soulpeppersoup:


When the purpose of a thing is not known abuse is inevitable. Why do we give to God? To fulfill the commandment. Whatever you can't give to God is your God. Why did God ask Isaac of Abraham? To find out if He is still relevant to him after get what he needed.

Tithe came before the law and was received by christ himself as melkezedec of whom the bible say he is still receiving it in heaven as our high priest.

Your knowledge of the word is too shallow. To teach go and learn first before you mislead people.

What did God instruct to be tithed? 10% of wages and salaries OR 10% of crops and livestock?

The false doctrine of monetary tithing is a scam pro-tithers are not willing to admit until their Pastorpreneurs confess to it.

I HAVE ASKED THEM TO SHOW ME ONE SCRIPTURE WHERE TITHE IS PAID IN GOLD AND SILVER (MONEY)...Nothing scriptural whatsoever to back it up.

I did some research on how tithes were handled in Jewish History, and this was done on agro-products, not even the glorious era of Solomon changed it from agro-products and livestock to gold and silver!

My subsequent posts are extracted from Wikipedia which in turn drew it sources from the Torah and other ancient Jewish texts alongside the Bible too.

Tithes in Judaism
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Tithing in the Temple
The tithe is specifically mentioned in the Books of Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. The tithe system was organized in a seven-year cycle, the seventh-year corresponding to the Shemittah-cycle in which year tithes were broken-off, and in every third and sixth-year of this cycle the Second tithe replaced with the Poor man's tithe. These tithes were in reality more like taxes for the people of Israel and were mandatory, not optional giving. This tithe was distributed locally "within thy gates" (Deuteronomy 14:28) to support the Levites and assist the poor. Every year, Bikkurim, Terumah, Ma'aser Rishon and Terumat Ma'aser were separated from the grain, wine and oil (Deuteronomy 14:22). Initially, the commandment to separate tithes from one's produce only applied when the entire nation of Israel had settled in the Land of Israel. The Returnees from the Babylonian exile who had resettled the country were a Jewish minority, and who, although they were not obligated to tithe their produce, put themselves under a voluntary bind to do so, and which practice became obligatory upon all.

Terumah (Heave-offering)
The first obligation that was incumbent upon an Israelite or Jew was to separate from his harvested grain (wheat, barley, spelt, etc.), wine (including unpressed grapes) and oil (including unpressed olives) the one-fiftieth portion of these products (or one-fortieth, if he were a man of generosity; and one-sixtieth if he were stingy) and to give the same to a man of Aaron's lineage (priestly stock), who, in turn, would eat such fruits in a state of ritual cleanness, in accordance with a biblical command, "...and let him not eat of the holy things, until he bathes his flesh in water. And when the sun goes down down, he will be clean, and shall afterward eat of the holy things because it is his food" (Leviticus 22:6). This obligation was contingent upon the fact that such fruits grew in the Land of Israel. Later, the Rabbis made it an obligation to do the same for all fruits and vegetables grown in the Land of Israel, and not only to such fruits as grain, grapes and olives. With the destruction of the Temple and the cessation of ritual purity, the obligation to separate the Terumah continued unabated, although it was no longer given to a priest of Aaron's lineage, since bodily defilement was now pervasive. The general practice after the Temple's destruction was to separate the Terumah from all fruits and vegetables by removing even the slightest portion thereof, and to immediately discard it by burial or some other means of disposal (since it can no longer be eaten in the current state of ritual uncleanness, and those doing so would make themselves liable to extirpation).

First tithe
The first tithe is giving of one tenth of the remaining agricultural produce (after removing from the produce the standard Terumah) to the Levite (or Aaronic priests). Historically, during the First Temple period, the first tithe was given to the Levites. Approximately at the beginning of the Second Temple construction, Ezra and his Beth din implemented its giving to the kohanim.

The Levites, also known as the Tribe of Levi, were descendants of Levi. They were assistants to the Aaronic priests (who were the children of Aaron and, therefore, a subset of the Tribe of Levi) and did not own or inherit a territorial patrimony (Numbers 18:21-28). Their function in society was that of temple functionaries, teachers and trusted civil servants who supervised the weights and scales and witnessed agreements. The goods donated from the other Israeli tribes were their source of sustenance. They received from "all Israel" a tithe of food or livestock for support, and in turn would set aside a tenth portion of that tithe (known as the Terumat hamaaser) for the Aaronic priests.

Second tithe

Unlike other offerings which were restricted to consumption within the tabernacle, the second tithe could be consumed anywhere within the Walls of Jerusalem. On years one, two, four and five of the Shemittah-cycle, God commanded the Children of Israel to take a second tithe that was to be brought to the place of the Temple (Deuteronomy 14:23). The owner of the produce was to separate and bring 1/10 of his finished produce to the Old City of Jerusalem, after separating Terumah and the first tithe, but if the family lived too far from Jerusalem, the tithe could be redeemed upon coins (Deuteronomy 14:24-25). Then, the Bible required the owner of the redeemed coins to spend the tithe "to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish" (Deuteronomy 14:26). Implicit in the commandment was an obligation to spend the coins on items meant for human consumption.

Poor man's tithe

In years three and six of the Shemittah-cycle the Israelites set aside the (second) tithe instead as the poor tithe, and it was given to the strangers, orphans, and widows.

Terumat maaser

Terumat hamaaser was given by the Levite to the Kohen, and was one-tenth of what the Levite had received of the First-tithe. It is alluded to in the Hebrew Bible under the words, "a tithe (tenth) of the tithe" (Numbers 18:26). It, too, was considered Terumah, and was eaten by priests in a state of ritual cleanness. Today, the Terumat maaser is discarded because of general uncleanness, just as the Terumah is now discarded.

Demai

Demai (Mishnaic Hebrew: דמאי) is a Halakhic term meaning "dubious," referring to agricultural produce, the owner of which was not trusted with regard to the correct separation of the tithes assigned to the Levites, although the terumah (the part designated unto priests) was believed to have been separated from such fruits. In such "dubious" cases, all that was necessary was to separate the one-tenth portion due to the priests from the First Tithe given to the Levites, being the 1/100th part of the whole. The Second Tithe is also removed (redeemed) from the fruit in such cases of doubt.

Places that require tithing
The criterion for determining what places require the tithing of produce is any place within the country that was held by the Returnees from the Babylonian exile, as defined in the "Baraita of the Boundaries" of the Land of Israel;although today the land might be held by a different entity, or else worked by non-Jews, produce grown in those places would still require the separation of tithes when they come into the hand of an Israelite or Jew.

Tithes are broken-off during the Sabbatical year (such as when the ground lies fallow), during which year, all fruits, grains and vegetables that are grown of themselves in that year are considered free and ownerless property. For example, whatever lands were held by those returning from the Babylonian exile at the time of Ezra are forbidden to be ploughed and sown by any Jew during the Seventh year, and even if gentiles were to plough such land and sow it, the produce would be forbidden unto Jews to eat. On the other hand, the extension of such lands held by the people of Israel who departed Egypt and who entered the Land of Canaan under their leader, Joshua, are forbidden to be ploughed by any Jew during the Seventh year, but if gentiles had ploughed such land and sown it, the produce is permitted to be eaten by a Jew. If on a regular week-year, fruits and grains and vegetables, if grown by an Israelite in these places, would require tithing.

Cattle tithe
An additional tithe mentioned in the Book of Leviticus (27:32-33) is the cattle tithe, which is to be sacrificed as a korban at the Temple in Jerusalem.

Ma'aser kesafim
Ma'aser kesafim is a tithe that Jews give to charity (tzedakah), something that is done on a voluntary basis, as this practice has not been regulated in Jewish codes of law.




HAVING GONE THROUGH ALL THESE...I'M STILL AT A LOSS AS TO WHERE THE CHURCH GOT IT'S DOCTRINE OF OBLIGATORY MONETARY TITHING FROM


IF GOD HAS CLEARLY INSTRUCTED WHAT SHOULD BE TITHED, WHY DISOBEY GOD TO FOLLOW THE DOCTRINES OF GREEDY MEN?

Goodness4525:
sorry,,,,,,,,,but u ar a disaster to ur generation for that ignorance,,,,,,,,, testament is testament

Sorry grand foool
Creation of Adam and Eve is written in the Old testament of the Bible
But that doesnt mean there was convenant (testament) when they were created.
Why because convenants came into place later.
With the likes of Abraham (our convenant), then Moses etc
Even Abraham Convenant is mentioned in the Old testament, but thats is the convenant that Jesus brought us into

Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

If you cant understand this,.
Shut up and learn.


Cc: chiedu4trump

ipobarecriminals:
;DKid.Go read. all my post.No thieves,gamblers/ dishonest pipu will be comfortable where i'm .Com to marina @ Elephant HQ and see ur mate/"yahoo boy".Nuff banter with u

Na only yahoo Yahoo boys dey talk like you. Enjoy until government chatches up with you.

felixomor:

Sorry grand foool
Creation of Adam and Eve is written in the Old testament of the Bible
But that doesnt mean there was covenant (testament) when they were created.

You must be an amateur bible disputer.

If you read the bible you'll understand that Jesus is the last Adam.

1 Corinthians 15:45
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

And God made a covenant with them that the day they eat the fruit they will die.

Genesis 2:17
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

They did and death reigned from Adam to till Jesus came.

Romans 5:14
Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

felixomor:

With the likes of Abraham (our convenant), then Moses etc
Even Abraham Convenant is mentioned in the Old testament, but thats is the convenant that Jesus brought us into

How can Jesus bring us into a dead Covenant which cannot give life?

Galatians 3:21
Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

Because those Covenants cannot give life, God decided to He needed to replace them with a NEW one.

Jeremiah 31:31
Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:


The Old Covenant is no more.

Hebrews 8:13
In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.


This New Covenant is written in the blood of Jesus.

Matthew 26:28
For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

As the Old is no more, Jesus did not bring us into it.

felixomor:

Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

You yourself quoted that we shall receive the promise of the Spirit through faith, not works of the law of tithes.
As by no law is a man justified

Galatians 2:16
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Abraham was justified by faith and not tithes

Romans 4:9
Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.


As Abraham was justified by faith and not tithes, tithes is dead.
Thats why

1] Jesus never collected tithes.
2] Jesus did not support the paying of tithes.

Matthew 17
24 And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute?

25 He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers?

26 Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free.

Notice it says Then are the children free.
I am a child of God, so I am free

felixomor:

If you cant understand this,.
Shut up and learn.

I suggest u take ur own advice here

Tithers are legalists.
They derive satisfaction from what they 'DO' for God.
Getting them to ACCEPT that "Jesus did it all; and all to him I owe" is VERY difficult for them to do because it robs them of the pleasure they get from presenting their 'good works' before God as the basis for getting from God or standing right before God.

The very first thing the CHURCH dealt with included tithing. Jewish believers were insisting that "The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses" (Acts 15). The Holy Spirit gave his VERDICT: It was a big 'NO!'.

When today's pastors and believer REFUSES to accept the Holy Spirit's declaration but insists on doing things his own way he is actually working IN OPPOSITION to God.

God was very clear: The Christian, as a Son, stands in freedom in CHRIST. He is not tied to any SYSTEM before Christ because what Christ brought is SUPERIOR to anything under the LAW or before the Law of Moses (Hebrews).

Because tithers are looking for a SCORECARD of their good deeds to present before God rather than who they are in Christ they are blinded to these very clear declarations about the Christian. That is why many of them even IGNORE how the Apostles lived and taught and seek justification for their stand from elsewhere.

ipobarecriminals:
whether it is new testament or old testament, NOBODY FORCE ANYBODY TO PAY TITHE.Even the prince of peace says He didn't come to eradicate the old testament but to fulfill it Mat 5:17.

Something that has been fulfilled, is it still relevant?

Don't you that Jesus has fulfilled it for you and I? We are now free from the obligation of the law because by the Spirit we live above it.

plainbibletruth:
Tithers are legalists.
They derive satisfaction from what they 'DO' for God.
Getting them to ACCEPT that "Jesus did it all; and all to him I owe" is VERY difficult for them to do because it robs them of the pleasure they get from presenting their 'good works' before God as the basis for getting from God or standing right before God.

The very first thing the CHURCH dealt with included tithing. Jewish believers were insisting that "The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses" (Acts 15). The Holy Spirit gave his VERDICT: It was a big 'NO!'.

When today's pastors and believer REFUSES to accept the Holy Spirit's declaration but insists on doing things his own way he is actually working IN OPPOSITION to God.

God was very clear: The Christian, as a Son, stands in freedom in CHRIST. He is not tied to any SYSTEM before Christ because what Christ brought is SUPERIOR to anything under the LAW or before the Law of Moses (Hebrews).

Because tithers are looking for a SCORECARD of their good deeds to present before God rather than who they are in Christ they are blinded to these very clear declarations about the Christian. That is why many of them even IGNORE how the Apostles lived and taught and seek justification for their stand from elsewhere.

Well written.
Though I can tell u must these tithe loving and jet flying Pastorenuers are not Christians

Chiedu4Trump:

Well written.
Though I can tell u must these tithe loving and jet flying Pastorenuers are not Christians

Shameless 10 percent bounty hunters I tell ya

Even more shameless are the 10 percenters who can't read Acts 15 and understand it...or even show me where Jesus collected tithes from His followers since He's God's begotten son...

It's pure comedy I tell ya...


I have dedicated the picture below to any Pastorpreneur who preaches that God's blessings is for sale to the highest bidder...

OkCornel:


Shameless 10 percent bounty hunters I tell ya

Even more shameless are the 10 percenters who can't read Acts 15 and understand it...or even show me where Jesus collected tithes from His followers since He's God's begotten son...

It's pure comedy I tell ya...


I have dedicated the picture below to any Pastorpreneur who preaches that God's blessings is for sale to the highest bidder...

The fact that Jesus never collected tithes hit me like a bolt.

ipobarecriminals:
whether it is new testament or old testament, NOBODY FORCE ANYBODY TO PAY TITHE.Even the prince of peace says He didn't come to eradicate the old testament but to fulfill it Mat 5:17.

See this criminal.

Jesus came to fulfill the law that we will no more be under it, he did not come to fulfil the old testament.

Galatians 3:13
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law,

Romans 6:14
for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

So we are no more under the law of tithes.

Chiedu4Trump:




You must be an amateur bible disputer.

If you read the bible you'll understand that Jesus is the last Adam.

1 Corinthians 15:45
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

And God made a covenant with them that the day they eat the fruit they will die.

Genesis 2:17
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

They did and death reigned from Adam to till Jesus came.

Romans 5:14
Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.




How can Jesus bring us into a dead Covenant which cannot give life?

Galatians 3:21
Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

Because those Covenants cannot give life, God decided to He needed to replace them with a NEW one.

Jeremiah 31:31
Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:


The Old Covenant is no more.

Hebrews 8:13
In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.


This New Covenant is written in the blood of Jesus.

Matthew 26:28
For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

As the Old is no more, Jesus did not bring us into it.




You yourself quoted that we shall receive the promise of the Spirit through faith, not works of the law of tithes.
As by no law is a man justified

Galatians 2:16
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Abraham was justified by faith and not tithes

Romans 4:9
Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.


As Abraham was justified by faith and not tithes, tithes is dead.
Thats why

1] Jesus never collected tithes.
2] Jesus did not support the paying of tithes.

Matthew 17
24 And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute?

25 He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers?

26 Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free.

Notice it says Then are the children free.
I am a child of God, so I am free



I suggest u take ur own advice here

Receive wisdom.


Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.



Christ died to bring us into Abraham Convenant.
Shout Hallelujah and learn
Abraham Convenant is alive not dead.
Learn.

felixomor:

Receive wisdom.


Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.



Christ died to bring us into Abraham Convenant.
Shout Hallelujah and learn
Abraham Convenant is alive not dead.
Learn.

Wow! I marvel at how you twist the scripture to suit your argument.

Interesting!

bloodofthelamb:


Wow! I marvel at how you twist the scripture to suit your argument.

Interesting!

Oh sorry. I know u are not a gentile. Maybe u are a jew.
Good luck.