heb 2:11-12 (KJV)

Tithe started with Abram before the law. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
John 1:17 (KJV)


Why did Moses bring tithe into the law? The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever. Deut 29:29 (KJV)

asuustrike2009:

Go through all my comments on tithe to see bible verses on tithe. Let me just give three chapters for you to study because they are many chapters in the Bible that support tithe. Lev 27:30-32,num 18:20-32, mal 3:8-10

asuustrike2009:

Oga wise up because the beast is at work.

soulpeppersoup:


Bring it up now to my knowledge.

OkCornel:


I understand you, however my question still borders on those that are living in the Amazon Forest for example, who have never heard of Jesus despite all the technologies of today...what will be their fate?

I think Revelation 20 v 11-15 gives more insight;

Revelation 20:11-15

1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
11 And I saw a great white throne, and one that sat on it, from whose face fled away both the earth and heaven, and their place was no more found.

12 And I saw the dead, both great and small stand before God: and the books were opened, and another book was opened, which is the book of life, and the dead were judged of those things, which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up her dead, which were in her, and death and hell delivered up the dead, which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death, and hell were cast into the lake of fire: this is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life, was cast into the lake of fire.


Pay close attention to Revelation 20 v 13. Many christians of today have fallen into the subtle trap of practicing a dead faith...and by this I mean, Faith without works (tangible fruits or results to show for it) is dead. A dead faith cannot qualify one for Heaven...if in doubt;

a) Check out Jesus' reaction to a barren fig tree

b) Read up the Parable of the Talents

c) Read up Jesus' sermon on the vine...

damosky12:



You clearly didn't read the first scripture I posted.

You also have to know that the book of Revelation isn't interpreted literally, being a prophetic book. Its got to be in line with the epistles.

Only believers are judged by God on the last days according to their works to be regarded according to what they did in the flesh.

1 Corinthians 3:13-15
[13]Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
[14]If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
[15]If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

That was talking to Christian.

The unbeliever does not need to be judged. He is condemned already. Mark 16:16 says: Whosoever believeth not shall be dammed (condemned). He is condemned the moment he rejects the Gospel.

Also see John 3:18

"...but he that believeth not on him is CONDEMNED ALREADY, because he hath not believed on the name of the only begotten son of God.

These unbelievers aren't the ones to stand before God. Only the believers will stand before God to be rewarded bases on their works. That day is the day Paul alludes to

2Timothy 4:8 Henceforth is laud up for me a crown of righteousness which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day...

Not everyone will meet God. Nope!

Hebrews 12:14
...without which no man shall see the Lord.

So how will all men stand before God?

Revelations 20: 12-13, when read contextually deals with those whose names are written. They are the ones standing before God being judged ACCORDING TO THEIR WORKS. Note, the things they did were written in the book of life (verse 12). Apparently, that couldn't refer to all since not all are written in the book of life.

Clearly, its a judgement of reward.

Verse 14-15 then deals with those not written in the book. These Ines, remember, have been condemned already. They aren't standing before God.

paxonel:

All these verses you combined together, they do not correlate among themselves therefore you cannot see what Paul was trying to explain to the Jews like that in that scripture.

For instance, verse 3 of that scripture says
....having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but MADE LIKE unto the Son of God.

someone that is made like unto another person is just analogy between the two people involved, it does not mean the person is that person in question.
It does not mean that Melchizedek was Christ himself(if you have differentiated between simile and metaphor).
So, Melchizedek could not possibly be Christ himself but he perhaps was like Christ.
Yes it is true that God made a oath with Melchizedek before he gave the law to Moses and brought out a high priest which is Christ in the order of Melchizedek,

But saying that Abram paid tithe to Melchizedek in the order of Christ or he paid to Christ himself simply because Paul draw analogy which shows similarity between Jesus and Melchizedek, do not follow at all.

It is also true that there was tithing before the law was given to Moses but that doesn't prove that tithing itself is not a law.

I will say that the reason why Paul brought out this Melchizedek issue to the Jews in that Heb. 7 was simply to convince them that Christ(Represented by Melchizedek in that analogy and not Melchizedek himself) is a high priest with higher authority than Abraham just like Melchizedek who was a highpriest enough to collect tithe from Abram inspite that he(Melchizedek) and his descendants did not have the promise.
therefore the gentiles like Melchizedek who was also a gentile,whose descendants also did not had the promise unlike Abraham descendants, were also entitled to the promise.
That is what Paul was trying to explain.

That's why verse 6 and 7 put it
6 But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.
7 And without all contradiction the less(which represent gentiles because the gentiles were seen to be less by the Jews) is blessed of the better(the Jews).

Jesus even said the first shall be the last and the last first, remember that parable?

Also, he brought out the analogy to affirm Jesus as our high priest on his throne above.

because if you look at the summary of all what he was saying which extended to chapter 8.

Hebrews 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken(from chapter 6)this is the sum(summary): We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens

Now, you can see that all what Paul was doing was simply analogy which was geared to convince the Jews to accept Jesus as their high priest and also to accept the gentiles, and not in anyway trying to get people pay tithe .