But seriously, I think that Toyota thing is an over-hyped conspiracy against Japan / Toyota; more like a desperate move by a dying economy or industry to sell their failed brands by a sabotage against the world's No. 1. Thats just my own understanding of the whole thing and its very unfortunate, BUT from what I gather, its having no impact at all outside the Ford country.

philips,
please cut out all this conspiracy theory crap. america is an open country with an open mind. they don't need to 'pull down' any particular company in order to favor their own.

i think you should be more worried about the potential dangers in driving a car which has been identified as a safety risk than being smug thinking that nothing can happen-unless maybe you want to be among the statistics needed to prove that the ntsb was right all along!

I wonder how long we will continue to blame America for everything.

jp philips:

I laugh in German, you call it a conspiracy theory huh!
let me direct you to http://www.alldatadiy.com/TSB/yr.html so you can educate your self more on vehicle recalls.
America made so much Ado about Toyota's recall as if IT is something new
when you go down the list, you will easily decipher that within the year under review from 1997 to 2007, Toyota remained the most sought vehicle in the US amidst all the recalls shown there now tell me y this one is different?
All the other auto makers you saw on the list how far?
Does it mean your cherished NTSB went on strike then?lol
This is just about government interest in the Auto industry, toyota should have known better

You really believed Iraq had weapons of Mass destruction? lol My 99yr old granny didn't believe, now that is what i call GOVERNMENT INTEREST!!!!!

George_D:

philips,
please cut out all this conspiracy theory crap. america is an open country with an open mind. they don't need to 'pull down' any particular company in order to favor their own.

i think you should be more worried about the potential dangers in driving a car which has been identified as a safety risk than being smug thinking that nothing can happen-unless maybe you want to be among the statistics needed to prove that the ntsb was right all along!

Let us leave that part for the political section and not worry our heads about it . . . . .
Also, regardless of what it is and was, Toyota has a problem with the recall and i think it is oly fair for people that are paying thru their nose to pay money for the rides, some are re-mortgaging their homes to buy the rides, so it is only fair to make sure that they are not death traps.
Let us leave the conspiracy stuff and make sure safety are not compromised.

Chief_D:

@Fhemmmy
I know you are in the car business. Please give us one complaint you have heard or overheard from anyone you know for real that has or drives one of those Toyota "Recalled" vehicles.

Im asking because I have not heard from people that bought those vehicles brand new in Nigeria having any problems with ANY of those models.

jp philips:

Conversely, i think that what is fair and worthy to note is that between 2000 to 2007 no other company has had more recalls than the American brands
Talking about saving lives and how people strive to buy those cars, you think that The Cadillac CTS, STS and the Deville brands that EXPLODE as a result of water pump issues and over heating are less perilous when juxtaposed with a brand with sticky gas pedal?
don't be fooled my dear

Chief_D:

@George_D
Ignorance is bliss , Its not your fault actually, its just your level.

This is not a matter of being fooled, it is being for real.
Have you noticed that till Toyota started making their cars in America and in Canada, they never had a problem?
That is food for thought . . . . . but let us leave the conspiracy talk alone.

Now tell me what kinda car you wanna buy and let us put our resources to work for you. . . . . . Peace

ignorance could be 'bliss' but being smug about a problem that could potentially lead to one's lose of life is to say the least, reckless.

i love toyota. as a matter of fact i've just pre-ordered a toyota car to be delivered shortly but that will not make me close my eyes to obvious flaws reported by people who have actually driven these cars. if you choose to go by the conspiracy balderdash, it's your call. but take my advice, do a thorough check of your car (if you drive any of these toyotas) just to be sure your not driving your way to no return land! Cool

Its very unfortunate that Toyota has a plant in the US, that explains how they were able to infilterate and perpetuate the whole thing. For me, it only makes the American auto industry very very cheap.

Chief_D:

Dont even bother yourself, owners know its just a conspiracy.

Its very unfortunate that Toyota has a plant in the US, that explains how they were able to infilterate and perpetuate the whole thing. For me, it only makes the American auto industry very very cheap.

Toyota is better off shutting down its US operations and let people import. Afterall they have a car on almost every street in Nigeria and they dont own a plant here.

philips,

your missing something. toyota knew about some of these problems far back as 2007 but chose to do nothing about them. how's that for a [b]'responsible' and 'honorable' [/b]brand? Huh

@Fhemmmy
Cost analysis has to do with getting it through and off the production line to the factory lot. Shipping is market dependent, 3rd parties in advertisement and screening for dealerships with negotiated incentives and commissions.

Fhemmmy, its called Packaging

jp philips:


In terms of the Gas pedal fix i meant, talking about knowing since 2007, now, cant you see where the Gov. double standard is more glaring.
guess NTSB closed shop since 07 and just reopened after the Bail out
Let me ask you? what was the Gov's interest in Automobiles before 2007?
What was their percentage ownership in the favorite brands prior to 2007?

The civil courts have been settling issues like this since time immemorial but coming to paint Toyota as a total death trap is hitting below the belt.

jp philips:

Not when you make your highest sales in a particular place, its more cost effective to station the plant there unless you are struggling (to capture the market), then you can decide to import, Note that they can still export from the US and Canada to other regions.

Well said Bre. Its so glaring in some quarters that its a take over or go strategy BUT the Japanese giant wants to weather it through to rubb it in their face. The thing is that US is not the largest market for anything anymore (except for cheap drugs), so smart manufacturers and service providers are moving to the East, so is Toyota before all this and even at the moment.

Whats even the use, its all credit anyways, guarranteed by what?, debt to the chinese and even japan too. BUT I like the Japanese giant's approach and attitude - its really rubbing it in their faces, people still dont see their brands - even though its on every google advert page.

Then they should have chosen a better cultured, more stable and less desperate state like Canada

jp philips:


In terms of the Gas pedal fix i meant, talking about knowing since 2007, now, cant you see where the Gov. double standard is more glaring.
guess NTSB closed shop since 07 and just reopened after the Bail out
Let me ask you? what was the Gov's interest in Automobiles before 2007?
What was their percentage ownership in the favorite brands prior to 2007?

The civil courts have been settling issues like this since time immemorial but coming to paint Toyota as a total death trap is hitting below the belt.

it pains me when seemingly learned people choose to talk like this. we are talking about a safety risk that has sent many innocent drivers to their untimely death and here we are talking of 'conspiracy'?! well, i bet those unfortunate victims will be turning in their graves right now while we sit here trivialising what sent them away before their time! Angry