budaatum:


Russia too can be said to have wanted dominance, bas, but what they've got out of the stupid error in understanding how the world works and thinking dominance is the same as 20th century military might, is a vast diminishing of themselves.

https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-economy-gdp-crash-ukraine-war-inflation-sanctions-energy-putin-2022-3

basilico:


Now thats the stuff that grows us in this fora. I learn a lot here. Lets spend more time even in our diverse views to help each other here. Being antagonist all the time does not help.
We are here to grow each other please not compete who knows more.

basilico:


we can also say that Putin has decreed to be paid in roubles Europe gas needs are 40 percent from russia,
. the rouble value has risen, how u explain that?

budaatum:


Bas, are you trying to be funny telling me what I've always done here?

What most don't understand is that with Nigeria adopting the American style of government, we have decided to go down the American historical political root but without the fueling force of occupying the land that America seized plus the free labour they seized with which to develop it, and without the political issues - race, gender confusion, oppression, etc - that they adopted their political system to solve, which is why we can't grow as America did and must find our own way after fully understanding the path we currently travel.

Unfortunately, we turn ourselves into the Right and the Left, a concept that does not even exist in Nigeria except perhaps as the North and the South, or my tribe and your tribe, a division that does get in the way of our learning.

Good thing is, the truth shall set us free. We just have to be mature enough to admit it when we see it bas, instead of thinking those with a different view or opinion are competing with us.

Anyway, I just watched some Chomsky, and all the way through thought, this is Bas' mouthpiece, if only he, bas, knew what he, bas, was saying. His [url=https://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/book/lookupname?key=Chomsky%2C%20Noam]books are much better[/url], of course.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wneThOUcpsQ

budaatum:


It's still a lot below its pre-invade Ukraine value, and does hurt Russia, as inflationary evidence shows, and will get worse.

Europe is looking for alternative sources for gas. Once it finds it (could take 2-5 years, so note it's a long term thing, though article says in a year), Russia could eat it's gas for all the world cares, but long before then, Russia will start to eat it's roubles as it suffers from an inability to find anywhere to spend it's roubles except in China, or sell anything else except at a discount.

basilico:


we can also say that Putin has decreed to be paid in roubles Europe gas needs are 40 percent from russia,
. the rouble value has risen, how u explain that?

budaatum:


Bas, are you trying to be funny telling me what I've always done here?

What most don't understand is that with Nigeria adopting the American style of government, we have decided to go down the American historical political root but without the fueling force of occupying the land that America seized plus the free labour they seized with which to develop it, and without the political issues - race, gender confusion, oppression, etc - that they adopted their political system to solve, which is why we can't grow as America did and must find our own way after fully understanding the path we currently travel.

Unfortunately, we turn ourselves into the Right and the Left, a concept that does not even exist in Nigeria except perhaps as the North and the South, or my tribe and your tribe, a division that does get in the way of our learning.

Good thing is, the truth shall set us free. We just have to be mature enough to admit it when we see it bas, instead of thinking those with a different view or opinion are competing with us.

Anyway, I just watched some Chomsky, and all the way through thought, this is Bas' mouthpiece, if only he, bas, knew what he, bas, was saying. His [url=https://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/book/lookupname?key=Chomsky%2C%20Noam]books are much better[/url], of course.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wneThOUcpsQ

benalvino3:


it has bounced back to pre-invaded value.
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/russias-ruble-rebound-raises-questions-sanctions-impact-83768547

budaatum:


Time will tell us which way it ends up and whom it costs.

benalvino3:


they really don't care. and the west may be losing its strength through sanctions as we can see

budaatum:


Imagine Americans having to put up with Russia type sanctions and it's inflation alone, Jan 6 will be like a celebration party compared, and Let's Go Brandon will be Let's Burn Biden, left and right.

I would not agree that the west is losing any strength through sanctions.Sri Lanka, Greece, I hear, are rioting. Watch to see as others join in, including Russians, eventually.

benalvino3:


the folks at N. Korea don't want to put up with such sanctions. but when you have a government that can make you disappear and a system that supports such government... you will have to put up.

sanction did not make Iran, North Korea, Russia change

PDPGuy:
Some grim economic facts:

- 63% of jobs in the US only offer salaries of between $15,000 - $20,000/year

- Since China joined the World Trade Organization in 2001, the US has been losing 50,000 manufacturing jobs per month. Which means, over 12.6 million of such jobs have been lost since then.

- Meanwhile, only 23% of the approximately 11 million US job openings are your typical middle class positions.

- 21.3% of the US population receives financial assistance from the US government every month.

benalvino3:


the folks at N. Korea don't want to put up with such sanctions. but when you have a government that can make you disappear and a system that supports such government... you will have to put up.

sanction did not make Iran, North Korea, Russia change

Ibime:


Just because punishment won't change some leaders doesn't mean punishment should be withdrawn, unless you have a better alternative

Sanction is the only alternative to war with a stronghead opposition that refuses diplomacy

Eventually those societies crumble or their best brains leave

Sanctions killed Soviet Union. You can't get more empirical evidence than that, and it has certainly slowed down nuke advancements in Iran

budaatum:


The US has been exporting, is more like it, since they are the ones who invested in building factories in China.

And how did China manage it? By providing cheap labour that so outweighed the benefit of the dollar that Americans converted their dollar into remnimbi to pay for Chinese labour instead of their own American labour because the returns were higher, so higher that America goes into debt to purchase it.

Now, that's how intelligent people win economic wars in the twenty first century! Make their money flow into your economy.

Ibime:


Just because punishment won't change some leaders doesn't mean punishment should be withdrawn, unless you have a better alternative

Sanction is the only alternative to war with a stronghead opposition that refuses diplomacy

Eventually those societies crumble or their best brains leave

Sanctions killed Soviet Union. You can't get more empirical evidence than that, and it has certainly slowed down nuke advancements in Iran

budaatum:


It makes their people suffer and you'd have to spend more money making people disappear, and you'd also not be able to steal much tax from them.

You, folk, for sure, don't sound like people who'd like to put up with living in any of those countries. Is that perhaps because it would be too much suffer for you or are you just being sarcastic, again?

benalvino3:


I am not saying it should be withdrawn, all I am saying is if China wants to enter Taiwan, no amount of sanction will deter them.

This is no longer the time of 1990s when their allies were not economical behemoths. China is the number 2 economy if not number 1 and sanctions against them will have equal effect on those putting it.

And like I said, these people don't care if their people eat once a month. If them Wan do something they are more likely to do it if they feel it's the right time and their plan will succeed.

China waiting for the right time to invade Taiwan. It's not the fear of sanctions keeping them out... It's the fear of failure. Taiwan is as capable as China, they have modern equipments and China has not proven itself. So all the talk of military might may be blablabla

basilico:


we can also say that Putin has decreed to be paid in roubles Europe gas needs are 40 percent from russia,
. the rouble value has risen, how u explain that?