Jethrolite:
You're making no sense, abeg shift. This conversation is done.

EgunMogaji:


You should always negotiate your salary. If you don't then you're leaving money on the table.

But to negotiate you have to offer the employment more than just because you think you deserve it. What certifications and experiences are you bringing to the table that will allow you to hit the ground running?

chrisbaxtian:
@oga smithsammy, some hr firms collect as much as 50% of the salary meant for the contract staff! I don't think any collects less than 30%. it is the unfortunate norm in the labour market today in Nigeria. imagine a graduate earning N40,000 after hr consultant has collected his own share

EgunMogaji:


I cuddle my ignorance and if you had 1/1,000th of it you'll be accomplished. But you're not. Since we are giving unsolicited well wishes, here's mine to you.

I wish you best of luck on carrying that chip on your shoulder. Hopefully, potential employers will look past your dim view of how corporate entities work.

BlueRayDick:


lol. You can't even justify your initial assertion, when presented with superior argument you suddenly play the ' my opinion remains my opinion and I am entitled to it ' card. And here you are talking about accomplishment.

1/1000th indeed

penance:
Their own good, my salary was deducted till the point of 30k after dey said 35 when the original was 40 or so, for a job that required standing in a showroom till 8pm, six days a week and I had to drop ur phone outside.

Anyway the day i saw my salary alert of 29k, i no even try call the agent for an explanation as I usually did.. I just pull my uniform that afternoon, hours before closing and waka, no resignation letter, no bye bye to my co workers.....how i go manage when my transport and feeding na 30k, shey i no go save ni..

Shout out to my fellow Nigerians that work in electronic showrooms and malls, may God give u the courage to walk away from those jobs that make us die inside,slowly.

chuksanambra:
Jim Ovia owns Zenith Bank and his wife owns Peopleplus while his daughter owns Zenith Insurance.

They employ graduates and pay 70k as contract staff. Peopleplus as the outsourcing firm deducts 30 which leaves the staff with 40k as salary.

Later on, Zenith Insurance absorbs the staff and keeps paying that 40K.

I hope you see the cycle?

EgunMogaji:


Exaclty.

Isn't it great?

LeJeun3:




That's where the problem lies, these outsourcing firms do not care, do not bother with whatever you are bringing to the table. They are more concerned with their offer letter, full of meandering legal loops and back channels.

BlueRayDick:


Well if it makes you sleep well, then why not?

tomdon:



Thank God another person shares my perspective of the uselessness of the not too young to run bill.

EgunMogaji:


I salute you, Sir.

More should have the intestinal fortitude that you displayed but they would rather whine online.

LordKO:
There's nothing slavery about outsourcing. Actually, its main aim is to enable optimum productivity and to reduce operational cost.

IamaNigerianGuy:


There is everything wrong with outsourcing as practiced in Nigeria.

First it creates a temporary workforce out of the employee pool that has minimal salary, no benefits, no pension and effectively no rights. In addition, it enriches the outsourcing companies to the detriment of the employee. It is bad for society because the wage of the worker is reduced leading to lower taxes, lower purchasing power, and increased liabilities as workers age and retire. Finally it is humiliating as it creates a two-tiered structure of 'permanent' and temporary staff.

The real reasons outsourcing is practiced in Nigeria are because we lack effective government and companies use this loophole to exploit workers. In North America, contract workers are paid higher wages and emoluments than regular workers (eg check the Alberta oil boom) to account for the temporary. Regulated working hours, medical insurance, disability insurance, contributory pension (401k in the USA) etc are a must.
Modern countries with their renaissance after WWII, did not rebuild their economies with temporary outsourced labor.

penance:

True but the fear of where the next paycheck will come from is a major reason why people endure such depressing jobs.

IamaNigerianGuy:


There is everything wrong with outsourcing as practiced in Nigeria.

First it creates a temporary workforce out of the employee pool that has minimal salary, no benefits, no pension and effectively no rights. In addition, it enriches the outsourcing companies to the detriment of the employee. It is bad for society because the wage of the worker is reduced leading to lower taxes, lower purchasing power, and increased liabilities as workers age and retire. Finally it is humiliating as it creates a two-tiered structure of 'permanent' and temporary staff.

The real reasons outsourcing is practiced in Nigeria are because we lack effective government and companies use this loophole to exploit workers. In North America, contract workers are paid higher wages and emoluments than regular workers (eg check the Alberta oil boom) to account for the temporary. Regulated working hours, medical insurance, disability insurance, contributory pension (401k in the USA) etc are a must.
Modern countries with their renaissance after WWII, did not rebuild their economies with temporary outsourced labor.

Funkybabee:
It is one of our wicked acts in Nigeria, why don't u collect a percentage when get the job instead of deducting from their salaries every month,May God help Nigerian

don4real18:

Oga, what is bad is bad... You shouldn't encourage such because the country is in a standstill state due to the high level of corruption. What happened to employees welfare?
Why will high percentages be deducted from the workers salary... It is absolutely wrong. I was jobless for some months, got a job through an outsourcing firm at a bank with a ridiculous offer. I rejected it when I found out that 50% of my salary was to go to the HR firm. I cannot reduce myself to the state where a monkey will work and a baboon will eat. We can change this form of slavery if and only if, we discourage it publicly

Funkybabee:
It is one of our wicked acts in Nigeria, why don't u collect a percentage when get the job instead of deducting from their salaries every month,May God help Nigerian

EgunMogaji:


Don’t mind some of them.

If you go in as a contractor and prove yourself then you may get picked up.

As an employer, why would I waste resources to board and then have to fire an employee that didn’t work out.

salford1:
Congratulations for discovering that most of the world embrace a capitalist type of economy.

Those that have never been outside the country think this is exclusive to Nigeria alone,you are wrong. Lived in the Uk and Canada, and it is a very common practice in these countries too. To make it even worse, In Canad, they would transfer some jobs overseas (India, Philippines and South America) because of cheaper labour.

I worked for one of the biggest bank in the world some years back. While I was lucky to have been offered a permanent full time position, more than 60% of our work force were outsourced from recruiting firm. They even had a different colour of ID card to make it easy to identify them. The way they get fired is even worse. No warning or anything. They are just called on the phone by their employee, i.e. the outsourcing firm not to resume to work the following day and return their ID card and all other bank properties to the HR firm. This was in the Uk.

By doing so, employee benefits like union participation, pension, promotions, warnings before disengagement, health insurance, benefits, holiday pay, bonuses, allowances e.t.c are avoided.

Not saying it's a good thing, but Nigerian outsourcing firm are learners when compared to the ones abroad.

ednut1:
The directors of the companies and that of the HR coy are usually d same. Smart way to move money

oyb:


outsourcing firms in nigeria are a bit dodgy because in the end, its all family business. in your banks, oil companies and telco run/owned by Nigerians, yo will find that the outsourcing companies are also owned by the cronies/family members of these same nigerians.

but the big issue - its a buyer's market. in a country where people are willing to pay for employment . . .

IamaNigerianGuy:


There is everything wrong with outsourcing as practiced in Nigeria.

First it creates a temporary workforce out of the employee pool that has minimal salary, no benefits, no pension and effectively no rights. In addition, it enriches the outsourcing companies to the detriment of the employee. It is bad for society because the wage of the worker is reduced leading to lower taxes, lower purchasing power, and increased liabilities as workers age and retire. Finally it is humiliating as it creates a two-tiered structure of 'permanent' and temporary staff.

The real reasons outsourcing is practiced in Nigeria are because we lack effective government laws and regulations, and companies use these loopholes to exploit workers. In North America, contract workers are paid higher wages and emoluments than regular workers (eg check the Alberta oil boom) to account for the temporary nature of the job. Regulated working hours, medical insurance, disability insurance, contributory pension (401k in the USA) etc are a must.

Modern countries with their renaissance after WWII, did not rebuild their economies with temporary outsourced labor.

DEHVEHLOP:
This op is sure to be an Igbo...



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Shiorrrrrr

TalkTalkTwins:
The richest banks in Nigeria are not whom you thought, you need to see the updated list of richest bankers in Nigeria.
I'm sure Number 3 will amaze you!

Green222:
I am working in one so I can tell you what they go thru. I am working as an outsourced staff in a bank presently. The bank pays to the company who in turned pay us without us having ideas of what the bank is paying them. In every other aspects we are a staff of the Bank but when it is wages and benefits,they refer to us as staff of the outsourced company. I remember when we are transferred from an outsourcing company to another, they pay us just one month in lieu and the new company gave us a fresh offer letter starting from the day they took over. Those that have spent several years lost all those years and became a new staff in the new company. Salary increments of 10k is like every four years and the outsourced company cannot request for review cos they don't want to be disbanded. Worst of all, you don't know how much is being deducted from your salary and you don't dare ask. I heard recently that the Security Supervisors at the regional level is been given N500/ each security staff under his supervision , so think of what those H/office HR that contract them will get monthly. Outsourcing deductions is been shared among the the company and the executive management. Outsourcing is slavery and Nigeria Govt turn a deaf ear to this modern day slavery