Tohzara:


.......still stuck in the 15th century.

And the reason for our nation's behindedness.

butterflyl1on:


You have no idea what vaxx and I are talking about do you?

Please intelligent people are having a chat. You would do well to watch and learn.

Even in your rush you just said and I quote



Yet logic to you still does not love infinite regress.

Go and sleep please and stop talking unintelligently

From the statement, infinite regress is more of a function of abstract concepts of measurement and not logic.


Keep pretending to be smart

ReinaFarine:
I am a theist... I believe in God and his existence.. I believe there is more to life than science explains... I don't know who that God is.... I'd like to think he goes by YHWH.. But I might be wrong... And until I am proven wrong I would be true to my belief in him... Simply because it gibes me peace and gives me enough brain space to worry about my purpose and leave the my origin story to HIM. But saying if the only reason for believing in Seun existence is because of nairaland is a little dumb (no offense) because, before nairaland seun existed. He was doing other things.. After Nairaland, he is still going to exist and do other things..
Heck let's go with your logic... Nairaland is seun's creation, seun is God's creation and God is The Kwasteris creation and I created the Kwasteris making it an Egg and Chicken situation.... Who is to disprove that the Kwasteris that might be the rays of my sight (since the universe is through the word of His mouth) didn't create God. He exists and the rays of my sight exists end of story.
I believe in God because of the peace I feel from my believe in him. Not because I exist or nature or anything... I feel better leaving the theory of my existence to the abstract... And until I'm proven otherwise.. I'm cool with that..

I am reinafarine the creator of Kwasteris.

I like honest and sincere people. I'm cool with you.

superhumanist:



From the statement, infinite regress is more of a function of abstract concepts of measurement and not logic.


Keep pretending to be smart

SMH yet it's logic that leads one on to this infinite regress despite it being abstract concepts of measurement isn't it?

Make an effort to be smart for once will you?

AngelicBeing:
Seun, you will use Nairaland to promote the gospel of Christ very soon, if you don't, God will flog you into obedience

To the Gospel of Enlightenment
Ami, amen

butterflyl1on:


SMH yet it's logic that leads one on to this infinite regress despite it being abstract concepts of measurement isn't it?

Make an effort to be smart for once will you?

But your original point was that logic lives infinite regress which is false.

Logic hardly leads to infinite regress except when it is applied to abstract concepts of measurement

Seun:
If God owned Nairaland, he would not operate any account on Nairaland.

He would communicate the rules by sending anonymous messages to random members, the chosen.

The rules presented by each chosen member would contradict the rules presented by the others.

There would be no way of knowing which chosen member had the correct rules.

People would just choose to follow whichever rules the person who invited them to the forum happened to follow.

There would be brutal thread-wars between the people following different sets of rules.

For each set of rules given by the chosen members, there would be multiple interpretations by random members.

The interpreters would claim to have received anonymous clues from the owner which they used to interpret the rules.

There would be brutal thread-wars between people following different interpretations of each set of rules.

Most of the chosen would have deleted their accounts and all posts in which they originally presented their rules.

There would be multiple versions of each set of rules floating about, with no way of knowing if any is correct.

People who break the rules won't be banned, because the chosen and the interpreters won't have any actual powers.

Interpreters will threaten those who break their rules that the owner will kill them after they deactivate their accounts.

The most famous interpreter will say that all rules are equally important: typos and posting porn pictures are the same.

That all members have broken the rules, so they deserve to be killed by the owner after they deactivate their accounts.

But there's good news: the owner's son joined the forum, and he presented his own version of the rules.

Though he was the only member who never broke any rule, his account was deactivated for the sins of the rule-breakers.

But the account was reactivated later and he was not killed because he was found to be innocent of rule-breaking.

And after his account was reactivated, he sent anonymous messages to some interpreters who are no longer active.

Therefore any rule-breaker who believes that the owner's son's account was deactivated for his errors shall not be killed!

The owner created a new forum, much better than Nairaland, which his son's believers shall be invited to any time now.

The son's profile was transferred to the new forum 3 minutes after reactivation, which is why it cannot be viewed.

But some members recall that some members said that some interpreters said they saw the son's reactivated profile.

What a mess.

Quite a long post though, but some things:
1. God is not the reason why different Christians have different instructions regarding certain things. Some folks get a whole lot of influence from sources other than God. And they base the knowledge they hold on such influences.
A good way to prove this is to check all the different BOOKS OF THE BIBLE for their positions on any given subject, and see if there's any contradiction. YOU WON'T FIND ANY DESPITE THE FACT THAT THESE DIFFERENT BOOKS HAVE DIFFERENT WRITERS.

2. To know which instruction is true, two tests: check for which one produces results, and check for how well it conforms with the writings in the Bible.

3. You guys emphasize God's position on war as though war was an evil thing, only peculiar to God. WHY DON'T YOU ADVOCATE THAT EVERY NATION OF THE WORLD-INCLUDING THE VAST MAJORITY OF THEM WHO DON'T BELIEVE ON GOD, WHY DON'T YOU ADVOCATE THAT THEY SCRAPPED THEIR MILITARY?

budaatum:

To the Gospel of Enlightenment
Ami, amen

Most Nigerian Christians are unable to divorce God from the Bible. Their 'idea' of God is strictly 'scriptural'. Whatever doesn't conform to that is worthless and has no lasting meaning.

That's what the Bible says.

Seun:
If God owned Nairaland, he would not operate any account on Nairaland.

He would communicate the rules by sending anonymous messages to random members, the chosen.

The rules presented by each chosen member would contradict the rules presented by the others.

There would be no way of knowing which chosen member had the correct rules.

People would just choose to follow whichever rules the person who invited them to the forum happened to follow.

There would be brutal thread-wars between the people following different sets of rules.

For each set of rules given by the chosen members, there would be multiple interpretations by random members.

The interpreters would claim to have received anonymous clues from the owner which they used to interpret the rules.

There would be brutal thread-wars between people following different interpretations of each set of rules.

Most of the chosen would have deleted their accounts and all posts in which they originally presented their rules.

There would be multiple versions of each set of rules floating about, with no way of knowing if any is correct.

People who break the rules won't be banned, because the chosen and the interpreters won't have any actual powers.

Interpreters will threaten those who break their rules that the owner will kill them after they deactivate their accounts.

The most famous interpreter will say that all rules are equally important: typos and posting porn pictures are the same.

That all members have broken the rules, so they deserve to be killed by the owner after they deactivate their accounts.

But there's good news: the owner's son joined the forum, and he presented his own version of the rules.

Though he was the only member who never broke any rule, his account was deactivated for the sins of the rule-breakers.

But the account was reactivated later and he was not killed because he was found to be innocent of rule-breaking.

And after his account was reactivated, he sent anonymous messages to some interpreters who are no longer active.

Therefore any rule-breaker who believes that the owner's son's account was deactivated for his errors shall not be killed!

The owner created a new forum, much better than Nairaland, which his son's believers shall be invited to any time now.

The son's profile was transferred to the new forum 3 minutes after reactivation, which is why it cannot be viewed.

But some members recall that some members said that some interpreters said they saw the son's reactivated profile.

What a mess.

With one flimsy correction


The owner will one day create a new forum, much better than Nairaland, which his son's believers shall be invited to any time now.

vaxx:
faith is more powerful than logic

Yes, look how faith moves mountains, while that lazy useless science (which is based on rational thought, which underpins logic), just allows me to type words on a device and the entire world gets to read them!

sonofluc1fer:

Most Nigerian Christians are unable to divorce God from the Bible. Their 'idea' of God is strictly 'scriptural'. Whatever doesn't conform to that is worthless and has no lasting meaning.

That's what the Bible says.

There was a time that comment of mine would fly right over people's minds, but here you are getting what is meant, O Ye Prince of a New Dawn, nourisher by the Fruit that opens the eye!

The day will come when those "Most Nigerian Christians", will become extinct. A new dawn would arise with a people imbued with a better idea of Gods, well prepared to build the new Jerusalem. And at that time, a voice would be heard saying "Let there be enlightenment", and there will be Enlightenment. And it will be good. For it is the first step.

Seun:
If God owned Nairaland, he would not operate any account on Nairaland.

He would communicate the rules by sending anonymous messages to random members, the chosen.

The rules presented by each chosen member would contradict the rules presented by the others.

There would be no way of knowing which chosen member had the correct rules.

People would just choose to follow whichever rules the person who invited them to the forum happened to follow.

There would be brutal thread-wars between the people following different sets of rules.

For each set of rules given by the chosen members, there would be multiple interpretations by random members.

The interpreters would claim to have received anonymous clues from the owner which they used to interpret the rules.

There would be brutal thread-wars between people following different interpretations of each set of rules.

Most of the chosen would have deleted their accounts and all posts in which they originally presented their rules.

There would be multiple versions of each set of rules floating about, with no way of knowing if any is correct.

People who break the rules won't be banned, because the chosen and the interpreters won't have any actual powers.

Interpreters will threaten those who break their rules that the owner will kill them after they deactivate their accounts.

The most famous interpreter will say that all rules are equally important: typos and posting porn pictures are the same.

That all members have broken the rules, so they deserve to be killed by the owner after they deactivate their accounts.

But there's good news: the owner's son joined the forum, and he presented his own version of the rules.

Though he was the only member who never broke any rule, his account was deactivated for the sins of the rule-breakers.

But the account was reactivated later and he was not killed because he was found to be innocent of rule-breaking.

And after his account was reactivated, he sent anonymous messages to some interpreters who are no longer active.

Therefore any rule-breaker who believes that the owner's son's account was deactivated for his errors shall not be killed!

The owner created a new forum, much better than Nairaland, which his son's believers shall be invited to any time now.

The son's profile was transferred to the new forum 3 minutes after reactivation, which is why it cannot be viewed.

But some members recall that some members said that some interpreters said they saw the son's reactivated profile.

What a mess.

Quite a long post though, but some things:
1. God is not the reason why different Christians have different instructions regarding certain things. Some folks get a whole lot of influence from sources other than God. And they base the knowledge they hold on such influences.
A good way to prove this is to check all the different BOOKS OF THE BIBLE for their positions on any given subject, and see if there's any contradiction. YOU WON'T FIND ANY DESPITE THE FACT THAT THESE DIFFERENT BOOKS HAVE DIFFERENT WRITERS.

2. To know which instruction is true, two tests: check for which one produces results, and check for how well it conforms with the writings in the Bible.

3. You guys emphasize God's position on war as though war was an evil thing, only peculiar to God. WHY DON'T YOU ADVOCATE THAT EVERY NATION OF THE WORLD-INCLUDING THE VAST MAJORITY OF THEM WHO DON'T BELIEVE ON GOD, WHY DON'T YOU ADVOCATE THAT THEY SCRAPPED THEIR MILITARY?

ZirdoRoray:

God is omniscient. When he created the universe, he saw the sufferings which humans would endure as a result of the sin of those original humans. He heard the screams of the damned. Surely he would have known that it would have been better for those humans to never have been born (in fact, the Bible says this very thing), and surely this all-compassionate deity would have foregone the creation of a
universe destined to imperfection in which many of the humans were doomed to eternal suffering. A perfectly compassionate being who creates beings which he knows are doomed to suffer is impossible.

God created the entire universe but He will punish you forever because you masturbated to release a natural urge.. lol

For records, the crux of the matter is "Existence of God" not His Character.

Character comes after existence.

ReinaFarine:


Sweetie, did you or did you not just conclude the fifth man is a fraudster?
And I didn't say you're close minded... I was just trying to say don't call him a fraudster on his words only

Alright dear... point taken...

I actually thought I was misunderstood at first...but thanks for the insight...

modik:


For records, the crux of the matter is "Existence of God" not His Character.

Character comes after existence.

Reverse Logic. In the case for the existence of God, the qualities attributed to him contradicts his existence. It is said he doesn't have flaws and the source of all existence. His actions proves him flawed therefore, he is impossible.

budaatum:

Yes, look how faith moves mountains, while that lazy useless science (which is based on rational thought, which underpins logic), just allows me to type words on a device and the entire world gets to read them!

Good thing you don't need faith to receive waves..

butterflyl1on:


You dodged the entire purpose of the OP and jumped on something else entirely.

This is you trying to roll the old and New Testament and the believers acceptance of God into one very mashed up and messed up analogy. You no even try at all. Let me poke a little hole in your analogy of errors.

Even though you are saying here that Christianity and God is built on uncertainty and confusion (confusion being a major factor) so let us evaluate the ripple effect of mass errors alright?

Assuming your analogy was true and Christianity is error prone and as you claim, massively flawed and extremely chaotic, then here are my questions.

My problem is you is that you LOVE telling lies always and love presenting your own alternate reality always as if its true when everybody knows it's a lie except you. Let's examine all the lies you've spewed and see if they make any sense.

1. Can chaos bring togetherness?

Where is the togetherness in Christianity today? Are catholics for example united with the non catholics? Do they share the same beliefs and do things together? So far catholics openly condemn non catholics and vice versa. Do the Greek othrodox even agree with the pentacoastals? They have different bibles with different and additional books. Do they even marry each other? Will a Seven day adventist marry a Catholic? Go and read the seven day adventist publication and see how they castigate and berate the catholics daily. There is NO unity amongst christians thatbisbwhy why there are different sects each with their own different theology and doctrines everywhere. Pastors are always at each other's neck. The only thing they are united at is using the name of Jesus to expliot people. There is no unity in Christianity, if there is the madness and confusion we see today will not exist.

2. Can chaos bring positive growth?

Yes it can. Muslims since inception have been very brutal and violent against each other. They kill each other always (shites and Sunnis ) but the religion is projected and expected to out grow every other religious group in 60 years to become the biggest religious group on earth. It is currently the fastest growing religion on earth despite the inherent confusion and chaos that exist btw it's two major sects.

But then the reality is that within Christianity and Islam each sect is growing on its own. Catholics are growing, protestants are growing, Sunnis are growing as well as shites but because we all sum them up as muslims and christians we all at the end claim that the religion is growing.

3. Can chaos cause a sharing of unified ideas and unifies desires to assist humanity and spread love?

You are a shameless LIAR. Christianity did NOT begin because the authorities that be wanted to had a unified desire to assist human beings. Christianity spread because the Roman empire wanted to conquer the world and wanted everybody to also forcefullyconvert to their religion. The biggest religionthat was spread through conquest in the history of humanity remains christianity. Millions were killed in the name of Jesus because they had to be forcefully converted. We have the correspondence btw the conquistadors and how they brutally had to convert the Mayans and the Aztecs to Christianity by force for example. Even here in African it was convert or die in some places. Many of our ancestors that rejected were banished or killed.
Today the quest has changed from killing and converting people by force to exploitation. Convert and bring your money to enrich the pastors is what is going on now.

4 Can chaos cause an explosive growth of Christianity from just over 2000 years ago when the number was 120 people to the about 2.4 billion people today?

If you are the only super power of your time and you go about conquering and annexing territoriesand forcing the people to convert to your only state religion you will gain a lot of converts over time. That was exactly what the Romans did with christianity.

This is roughly 1.2million added followers every year or 3300 new followers a day. This kind of chaos that brought this kind of growth must be a good one wouldn't you say so?

There are followers belonging and converting to the various sects with different doctrines that all fall under the umbrella group known as christianity but when you look close they are very different groups each with their varied set of beliefs. There is no universally accepted christian doctrine any where.

Christians argue with each other not to hate each other, but rather to gain spiritual knowledge from each other but after the arguments we ALL without exception fall back ON CHRIST!

This remains a lie. Go to any thread where catholics and protestants are slugging it out and tell me if they don't hate each other. In fact Catholicsand protestants fought the wars of the reformation in Europe that lasted over 200 years and killed about 11 million people according to some estimates.

We don't even have to go far. Here on nairaland I can easily show you were people like KingEbukasBlog, Winner, Oladegbu, and others have stated that catholics are not christians but agents of Satan. I have once quoted KingEbukasBlog on that to show him his hypocrisy when he said catholics are agents of Satan.

You don't call people whom you seek spiritual knowledge from agents of Satan do you? Go to the tithe threads and see the way christians call each other names. Your man Felixmoron is a known culprit, he condemns and threatens his fellow christians with hell sef over disagreements.

So you see, we rock and your analogy just bounced back on you

You rock over what? Your endless schism and disagreements or what? Can you go and preach as a visiting preacher in a Catholic church? Will your church allow a Jehovah witness preacher to come and preach in your church? Will a Seven day adventist allow a white garment wearing christian to go and preach in their church? Will an Ethopinion or maronite christian allow you to stand on their pulpit and preach to them as a visiting preacher? So which rocking are you talking about Mr lie lie .

Elthugnificent:
I have finally seen it all.

LMAO

Daeylar:


LMAO

It's a powerful drug my dear. How do you think Nigerians survive this dreadful country? God.

And it's real good shit.. you can 'rababableroski' away all spiritual problems.

budaatum:

Yes, look how faith moves mountains, while that lazy useless science (which is based on rational thought, which underpins logic), just allows me to type words on a device and the entire world gets to read them!

i will reply you when you stop applying your religious line of thought to the definition of the word faith..... it shows you are still a christian anyway. i challenge you to think out of the box and do not let bible , Quran and science be your limit...

ZirdoRoray:


Yes. Faith is very simple.

Amen, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, ‘Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it shall be done for him. Therefore I tell you, all that you ask for in prayer, believe that you will receive it and it shall be yours.
(Mark 11:24-25)

Jesus is quoted many times in the Bible saying that a believer can ask for anything through prayer and receive it. He even goes so far as to say that mountains and trees can be thrown into the sea simply by praying for it. This is clearly a lie, and can be proven to be a lie by any believer. Simply pray for me to be converted to Christianity right away. Or better yet ask God to move the mountains behind my house. He could make a lot of converts that way. If I’m converted today, I’ll post a public apology on this forum and devote my life to kissing God’s ass. If I’m not converted it would only be fair for you to apologize and devote your life to kissing my butt.

According to my simple 'faith' in the holy blabble. God means Galactic Obliteration Device..G.O.D. If you don't understand then you are not of this world please do quick and meet the giant spook in sky where every one wears white and gets bored singing to him forever because he created the entire universe. 1+1=2, therefore god exists.. lol

P2=>As per You converting (repenting) its not by Compulsion. Pharaoh experience 10 wonder/sign and he repented severally within the space of the manifestation of the 10 sign but at last perish.

P3=> Heaven is more than where people where white and signs, its a place where Ultra-Advance-Supersonic HiTech is seen as common lifestyle, you wont understand this.

ZirdoRoray:

Reverse Logic. In the case for the existence of God, the qualities attributed to him contradicts his existence. It is said he doesn't have flaws and the source of all existence. His actions proves him flawed therefore, he is impossible.

Your personal opinion.

budaatum:

Yes, look how faith moves mountains, while that lazy useless science (which is based on rational thought, which underpins logic), just allows me to type words on a device and the entire world gets to read them!

Which Voice Prompt/VoIP is more efficient that this

(Matt 8:8 [KJV])
The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed.

(Matt 8:9 [KJV])
For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it.

(Matt 8:13 [KJV])
And Jesus said unto the centurion, Go thy way; and as thou hast believed, so be it done unto thee. And his servant was healed in the selfsame hour.

modik:


Your personal opinion.

No. John: 1. 3. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
That means God is the Author of confusion, evil, moral decay.

butterflyl1on:


I have one simple question for you. Based on your knowledge of web design and building, and also based on your knowledge of the universe, which do you think is much more complex than the other? I do not have the strength for lengthy talk this morning. I am a bit busy while on here so I would like you to go straight to the point with the answer to my question.

The universe is more complex.

ZirdoRoray:


No. John: 1. 3. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
That means God is the Author of confusion, evil, moral decay.

1Cor. 14:32

I just need to laugh at the title of this thread

ROTFLMAO

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modik:


1Cor. 14:32

Let's go back to the beginning. If God is perfect and everything he created is perfect, how did evil come to exist?

tamethem:


[s]Kp revealing your state of mind.

I won't be surprised if a thread is started because of your sorry state any moment from now.

Accept my sympathy in advance. [/s]

tamethem:



[s]Still trying sooo hard to make sense


kp trying bro. [/s]

tamethem:


[s]You need an handkerchief to wipe your tears but sorry I don't help your type of guy.

I cant allow you to bite me [/s]

You said nothing. You only showed more proof of your retãrdation and evidence that you're an emoticon-obsessed idiot with life-long agraphia.

GTFO.

tamethem:

na today? you think deleting it will make them stop insulting Religion. NO!

Good point

ZirdoRoray:


Let's go back to the beginning. If God is perfect and everything he created is perfect, how did evil come to exist?

Ezk 28:15
Origin of iniquity.

OkCornel:


Per the bolded...thank you very much...you made a whole lot of sense there...especially for those who limit themselves to seeing life through the eyes of Science alone...

That is why I advocate that knowledge from different fields be synthesized to arrive at a conclusion after arguing for and against a position to be taken or a belief to be adopted...

Persuasiveness of evidence should outweigh the quantity of points raised...

Indeed.

Oh...and try not to see the Eternal Creator through the eyes of religion alone...

If there's sufficient reason for an eternal creator, there's more sufficient reason for an eternal universe.