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Re: Examining Talk That Jehovah's Witnesses Are The Only Ones Preaching Out There by Jozzy4: 2:24pm On Feb 14, 2018
Deadlytruth:



In commissioning the 72 disciples in Luke 10:7 Jesus was silent on the question of whether they could go to gentile lands or not. But let us even assume that He didn't want them to visit gentile lands on that very outing judging from the constraining circumstances you claim were in existence at that moment, then it would mean that he forbade house to house preaching among the Jews. And those 72 actually went out and returned without actually visiting gentile lands. So how come it appears to you that they disobeyed Christ by entering into gentile territories thereby setting a precedent for future disobedience to Jesus' instruction against house to house preaching?

Even when Jesus later expanded the reach of His gospel to gentiles he only asked them to go out into the whole world and spread the good news without making any alterations to the manner he had already spelt out in previous instances. If He had found a change necessary about the manner of approach do you think he would not have made it known when he was expanding the outlook to cover all nations? And do you think it was a coincidence that Paul and Peter always first went to the synagogues in whichever gentile cities they set their feet on for the first time ever?

Now, let me tell you the actual reason behind Jesus disapproval of house to house manner:
Luke 10: 2 he said to the 72 appointees, "The harvest is ripe but labourers are few....". This therefore means the method that must be adopted for maximum harvest is mass approach. And that would normally involve speaking from the synagogues or other public places. the other hand going from house to house would not yield a bountiful harvest within the timeframe they had to evangelize.
On return, their testimonies actually showed they made a mountainous harvest of souls that same day.
Small as Israel was in population, house to house approach was seen by Jesus as unproductive. Then how could He have ever intended it to be used for the far more populous gentile land where bigger harvests were ripe?
And have labourers outnumbered ripe harvest today to warrant a change of approach as you would have us believe?
Are other world's religions not being reported as growing faster than Christianity today through biological means?

@ bolded, Same way he prohibit them from preaching outside Israel or going to people of the nations . ( Matthew 10:5,6


It all boils down to prevailing circumstances.

Neither did he ever prohibit them from entering a House , for he told them to go to the homes of people . this ones can either accept them or reject ( Luke 10:5,6 ) .


On a large scale as Christianity continue to spread, House to house became a practical method of reaching people .

Act 5:42 even reports :

" and every day in the temple and FROM HOUSE to HOUSE they continued without let up teaching and declaring the good news about the Christ, Jesus "


They not only focus on the Temple to reach people and declare the good news, House to House was very much practical too. No wonder Paul made mention of it in Act 20:20
Re: Examining Talk That Jehovah's Witnesses Are The Only Ones Preaching Out There by Deadlytruth(m): 3:05pm On Feb 14, 2018
Jozzy4:


@ bolded, Same way he prohibit them from preaching outside Israel or going to people of the nations . ( Matthew 10:5,6


It all boils down to prevailing circumstances.

Neither did he ever prohibit them from entering a House , for he told them to go to the homes of people . this ones can either accept them or reject ( Luke 10:5,6 ) .


On a large scale as Christianity continue to spread, House to house became a practical method of reaching people .

Act 5:42 even reports :

" and every day in the temple and FROM HOUSE to HOUSE they continued without let up teaching and declaring the good news about the Christ, Jesus "



They not only focus on the Temple to reach people and declare the good news, House to House was very much practical too. No wonder Paul made mention of it in Act 20:20

As per the first and second bolded, I had explained in previous pages here that permission to enter a house on first arrival was not for preaching but to seek a potential believer ready to assist them with lodging and accommodation throughout their stay in that town. Please read further to verse 11-13 of that Mathew Chapter 10 which says, "Whatever town or village you enter, search for some worthy person there and stay at his house until you leave....". This can't be about the manner of preaching but of looking for where to lodge first before the commencement of business.
The same is repeated in Luke 10: 5-7.

For the third bolded; the events happened in Jerusalem among whom there were already believers converted by Jesus Himself, thus it was a visit of fellow believers to one another's houses for fellowshiping.

Acts 20:20 can't be divorced from Acts 19:1-7 as long as full understanding is the goal.
Re: Examining Talk That Jehovah's Witnesses Are The Only Ones Preaching Out There by Deadlytruth(m): 3:29pm On Feb 14, 2018
Jozzy4:

They not only focus on the Temple to reach people and declare the good news, House to House was very much practical too. No wonder Paul made mention of it in Act 20:20

Let's even assume that the above is wholly correct as stated by you. Now you seem to agree that every method they used should as well be used today. Good!
They also used open air crusades which held in public places that were not temples.
Now, why do you JWs avoid doing organized open air crusades at a particular spot in public places?
Re: Examining Talk That Jehovah's Witnesses Are The Only Ones Preaching Out There by OnyeOGA(m): 4:36pm On Feb 14, 2018
Jozzy4:


Beautiful, He never said I and my Father are one God .

John 17:21 he prayed his disciples be ONE just as he and his father are one .

" Just as " ... Can u see that ?

Now if you take it to mean being one as God , then his disciples are also Gods as well, because they will be one JUST AS.

grin
what sort of bible misinterpretation is this

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Re: Examining Talk That Jehovah's Witnesses Are The Only Ones Preaching Out There by rottennaija(m): 7:14am On Feb 15, 2018
mtngloetiartel:
very few people are going thru the road to everlasting life. The road to life is narrow and cramped...whereas broad, wide and crowded is the road leading to destruction. You get the point?

Yes, I get the point. 8.4m is few abi? Or the vast multitude, (great crowd) which no man can number of Rev. 7:9-10 is few abi? Or is watchtower not trying they best to increase they dwindling numbers?

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Re: Examining Talk That Jehovah's Witnesses Are The Only Ones Preaching Out There by Jozzy4: 10:38am On Feb 15, 2018
OnyeOGA:

grin
what sort of bible misinterpretation is this

You would have done well to pick out the misinterpretation, if any ..
Re: Examining Talk That Jehovah's Witnesses Are The Only Ones Preaching Out There by Jozzy4: 10:58am On Feb 15, 2018
Deadlytruth:


As per the first and second bolded, I had explained in previous pages here that permission to enter a house on first arrival was not for preaching but to seek a potential believer ready to assist them with lodging and accommodation throughout their stay in that town. Please read further to verse 11-13 of that Mathew Chapter 10 which says, "Whatever town or village you enter, search for some worthy person there and stay at his house until you leave....". This can't be about the manner of preaching but of looking for where to lodge first before the commencement of business.
The same is repeated in Luke 10: 5-7.


For the third bolded; the events happened in Jerusalem among whom there were already believers converted by Jesus Himself, thus it was a visit of fellow believers to one another's houses for fellowshiping.

Acts 20:20 can't be divorced from Acts 19:1-7 as long as full understanding is the goal.

Is the underlined what the verse said ?

Oh, they are preaching the GOOD NEWS of JESUS CHRIST to fellow believers ? grin grin then why are they believers if they don't know Jesus Christ . lame excuse Bro

Read Act 8:35 , They preach the goodnews of Christ to those who are not yet believers . what is happening in Act 5:42 is a powerful declaration about Jesus Christ to people of all sort coming into the Temple and meeting such ones in house to house ministry .
Re: Examining Talk That Jehovah's Witnesses Are The Only Ones Preaching Out There by Deadlytruth(m): 12:46pm On Feb 15, 2018
Jozzy4:


Is the underlined what the verse said ?

Oh, they are preaching the GOOD NEWS of JESUS CHRIST to fellow believers ? grin grin then why are they believers if they don't know Jesus Christ . lame excuse Bro

Read Act 8:35 , They preach the goodnews of Christ to those who are not yet believers . what is happening in Act 5:42 is a powerful declaration about Jesus Christ to people of all sort coming into the Temple and meeting such ones in house to house ministry .

As per your first paragraph, what you see in that verse is a generalization which does not alter the specific nuances in the details. I have repeated this enough.

Acts 8:35 has nothing about house to house preaching. It is rather an encounter between Philip and the Ethiopian Eunuch who was on a journey and was reading Isiah without understanding. This means the Eunuch was not really an unbeliever. And even at that the angel directed Philip to catch up with the him on his way home and not in his home on arrival. So your argument fails again.

Let me now go a bit more detailed about this Acts 5:42 you've been holding onto as your remaining lifeline. What we have there is that they were teaching and proclaiming the good news from house to house. Now, aside the fact that there was no single person in Jerusalem to whom the gospel was altogether strange at that material time, you need to go back to Acts 5:12 - 16 where the whole show began. It records that the Apostles and believers performed healing miracles on the people who gathered around them either in the streets or at Solomon's Colonnade of the Temple and because of this more men and women were added to their numbers. This means they won new converts in the Temple and in the streets but never inside people's houses. It was on this note that the high priests and Sadducees got to know and out of envy got the Apostles punished. Had they won the converts inside people's houses privately it would not have been a public issue and the Chief priests and Sadducees would not have heard about it let alone getting them punished.
Again, if you read Acts 4:32-37 you would see that the believers lived communal lives relative to one another. This means they shared all they had among themselves even though they were living separately in the physical sense. For people residing in different houses to live communally, they must visit one another's houses to share those belongings and strengthen one another's faith by teaching and proclaiming the message which constrained them to live such pattern of life in the first instance. This is what house to house manner refers to in the verse you cited above, and not the evangelism targeted at unbelievers.
Till now you have not been able to cite outside Acts any passage or verse which clearly approves house to house preaching in unambiguous language.
I have successfully cited some outside Acts.
Whatever position we want to defend, we must be able to draw clear evidences from as many books as possible as long as we believe that these books are not cross-contradictory.
Re: Examining Talk That Jehovah's Witnesses Are The Only Ones Preaching Out There by Jozzy4: 3:04pm On Feb 15, 2018
Deadlytruth:


As per your first paragraph, what you see in that verse is a generalization which does not alter the specific nuances in the details. I have repeated this enough.


Its a wrong generalization, they were teaching people NOT believers in the verse . this is why I asked you to Read Act 8:35 and see who are been preached the good news of Christ to .



Acts 8:35 has nothing about house to house preaching. It is rather an encounter between Philip and the Ethiopian Eunuch who was on a journey and was reading Isiah without understanding. This means the Eunuch was not really an unbeliever. And even at that the angel directed Philip to catch up with the him on his way home and not in his home on arrival. So your argument fails again.


#shakes head# seriously ?

U miss the point, I cite the verse to let you notice this fact ; The Goodnews of Christ mentioned in Act 5:42 is been preached to people who are not yet believers .

At Act 8:35, Philip preached this same goodnews of Christ to the Ethiopian eunuch , NOT a fellow believer .

What are they preaching In Act 5:42 ?

They preached the goodnews of Jesus Christ ... Clearly, they are teaching people with this message NOT to fellow believers.

@ Act 20:2 Paul also preached house to house , preaching repentance towards God and Faith in Lord Jesus .

Not a theme for a believer who has already have faith in Christ .


Let me now go a bit more detailed about this Acts 5:42 you've been holding onto as your remaining lifeline. What we have there is that they were teaching and proclaiming the good news from house to house. Now, aside the fact that there was no single person in Jerusalem to whom the gospel was altogether strange at that material time, you need to go back to Acts 5:12 - 16 where the whole show began. It records that the Apostles and believers performed healing miracles on the people who gathered around them either in the streets or at Solomon's Colonnade of the Temple and because of this more men and women were added to their numbers. This means they won new converts in the Temple and in the streets but never inside people's houses. It was on this note that the high priests and Sadducees got to know and out of envy got the Apostles punished. Had they won the converts inside people's houses privately it would not have been a public issue and the Chief priests and Sadducees would not have heard about it let alone getting them punished.
Again, if you read Acts 4:32-37 you would see that the believers lived communal lives relative to one another. This means they shared all they had among themselves even though they were living separately in the physical sense. for people residing in different houses to live communally, they must visit one another's houses to share those belongings and strengthen one another's faith by teaching and proclaiming the message which constrained them to live such pattern of life in the first instance. This is what house to house manner refers to in the verse you cited above, and not the evangelism targeted at unbelievers.

Till now you have not been able to cite outside Acts any passage or verse which clearly approves house to house preaching in unambiguous language.
I have successfully cited some outside Acts.
Whatever position we want to defend, we must be able to draw clear evidences from as many books as possible as long as we believe that these books are not cross-contradictory.

Assumption @ underlined ... Unfounded one .

They are preaching the goodnews of Christ , to whom is such message share if NOT unbelievers as seen in Act 8:35 ?

So they gonna be preaching the goodnews of Christ to someone who has already accept Christ as Lord ? Doesn't make sense, its a sentimental opinion .
Re: Examining Talk That Jehovah's Witnesses Are The Only Ones Preaching Out There by CAPTIVATOR: 3:25pm On Feb 15, 2018
Deadlytruth:


As per your first paragraph, what you see in that verse is a generalization which does not alter the specific nuances in the details. I have repeated this enough.

Acts 8:35 has nothing about house to house preaching. It is rather an encounter between Philip and the Ethiopian Eunuch who was on a journey and was reading Isiah without understanding. This means the Eunuch was not really an unbeliever. And even at that Theo's angel directed Philip to catch up with the him on his way home and not in his home on arrival. So your argument fails again.

Let me now go a bit more detailed about this Acts 5:42 you've been holding onto as your remaining lifeline. What we have there is that they were teaching and proclaiming the good news from house to house. Now, aside the fact that there was no single person in Jerusalem to whom the gospel was altogether strange at that material time, you need to go back to Acts 5:12 - 16 where the whole show began. It records that the Apostles and believers performed healing miracles on the people who gathered around them either in the streets or at Solomon's Colonnade of the Temple and because of this more men and women were added to their numbers. This means they won new converts in the Temple and in the streets but never inside people's houses. It was on this note that the high priests and Sadducees got to know and out of envy got the Apostles punished. Had they won the converts inside people's houses privately it would not have been a public issue and the Chief priests and Sadducees would not have heard about it let alone getting them punished.
Again, if you read Acts 4:32-37 you would see that the believers lived communal lives relative to one another. This means they shared all they had among themselves even though they were living separately in the physical sense. For people residing in different houses to live communally, they must visit one another's houses to share those belongings and strengthen one another's faith by teaching and proclaiming the message which constrained them to live such pattern of life in the first instance. This is what house to house manner refers to in the verse you cited above, and not the evangelism targeted at unbelievers.
Till now you have not been able to cite outside Acts any passage or verse which clearly approves house to house preaching in unambiguous language.
I have successfully cited some outside Acts.
Whatever position we want to defend, we must be able to draw clear evidences from as many books as possible as long as we believe that these books are not cross-contradictory.
, Be sincere ..

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Every day in the temple courtyard and from house to house, they refused to stop teaching and telling the Good News that Jesus is the Messiah.



Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And they did not cease to teach every day in The Temple and in houses, and to evangelize about our Lord Yeshua The Messiah.

Does this Jesus is Messiah message sound like a message to fellow believers who already accept Jesus as Messiah or People who don't accept Jesus as Messiah ?
Re: Examining Talk That Jehovah's Witnesses Are The Only Ones Preaching Out There by Deadlytruth(m): 3:59pm On Feb 15, 2018
Jozzy4:


Its a wrong generalization, they were teaching people NOT believers in the verse . this is why I asked you to Read Act 8:35 and see who are been preached the good news of Christ to .



#shakes head# seriously ?

U miss the point, I cite the verse to let you notice this fact ; The Goodnews of Christ mentioned in Act 5:42 is been preached to people who are not yet believers .

At Act 8:35, Philip preached this same goodnews of Christ to the Ethiopian eunuch , NOT a fellow believer .

What are they preaching In Act 5:42 ?

They preached the goodnews of Jesus Christ ... Clearly, they are teaching people with this message NOT to fellow believers.

@ Act 20:2 Paul also preached house to house , preaching repentance towards God and Faith in Lord Jesus .

Not a theme for a believer who has already have faith in Christ .



Assumption @ underlined ... Unfounded one .

They are preaching the goodnews of Christ , to whom is such message share if NOT unbelievers as seen in Act 8:35 ?

So they gonna be preaching the goodnews of Christ to someone who has already accept Christ as Lord ? Doesn't make sense, its a sentimental opinion .


The Eunuch was of similar spiritual standing as Cornelius and he was studying the scriptures with a receptive heart thus he had already believed but only wanted to understand. Remember the kingdom is by first believing so that you may understand unlike science and human disciplines for which you must first understand before believing.

The use of "people" connotes nothing other than generalization. "The people" mean both believers and unbelievers. However, when you factor in the preceding verses and treat the passage as a whole, you can't deny the nuances.

You lie about Acts 20:2
It did not say anything at all about house to house preaching.
Here is what it says starting from verse 1, " When the uproar had ended, Paul sent for the disciples and after encouraging them, said good-bye and set out for Macedonia. 2. He travelled through that area speaking many words of encouragement to the people and finally arrived in Greece."
Now apart from the fact that it wasn't recorded here that he went from house to house while traveling through those places mentioned, it is inconceivable that a man who was hurrying away from a city where there was an uproar against him would decide to start wasting time visiting houses in just the neighboring territories.

As per the bolded, the verse spoke of teaching and announcing the good news but in analysing it you removed the word "teaching" in pursuit of the predetermined doctrine you are trying to establish.

Put the "teaching" back and ask yourself who needs teaching between unbelievers and already existing believers?
Don't you as an already existing believer receive teaching in your Kingdom Halls? Does that make you an unbeliever? How does a believer grow if not by teaching?
Teaching is exclusively meant for believers. Unbelievers have no business with it.

You don't teach unbelievers. You first convince them by announcing the good news and healing them of their diseases since, as unbelievers, they require signs and not teaching.

In fact trying to teach an unbeliever is usually counterproductive because he too already has a belief structure which he rigidly believes in. When you speak he can counter you with superior arguments. When you challenge a Moslem's faith by trying to teach him the Bible you are very likely to fail because most of them study the Bible more than Christians and you inclusive. Same with Bhuddists and even Atheists. But by demonstrating the power and love of God through miracles you melt their hearts. That is why Paul says in 1 Cor 4:20 that the kingdom of God is not a matter of talk but of power.
Re: Examining Talk That Jehovah's Witnesses Are The Only Ones Preaching Out There by Deadlytruth(m): 4:30pm On Feb 15, 2018
CAPTIVATOR:

, Be sincere ..

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Every day in the temple courtyard and from house to house, they refused to stop teaching and telling the Good News that Jesus is the Messiah.



Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And they did not cease to teach every day in The Temple and in houses, and to evangelize about our Lord Yeshua The Messiah.

Does this Jesus is Messiah message sound like a message to fellow believers who already accept Jesus as Messiah or People who don't accept Jesus as Messiah ?

It is very obvious that you have not taken the pain to follow this thread from the beginning.
This verse you quoted in different translations a
is a part of a larger narration which the book of Acts contain. My argument here is that it is wrong to pick verses in isolation to the entire passages in which they are just a part. That exactly is what you have done. Drawing the hands of the clock back and asking me to be sincere. That advice is actually meant for you.

As for the bolded, were there not already existing believers in the Temples where the same verse you reference claims they preached?
If you think it does not make sense to continue preaching the The Messiahship of Jesus to already existing believers, then why did Jesus take Peter, Andrew and one other disciple to witness his transfiguration despite they had already believed in His Messiahship before then? Hope you know that the transfiguration was aimed at strengthening their conviction that Jesus was the promised Messiah?
Close to Jesus as the disciples were, they still need further efforts to ground their belief in Christ's Messiahship. Then how much more of believers who never got that close to Jesus?
Re: Examining Talk That Jehovah's Witnesses Are The Only Ones Preaching Out There by CAPTIVATOR: 4:36pm On Feb 15, 2018
Deadlytruth:


It is very obvious that you have not taken the pain to follow this thread from the beginning.
This verse you quoted in different translations a
is a part of a larger narration which the book of Acts contain. My argument here is that it is wrong to pick verses in isolation to the entire passages in which they are just a part. That exactly is what you have done. Drawing the hands of the clock back and asking me to be sincere. That advice is actually meant for you.
Its a very simple thing, the Message been evangelized exposed the flaws in your argument, Its to convince the people to accept Jesus as Messiah, Not believers who already did .

I could see you have edited your message, the transfiguration was to fulfil the prophecy that they will see the son of man in Glory before they died .

Jozzy4 gave a good example of preaching the goodnews of Jesus been done to unbelievers In Act 8 : 35 . that explains it
Re: Examining Talk That Jehovah's Witnesses Are The Only Ones Preaching Out There by CAPTIVATOR: 4:51pm On Feb 15, 2018
Deadlytruth:


The Eunuch was of similar spiritual standing as Cornelius and he was studying the scriptures with a receptive heart thus he had already believed but only wanted to understand. Remember the kingdom is by first believing so that you may understand unlike science and human disciplines for which you must first understand before believing.


The use of "people" connotes nothing other than generalization. "The people" mean both believers and unbelievers. However, when you factor in the preceding verses and treat the passage as a whole, you can't deny the nuances.

You lie about Acts 20:2
It did not say anything at all about house to house preaching.
Here is what it says starting from verse 1, " When the uproar had ended, Paul sent for the disciples and after encouraging them, said good-bye and set out for Macedonia. 2. He travelled through that area speaking many words of encouragement to the people and finally arrived in Greece."
Now apart from the fact that it wasn't recorded here that he went from house to house while traveling through those places mentioned, it is inconceivable that a man who was hurrying away from a city where there was an uproar against him would decide to start wasting time visiting houses in just the neighboring territories.

As per the bolded, the verse spoke of teaching and announcing the good news but in analysing it you removed the word "teaching" in pursuit of the predetermined doctrine you are trying to establish.

Put the "teaching" back and ask yourself who needs teaching between unbelievers and already existing believers?
Don't you as an already existing believer receive teaching in your Kingdom Halls? Does that make you an unbeliever? How does a believer grow if not by teaching?
Teaching is exclusively meant for believers. Unbelievers have no business with it.

You don't teach unbelievers. You first convince them by announcing the good news and healing them of their diseases since, as unbelievers, they require signs and not teaching.

In fact trying to teach an unbeliever is usually counterproductive because he too already has a belief structure which he rigidly believes in. When you speak he can counter you with superior arguments. When you challenge a Moslem's faith by trying to teach him the Bible you are very likely to fail because most of them study the Bible more than Christians and you inclusive. Same with Bhuddists and even Atheists. But by demonstrating the power and love of God through miracles you melt their hearts. That is why Paul says in 1 Cor 4:20 that the kingdom of God is not a matter of talk but of power.






Receptive heart or not is not the issue here, Is the Eunuch a beliver ? What message is been preached to him ? Is it same with that mentioned in Act 5 :42 ?

Act 11:20 proclaiming the good news of Christ to Greeks ( another proof its to convince unbelievers )
Re: Examining Talk That Jehovah's Witnesses Are The Only Ones Preaching Out There by Deadlytruth(m): 8:58pm On Feb 15, 2018
CAPTIVATOR:

Its a very simple thing, the Message been evangelized exposed the flaws in your argument, Its to convince the people to accept Jesus as Messiah, Not believers who already did .

I could see you have edited your message, the transfiguration was to fulfil the prophecy that they will see the son of man in Glory before they died .

Jozzy4 gave a good example of preaching the goodnews of Jesus been done to unbelievers In Act 8 : 35 . that explains it

And what was the fulfillment of the prophesy meant to achieve other than prove it to them that he was really the expected Messiah? Are prophesies fulfilled just for the sake of that?

Acts 8:27 states that the Eunuch in question had gone to Jerusalem to worship. I guess an unbeliever could have gone to worship in Jerusalem, right?

Yea I edited my comment to supply you more scriptural evidence. Anything wrong with that?
Re: Examining Talk That Jehovah's Witnesses Are The Only Ones Preaching Out There by Deadlytruth(m): 9:03pm On Feb 15, 2018
CAPTIVATOR:




Receptive heart or not is not the issue here, Is the Eunuch a beliver ? What message is been preached to him ? Is it same with that mentioned in Act 5 :42 ?

Act 11:20 proclaiming the good news of Christ to Greeks ( another proof its to convince unbelievers )


Still taking verses in isolation thus out of context. In verse 27 of that Acts chapter 8, the Eunuch is reported to be on his journey back home after having gone for worship in Jerusalem. How could an unbeliever have gone to worship in Jerusalem?

And does Acts 11:20 record that they went from house to house among those Greek unbelievers?
Recall that the contention is about the rightness or wrongness of going from house to house among unbelievers.
Re: Examining Talk That Jehovah's Witnesses Are The Only Ones Preaching Out There by Jozzy4: 7:54am On Feb 16, 2018
Deadlytruth:
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The Eunuch was of similar spiritual standing as Cornelius and he was studying the scriptures with a receptive heart thus he had already believed but only wanted to understand. Remember the kingdom is by first believing so that you may understand unlike science and human disciplines for which you must first understand before believing.

Was the Eunuch a Disciple ? That's the question.


The use of "people" connotes nothing other than generalization. "The people" mean both believers and unbelievers. However, when you factor in the preceding verses and treat the passage as a whole, you can't deny the nuances.

You lie about Acts 20:2
It did not say anything at all about house to house preaching.
Here is what it says starting from verse 1, " When the uproar had ended, Paul sent for the disciples and after encouraging them, said good-bye and set out for Macedonia. 2. He travelled through that area speaking many words of encouragement to the people and finally arrived in Greece."
Now apart from the fact that it wasn't recorded here that he went from house to house while traveling through those places mentioned, it is inconceivable that a man who was hurrying away from a city where there was an uproar against him would decide to start wasting time visiting houses in just the neighboring territories.



So funny, that was a Typo.. Should be Act 20:20,21 , the 0,21 went missing .



As per the bolded, the verse spoke of teaching and announcing the good news but in analysing it you removed the word "teaching" in pursuit of the predetermined doctrine you are trying to establish.

Put the "teaching" back and ask yourself who needs teaching between unbelievers and already existing believers?
Don't you as an already existing believer receive teaching in your Kingdom Halls? Does that make you an unbeliever? How does a believer grow if not by teaching?
Teaching is exclusively meant for believers. Unbelievers have no business with it.

You don't teach unbelievers. You first convince them by announcing the good news and healing them of their diseases since, as unbelievers, they require signs and not teaching.

In fact trying to teach an unbeliever is usually counterproductive because he too already has a belief structure which he rigidly believes in. When you speak he can counter you with superior arguments. When you challenge a Moslem's faith by trying to teach him the Bible you are very likely to fail because most of them study the Bible more than Christians and you inclusive. Same with Bhuddists and even Atheists. But by demonstrating the power and love of God through miracles you melt their hearts. That is why Paul says in 1 Cor 4:20 that the kingdom of God is not a matter of talk but of power.




The verse said Teaching and preaching ( Evangelize ) , the word rendered preaching means To evangelize ... This is done to those who haven't received Christ .

Besides, Jesus in his instruction also said go, and make disciples from people of all nations, Teach them ... Teaching and preaching go hand in hand .

Again, to preach is to Evangelize
Re: Examining Talk That Jehovah's Witnesses Are The Only Ones Preaching Out There by Jozzy4: 7:55am On Feb 16, 2018
CAPTIVATOR:

Its a very simple thing, the Message been evangelized exposed the flaws in your argument, Its to convince the people to accept Jesus as Messiah, Not believers who already did .

I could see you have edited your message, the transfiguration was to fulfil the prophecy that they will see the son of man in Glory before they died .

Jozzy4 gave a good example of preaching the goodnews of Jesus been done to unbelievers In Act 8 : 35 . that explains it

Exactly .
Re: Examining Talk That Jehovah's Witnesses Are The Only Ones Preaching Out There by Jozzy4: 8:02am On Feb 16, 2018
Deadlytruth:


Still taking verses in isolation thus out of context. In verse 27 of that Acts chapter 8, the Eunuch is reported to be on his journey back home after having gone for worship in Jerusalem. How could an unbeliever have gone to worship in Jerusalem?


Lolzzz, Oga People have been going to Jerusalem to worship before Jesus come . it has nothing to do with Jesus , its a required thing for Jews to meet together .

Remember Joseph and Mary travelled also to Jerusalem when Jesus was still young . ?

The guy is not yet a disciple , the message Philip preached to him was the same as that preached in Act 5;42 , the Gospel of Jesus Christ

The main point here is that message is preached to those who are not yet disciples .



And does Acts 11:20 record that they went from house to house among those Greek unbelievers?
Recall that the contention is about the rightness or wrongness of going from house to house among unbelievers.

You like holding up irrelevant things , I can see @ captivator gave that verse To let you see the kind of audience to whom that message is been evangelized . the gospel of Jesus Christ been preached to the Greeks . the Greeks are not disciples

So you can better understand the audience of Act 5;42 who is been preached to with the message of the Goodnews of Christ . it becomes clear they are evangelizing to it to people who are yet to know Christ .
Re: Examining Talk That Jehovah's Witnesses Are The Only Ones Preaching Out There by Deadlytruth(m): 12:08pm On Feb 16, 2018
Jozzy4:


Lolzzz, Oga People have been going to Jerusalem to worship before Jesus come . it has nothing to do with Jesus , its a required thing for Jews to meet together .

Remember Joseph and Mary travelled also to Jerusalem when Jesus was still young . ?

The guy is not yet a disciple , the message Philip preached to him was the same as that preached in Act 5;42 , the Gospel of Jesus Christ

The main point here is that message is preached to those who are not yet disciples .



You like holding up irrelevant things , I can see @ captivator gave that verse To let you see the kind of audience to whom that message is been evangelized . the gospel of Jesus Christ been preached to the Greeks . the Greeks are not disciples

So you can better understand the audience of Act 5;42 who is been preached to with the message of the Goodnews of Christ . it becomes clear they are evangelizing to it to people who are yet to know Christ .



You are beginning to manifest an inclination towards use of for abusive language and blackmail. such attitude tells me you know deep within you that you are not really making sense. Why accuse me of holding up irrelevant arguments rather than just make your point? Only bigoted opinions are defended with abusive language.
The Eunuch was an Ethiopian and not a Jew hence his going to Jerusalem to worship had nothing to do with the instructions for the Jews to meet together. Like Cornelius, there were non-Jews who believed in Jesus even before Jesus was crucified.The centurion is another example.
What happened between Philip and the Eunuch was not preaching but an explanation which took the form of teaching. An unbeliever could not have gone to Jerusalem out of his own volition to worship and then on his way home be studying the scriptures as well. Why not look at these thing logically at least for once?
Meanwhile you have been trying to change the topic from the rightness vs wrongness of house to house preaching by jumping around different verses which are not related to it.

You have refused to answer my question that "Could those who were preached to in the Temple as recorded in Acts 5:42 be unbelievers?"
Re: Examining Talk That Jehovah's Witnesses Are The Only Ones Preaching Out There by Deadlytruth(m): 12:24pm On Feb 16, 2018
Jozzy4:


Was the Eunuch a Disciple ? That's the question.



So funny, that was a Typo.. Should be Act 20:20,21 , the 0,21 went missing .



The verse said Teaching and preaching ( Evangelize ) , the word rendered preaching means To evangelize ... This is done to those who haven't received Christ .

Besides, Jesus in his instruction also said go, and make disciples from people of all nations, Teach them ... Teaching and preaching go hand in hand .

Again, to preach is to Evangelize


So only the disciples were believers? Are you serious at all?

Even verse 21 does not establish the point you are trying to make. There is no relationship whatsoever.

You love going round in circles. In Acts 20:20,21 Paul was speaking to Church elders specifically and in the process reminded them of how he visited them (i.e. Those Church Elders alone) at home. In fact from verse 17 of Acts 20:20 he purposely sent for only the church elders who were already elders before he ever arrived in Ephesus.
They were already church elders before he came to Ephesus, thus his visit to them from house to house in Ephesus could not have ever been for proselytization.

Go and study the whole of Acts chapter 19 from the first to the last verse.
According to it, On arrival in Ephesus Paul went to stay in the Jewish Synagogue and did all his preaching there for the first three months. Then he left there for the lecture Hall of Tyrannus where he had discussions DAILY for the remaining two years he spent in the city before riots broke out and festered till he left.
So when did he have time to go from house to house under all that circumstance?
How come he went from house to house to win converts yet not even a single instance was reported in the whole of the chapter?
Re: Examining Talk That Jehovah's Witnesses Are The Only Ones Preaching Out There by Jozzy4: 2:55pm On Feb 16, 2018
Deadlytruth:



You are beginning to manifest an inclination towards use of for abusive language and blackmail. such attitude tells me you know deep within you that you are not really making sense. Why accuse me of holding up irrelevant arguments rather than just make your point? Only bigoted opinions are defended with abusive language.
The Eunuch was an Ethiopian and not a Jew hence his going to Jerusalem to worship had nothing to do with the instructions for the Jews to meet together. Like Cornelius, there were non-Jews who believed in Jesus even before Jesus was crucified.The centurion is another example.
What happened between Philip and the Eunuch was not preaching but an explanation which took the form of teaching. An unbeliever could not have gone to Jerusalem out of his own volition to worship and then on his way home be studying the scriptures as well. Why not look at these thing logically at least for once?


Smiles, you are the one who need to see things logically.

Remember Pentecost 33CE, and the various people that congregated together then. People going to Jerusalem has nothing to do with believing in Jesus .

As at when Jesus was 12 years old, when he wasn't even known yet ... Many already make the journey there .

So you can see its not a matter of been believers, All those who came to Pentecost in Jerusalem are not believers either .

Luke 2:41,42

41 Every year Jesus’ parents went to Jerusalem for the Festival of the Passover. 42 When he was twelve years old, they went up to the festival, according to the custom.

That nullifies the thought that the Eunuch was a beliver , How could he even belived in someone he doesn't know ?

He told Philip : who is it the prophet is talking about ?
The message is preached to those who are not yet believers , that is the point am trying to make here cos its d same message preached in Act 5:42 !


Meanwhile you have been trying to change the topic from the rightness vs wrongness of house to house preaching by jumping around different verses which are not related to it.

You have refused to answer my question that "Could those who were preached to in the Temple as recorded in Acts 5:42 be unbelievers?"

They are unbelievers as specified by the message Jesus is Christ . to preach means to EVANGELIZE .
Re: Examining Talk That Jehovah's Witnesses Are The Only Ones Preaching Out There by philipogunti: 7:06pm On Feb 16, 2018
I don't know why people hates jw and say bad things about them. I spent my whole life learning about all religion even to the extent of learning the Hebrew and Greek alphabets and the way they pronounce God as Jehovah is actually correct. It is pronounced as yehowah in Hebrew. As for the persecutions regarding jw.
Jw started their missionary service in 1920. Since then, they have bn persecuted and during the Biafra war, thousands were killed because of their neutrality towards war and it still continues today with alot of ppl opposing them in one way or another. During the two world wars, millions of jw were also killed for their neutrality. They continue to be persecuted in different countries like russia, Ukraine, Turkmenistan etc Despite all hardship, these ppl strive to be united and zealously preach the good news and it's something to commend them for.
These ppl are experiencing lots of hardship but ppl dont know and they don't make it an issue how they are being treated. Instead they solely rely in Jehovah, but one thing again they keep increasing. People should beware
Re: Examining Talk That Jehovah's Witnesses Are The Only Ones Preaching Out There by Hairyrapunzel: 8:21pm On Feb 16, 2018
philipogunti:
I don't know why people hates jw and say bad things about them. I spent my whole life learning about all religion even to the extent of learning the Hebrew and Greek alphabets and the way they pronounce God as Jehovah is actually correct. It is pronounced as yehowah in Hebrew. As for the persecutions regarding jw.
Jw started their missionary service in 1920. Since then, they have bn persecuted and during the Biafra war, thousands were killed because of their neutrality towards war and it still continues today with alot of ppl opposing them in one way or another. During the two world wars, millions of jw were also killed for their neutrality. They continue to be persecuted in different countries like russia, Ukraine, Turkmenistan etc Despite all hardship, these ppl strive to be united and zealously preach the good news and it's something to commend them for.
These ppl are experiencing lots of hardship but ppl dont know and they don't make it an issue how they are being treated. Instead they solely rely in Jehovah, but one thing again they keep increasing. People should beware

Is this one an advertisement of some sort? People can have contrary views to your own and still be friends with you. We don't agree that they are the only ones doing the preaching work. It doesn't mean we hate them. People can think differently from you it doesn't mean they are worldly, wicked or unrighteous. The earlier you stop this persecution complex the better for you. Always saying people hate jws beau they criticize and dont accept their doctrines . Nobody hates you guys. They just don't agree with your beliefs.
Many religious groups face persecution too.
Some of These countries you called have issues with other religious groups and countries too. They are known for violating human rights.

Russia banned salvation army one time yet this group never shouted they were being persecuted. Russia also has problems with Americans and homosexuals too.
The injustice isn't peculiar to your group only. Other groups are suffering too. Don't make it sound as if your group is the only one affected. You are being deceitful.
You can't deceive people like this to garner sympathy votes in order to gain more followers. Many of us are not daft as we watch the news, read wide and don't rely only on info fed to us by only one group.

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Re: Examining Talk That Jehovah's Witnesses Are The Only Ones Preaching Out There by Hairyrapunzel: 8:28pm On Feb 16, 2018
Jozzy4:


Smiles, you are the one who need to see things logically.

Remember Pentecost 33CE, and the various people that congregated together then. People going to Jerusalem has nothing to do with believing in Jesus .

As at when Jesus was 12 years old, when he wasn't even known yet ... Many already make the journey there .

So you can see its not a matter of been believers, All those who came to Pentecost in Jerusalem are not believers either .

Luke 2:41,42

41 Every year Jesus’ parents went to Jerusalem for the Festival of the Passover. 42 When he was twelve years old, they went up to the festival, according to the custom.

That nullifies the thought that the Eunuch was a beliver , How could he even belived in someone he doesn't know ?

He told Philip : who is it the prophet is talking about ?
The message is preached to those who are not yet believers , that is the point am trying to make here cos its d same message preached in Act 5:42 !



They are unbelievers as specified by the message Jesus is Christ . to preach means to EVANGELIZE .

Last last we preach and evangelize to believers and non believers. You can preach to anybody. When you have been fed from babyhood that preaching means going one house of a non jw to another to convince people to join your group your brain is locked to any explanation about this subject when it doesn't agree with the old men in new York's explanation.

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Re: Examining Talk That Jehovah's Witnesses Are The Only Ones Preaching Out There by philipogunti: 1:00am On Feb 17, 2018
Hairyrapunzel:


Is this one an advertisement of some sort? People can have contrary views to your own and still be friends with you. We don't agree that they are the only ones doing the preaching work. It doesn't mean we hate them. People can think differently from you it doesn't mean they are worldly, wicked or unrighteous. The earlier you stop this persecution complex the better for you. Always saying people hate jws beau they criticize and dont accept their doctrines . Nobody hates you guys. They just don't agree with your beliefs.
Many religious groups face persecution too.
Some of These countries you called have issues with other religious groups and countries too. They are known for violating human rights.

Russia banned salvation army one time yet this group never shouted they were being persecuted. Russia also has problems with Americans and homosexuals too.
The injustice isn't peculiar to your group only. Other groups are suffering too. Don't make it sound as if your group is the only one affected. You are being deceitful.
You can't deceive people like this to garner sympathy votes in order to gain more followers. Many of us are not daft as we watch the news, read wide and don't rely only on info fed to us by only one group.
: OK, good pep talk. Am sure u read my quote well yo realize am not a jw, but I do respect them. I wouldn't insult u in any way as nature already did. Garner sympathy u say, that's lame bro. I only stressed a few points why people dont like the Jws. So pick up your stake and don't let us create an animal abuse scene angry

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Re: Examining Talk That Jehovah's Witnesses Are The Only Ones Preaching Out There by true2god: 7:54am On Feb 17, 2018
philipogunti:
I don't know why people hates jw and say bad things about them. I spent my whole life learning about all religion even to the extent of learning the Hebrew and Greek alphabets and the way they pronounce God as Jehovah is actually correct. It is pronounced as yehowah in Hebrew. As for the persecutions regarding jw.
Jw started their missionary service in 1920. Since then, they have bn persecuted and during the Biafra war, thousands were killed because of their neutrality towards war and it still continues today with alot of ppl opposing them in one way or another. During the two world wars, millions of jw were also killed for their neutrality. They continue to be persecuted in different countries like russia, Ukraine, Turkmenistan etc Despite all hardship, these ppl strive to be united and zealously preach the good news and it's something to commend them for.
These ppl are experiencing lots of hardship but ppl dont know and they don't make it an issue how they are being treated. Instead they solely rely in Jehovah, but one thing again they keep increasing. People should beware
Your JW 'being persecuted' propaganda is stale bro; no serious person is falling for it any more. JW, on the other hand, are the ones 'persecuting' other Christian group with their malicious publications. They bimonthly release the AWAKE and WATCHTOWER filled with anti-christian propaganda, often written in a very technical and ingenious manners. I have, for over 15 years, read them and concluded that JW is nothing but a deceitful organization.

You can hardly see any Christian publication attacking the watchtower publications, their scandals, their doctrines, the cover-ups of the elders in JW (whenever any witness commits a crime, a witness is discouraged from exposing the crime of another witness to the public), and many more. The WATCHTOWER, in their snake oil salesman strategy, will come to you pretending to share 'the good news of the kingdom' with you, will however draw you away from God. They make you hate all religions, especially Christianity, and reprogram your taught pattern such that if you are feed up with JW, you will be so much depressed that you will hate the world around you. In psychology, they call it a 'siege mentality', such that it will be like the world versus the Jehovah's organization.

It is sad that millions have fallen into this mind-control trick of the WATCHTOWER organization in Brooklyn, NY. The way the elders at the Brooklyn, NY (US) were able to brainwash you guys, such that you guys take all instructions affecting your private and family life from them, is quite unbelievable. Use your brain or someone else will take it from you. Smell the coffee while it is very hot.
Re: Examining Talk That Jehovah's Witnesses Are The Only Ones Preaching Out There by Deadlytruth(m): 11:22am On Feb 17, 2018
Jozzy4:


Smiles, you are the one who need to see things logically.

Remember Pentecost 33CE, and the various people that congregated together then. People going to Jerusalem has nothing to do with believing in Jesus .

As at when Jesus was 12 years old, when he wasn't even known yet ... Many already make the journey there .

So you can see its not a matter of been believers, All those who came to Pentecost in Jerusalem are not believers either .

Luke 2:41,42

41 Every year Jesus’ parents went to Jerusalem for the Festival of the Passover. 42 When he was twelve years old, they went up to the festival, according to the custom.

That nullifies the thought that the Eunuch was a beliver , How could he even belived in someone he doesn't know ?

He told Philip : who is it the prophet is talking about ?
The message is preached to those who are not yet believers , that is the point am trying to make here cos its d same message preached in Act 5:42 !



They are unbelievers as specified by the message Jesus is Christ . to preach means to EVANGELIZE .

Before Jesus was born at all a lot of people both in Israel and outside Israel (including the Eunuch) had, through reading the books of the prophets, known he was going to come some day, and had therefore believed in him in advance and were eagerly waiting for him to be born.

Even Mary herself knew from the scriptures that a Messiah was going to come hence she was very happy to discover that she was the one chosen by God as His earthly mother. So the customs you talk about here were a foreshadowing of the fact that the most Jews were already aware of the coming of Jesus only that they had a mistaken idea of what He would look like.
In fact the Eunuch's visit to Jerusalem was not in fulfilment of any Jewish custom since he was not a Jew. It was rather strictly for worship of the God of Israel whom he had come to believe in despite being a gentile. Look at the verse again and face reality:

"So Philip got ready and went. Now an "Ethiopian eunuch, who was an important official in charge of the treasury of the queen of Ethiopia, was on his way home. He had been to Jerusalem to worship God and was going back home in his carriage."
I hope you accept the truth now.

Here is the account of what happened on the day of Pentecost as reported in Acts chapter 1;

5 There were Jews living in Jerusalem, religious people who had come from every country in the world. 6 When they heard this noise, a large crowd gathered. They were all excited, because all of them heard the believers talking in their own languages. 7 In amazement and wonder they exclaimed, “These people who are talking like this are Galileans!8 How is it, then, that all of us hear them speaking in our own native languages? 9 We are from Parthia, Media, and Elam; from Mesopotamia, Judea, and Cappadocia; from Pontus and Asia, 10 from Phrygia and Pamphylia, from Egypt and the regions of Libya near Cyrene. Some of us are from Rome, 11 both Jews and Gentiles converted to Judaism, and some of us are from Crete and Arabia—yet all of us hear them speaking in our own languages about the great things that God has done! But some doubted......"

These people were obviously not Jews but were gentile believers who were either living in Jerusalem or had travelled there to worship.
Likewise, they had unbelievers among them who formed the remaining part that the next chapter reported as full of doubt and therefore accused the disciples of drunkeness. So the crowd there was a mixture of believers and unbelievers.

Eunuch already knew about and believed in the God of Israel and the promise of the Messiah hence his owning a copy of the scriptures and the studying of it together with his visit to Jerusalem to worship as a gentile. He did not need to have seen Jesus face to face before believing in him. Did you yourself see Jesus face to face before believing in him? Was it not from the Bible you read about him just as the Eunuch?
Re: Examining Talk That Jehovah's Witnesses Are The Only Ones Preaching Out There by Hairyrapunzel: 12:37pm On Feb 17, 2018
philipogunti:
: OK, good pep talk. Am sure u read my quote well yo realize am not a jw, but I do respect them. I wouldn't insult u in any way as nature already did. Garner sympathy u say, that's lame bro. I only stressed a few points why people dont like the Jws. So pick up your stake and don't let us create an animal abuse scene angry

Stop peddling rumours guy. It doesn't help. I stressed out the fact that people having different opinions from yours doesn't signify hatred towards you. Deal with it and don't be pained. You take offence for people having contrary views.
Re: Examining Talk That Jehovah's Witnesses Are The Only Ones Preaching Out There by Jozzy4: 2:20pm On Feb 17, 2018
Deadlytruth:


Before Jesus was born at all a lot of people both in Israel and outside Israel (including the Eunuch) had, through reading the books of the prophets, known he was going to come some day, and had therefore believed in him in advance and were eagerly waiting for him to be born.


Even Mary herself knew from the scriptures that a Messiah was going to come hence she was very happy to discover that she was the one chosen by God as His earthly mother. So the customs you talk about here were a foreshadowing of the fact that the most Jews were already aware of the coming of Jesus only that they had a mistaken idea of what He would look like.
In fact the Eunuch's visit to Jerusalem was not in fulfilment of any Jewish custom since he was not a Jew. It was rather strictly for worship of the God of Israel whom he had come to believe in despite being a gentile. Look at the verse again and face reality:

"So Philip got ready and went. Now an "Ethiopian eunuch, who was an important official in charge of the treasury of the queen of Ethiopia, was on his way home. He had been to Jerusalem to worship God and was going back home in his carriage."
I hope you accept the truth now.

Here is the account of what happened on the day of Pentecost as reported in Acts chapter 1;

5 There were Jews living in Jerusalem, religious people who had come from every country in the world. 6 When they heard this noise, a large crowd gathered. They were all excited, because all of them heard the believers talking in their own languages.  7 In amazement and wonder they exclaimed, “These people who are talking like this are Galileans!8 How is it, then, that all of us hear them speaking in our own native languages? 9 We are from Parthia, Media, and Elam; from Mesopotamia, Judea, and Cappadocia; from Pontus and Asia, 10 from Phrygia and Pamphylia, from Egypt and the regions of Libya near Cyrene. Some of us are from Rome, 11 both Jews and Gentiles converted to Judaism, and some of us are from Crete and Arabia—yet all of us hear them speaking in our own languages about the great things that God has done! But some doubted......"

These people were obviously not Jews but were gentile believers who were either living in Jerusalem or had travelled there to worship.
Likewise, they had unbelievers among them who formed the remaining part that the next chapter reported as full of doubt and therefore accused the disciples of drunkeness. So the crowd there was a mixture of believers and unbelievers.

Eunuch already knew about and believed in the God of Israel and the promise of the Messiah hence his owning a copy of the scriptures and the studying of it together with his visit to Jerusalem to worship as a gentile. He did not need to have seen Jesus face to face before believing in him. Did you yourself see Jesus face to face before believing in him? Was it not from the Bible you read about him just as the Eunuch?

Oh, since every Jew expects the Messiah and worship God as well , I guess every Jew is a believer ? U can imagine .

Your desperation will move you to accept anything , despite the fact that the underlined separated those people from believers .


Fact remains the Ethiopia Eunuch going to Jerusalem doesn't make him a believer , Hence needed the message preached/ Evangelized in Acts 5;42 , the message of Jesus is Christ . strictly a message for unbelievers .

A believer already accept Christ as Messiah hence doesn't need such basic concept , proving the audience of Act 5:42 are unbelievers .
Re: Examining Talk That Jehovah's Witnesses Are The Only Ones Preaching Out There by Deadlytruth(m): 2:47pm On Feb 17, 2018
Jozzy4:


Oh, since every Jew expects the Messiah and worship God as well , I guess every Jew is a believer ? U can imagine .

Your desperation will move you to accept anything , despite the fact that the underlined separated those people from believers.


Fact remains the Ethiopia Eunuch going to Jerusalem doesn't make him a believer , Hence needed the message preached/ Evangelized in Acts 5;42 , the message of Jesus is Christ . strictly a message for unbelievers .

A believer already accept Christ as Messiah hence doesn't need such basic concept , proving the audience of Act 5:42 are unbelievers .

Hmmm. Very disingenuous of you as per the bolded. Do you think there was any specific formal ceremony instituted to mark when a Jew or gentile practising Judaism accepted the message about Jesus messiahship?
John the Baptist baptized people into Christ before Christ ever revealed Himself as the promised Messiah by way of commencing his ministry in full public glare. So you believe those Jews and unbelievers baptized by John the Baptist were still unbelievers after the baptism just because they had not physically met Jesus and any of his disciples for any teaching as at that moment?
The Bible says it clearly that the Ethiopian Eunuch went to Jerusalem to worship.
Is it really possible for a person to go and worship a God he had not yet believed in? Was it an Idol he went to worship there?
How come he went there to worship a different god and yet the God of Jesus Christ sent Philip to him to explain a message about Jesus to him? Does that make sense?
Re: Examining Talk That Jehovah's Witnesses Are The Only Ones Preaching Out There by Jozzy4: 5:33pm On Feb 17, 2018
Deadlytruth:


Hmmm. Very disingenuous of you as per the bolded. Do you think there was any specific formal ceremony instituted to mark when a Jew or gentile practising Judaism accepted the message about Jesus messiahship?
John the Baptist baptized people into Christ before Christ ever revealed Himself as the promised Messiah by way of commencing his ministry in full public glare. So you believe those Jews and unbelievers baptized by John the Baptist were still unbelievers after the baptism just because they had not physically met Jesus and any of his disciples for any teaching as at that moment?


The Bible says it clearly that the Ethiopian Eunuch went to Jerusalem to worship.
Is it really possible for a person to go and worship a God he had not yet believed in?
Was it an Idol he went to worship there?
How come he went there to worship a different god and yet the God of Jesus Christ sent Philip to him to explain a message about Jesus to him? Does that make sense?

Worshipping God is same as accepting Christ as Messiah? Gosh lol

Every Jew claims to worship Jehovah God in Jerusalem Yet many of them reject Jesus as Messiah till today !!! Learn and reason .

A Jew belives Messiah is coming BUT its a different ball game to accept that Jesus the son of Mary is that Messiah . ( identity )

You yourself quoted this :


Acts chapter 1;

5 There were Jews living in Jerusalem, religious people who had come from every country in the world. 6 When they heard this noise, a large crowd gathered. They were all excited, because all of them [ Religious people and Jews who has come to Jerusalem ] heard the believers talking in their own languages. "
( Bracket Mine )

Why are those religious people in Jerusalem Clearly Separated from believers in this verse ?

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