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Re: Kemi Adeosun NYSC Certificate Scandal: Bigger Picture Of NYSC & Nigerians Abroad by LaudableXX: 2:08pm On Jul 11, 2018 |
Re: Kemi Adeosun NYSC Certificate Scandal: Bigger Picture Of NYSC & Nigerians Abroad by LaudableXX: 2:10pm On Jul 11, 2018 |
abnot: FFK registered for NYSC and served, but did not complete his NYSC service year, before going back to England. I don't know if he later came back to complete it. It was during his service year, he got serious with his first wife Saratu Atta. He lived in their family house in GRA Apapa, at that time. Secondly, the sole purpose of NYSC is not only integration. It is also to ensure that under-served communities get trained people to offer them badly needed services, that are in short supply. Like I said earlier, there are communities in Nigeria that would never have been able to get anything like medical care, if not for the youth corper doctors posted to cottage hospitals in such communities. There are also several public schools that are hopelessly short-staffed, and have benefited from corpers who served as teachers in such public schools. My cousin's love for science subjects, stemmed from his integrated science teacher in high school. The teacher was a youth corper who introduced them to science subjects, using innovative methods with a lot of clarity and passion. He carried out a number of experiments, using improvised tools & equipment, that caught their attention. Today, my cousin is a chemical engineer working with a nuclear power plant in the UK. And he has never forgotten his science teacher, who opened his eyes to the world of science. You claim "NYSC has since outlived it's usefulness. You can continue to deceive yourself on its relevance...." No sir, you are the one who is too myopic to see its benefits or usefulness, and the fact that diverse people have passed through the scheme, without whining, wailing or making noise about it. Many public schools, community primary health care centres, agric programmes and even publishing houses have benefited from it. And thousands of corpers have found it useful. If NYSC was useless, then why is Kemi Adeosun getting the flak, for not serving in the scheme? Finally, you claim you have no sense of entitlement? You could have fooled me. By the way, how old did you say you were again? |
Re: Kemi Adeosun NYSC Certificate Scandal: Bigger Picture Of NYSC & Nigerians Abroad by ogongogames(m): 6:32pm On Jul 11, 2018 |
LaudableXX: Of course any person of Nigerian extraction who studied abroad would be classified as a foreign graduate, that is not my point. My point is that there are different types of foreign graduates. I don't think you understand that at 22 years old, she probably had zero interest in Nigeria nor did she ever envisage herself living in the country. A good proportion of those "born and bred" abroad don't even know that NYSC exists nor that it is compulsory. Take it from some who has lived my entire life in the UK apart from my time during NYSC. 1 Like |
Re: Kemi Adeosun NYSC Certificate Scandal: Bigger Picture Of NYSC & Nigerians Abroad by AmbodOfLASU: 8:54pm On Jul 11, 2018 |
LaudableXX: You misread the whole article. It's focused on those who were born and brought up there not those who have been in Nigeria for the most part of their lives before traveling out to study. For the former, it's more difficult for them to immediately return home for NYSC since many of them don't have families in Nigeria. |
Re: Kemi Adeosun NYSC Certificate Scandal: Bigger Picture Of NYSC & Nigerians Abroad by LaudableXX: 10:44pm On Jul 11, 2018 |
AmbodOfLASU:I did not misread anything. You were advocating for those who were born abroad & schooled abroad, to be exempted from the NYSC scheme. And your silly excuses do not hold water. There is nothing difficult about taking out 1 year to participate in a compulsory national service scheme, in your own country. And saying that they don't have families in Nigeria, is hogwash. They are Nigerians too, for crying out loud. Did their Nigerian parents drop from the sky? There is nothing difficult about spending just one year in Naija. If you cannot do it, then live with the consequences and do not moan about being excluded from getting jobs, in Nigeria. End of story. Go back & read Silvermoney's response in the first few pages of this thread. It is the best reply to your childish attempts, to make silly excuses for your clique. |
Re: Kemi Adeosun NYSC Certificate Scandal: Bigger Picture Of NYSC & Nigerians Abroad by LaudableXX: 10:53pm On Jul 11, 2018 |
ogongogames: Oga, you are still defending the indefensible, and it is making you sound clueless. The same 22 year old, who would not think it is strange to go off to another European or Western country, on an internship or an exchange programme, suddenly finds it more difficult than rocket science to incorporate 1 year of national service under the NYSC scheme, into her plans or her itinerary? What kind of tales by moonlight is that one? For those who have any desire to move back to Naija and find work, or eventually take up a political appointment, it is in their interest to conduct some research, and know that such a scheme exists. Stop claiming that most of them do not know it exists. Are they living on the moon? How come most of the other "born and bred abroad Nigerians, that lived all their lives abroad," who came home to partake in NYSC, know about it? This issue is simple. If "born and bred abroad Nigerians" don't want to do NYSC, then they should strike out any plans of coming back home to take up a political appointment, or a govt job or a position in the corporate sector, here. They should not whine about being excluded from such things, due to their failure to take part in NYSC. They can open up a shop or a become an entrepreneur, when they return to Naija. No NYSC certificate or exemption letter, is required for that. Let those who participated in the scheme and have proof to show for it, take up such jobs. Is that too difficult to understand? Silvermoney's response earlier on in this thread was spot on, and it is the perfect response to those "born and bred abroad Nigerians" who want to eat their cake and have it. |
Re: Kemi Adeosun NYSC Certificate Scandal: Bigger Picture Of NYSC & Nigerians Abroad by AmbodOfLASU: 11:26am On Jul 12, 2018 |
LaudableXX: You are just throwing insults without putting on your thinking cap but I won't use unprintable words like you - it shows your level of intelligence. Dude, I never said they should be exempted or where on earth did you see that? Is reforms the same as outright exemption? Have you even read the NYSC Act and the gaps there? (1). You are not eligible for NYSC exemption letter once you graduated before the age of 30; (2).The Act is also vague on what happens after the age of 30 upon your ineligibility for exemption letter. You also said did their "parents" fall from the sky? Really, so, you failed to see where I pointed out the fact that many of them only have a Nigerian parent(mostly a father) who married a foreigner. Someone like Dele Alli, under his own circumstances, he had no single family to point at in Nigeria and you expect people like him to come and serve immediately after school? What about so many of them whose parent(s) died and never took them home, thus, they know no ant or fly in Nigeria? The reason why I'm making a case for the diaspora is because of brain drain. Many bright Nigerians are building other countries while we wallow in challenges. These countries also know how valuable they are and they are bent on keeping them while you throw them away! I always believe there should be a synergy between those who are at home and those in the diaspora. . The unfortunate thing is that the prejudiced don't see that those back home who are passionate about home and those outside who are passionate about home are on the same team. Sure, one group may not be living in Nigeria, but that doesn't make them automatically removed, or less concerned, or even without knowledge of the workings in the country. That assumption is ignorant at best and spiteful at worst. There are Nigerians abroad who watch the Senate proceedings. You see those boring things they show on NTA that many Nigerians don't even watch? Some people abroad watch them keenly. Nigerians abroad are currently pushing a bill in through House hearings to curb child abuse and molestation. How many Nigerians at home know that? Some Nigerians abroad in their late 30s travel to Nigeria at least once in 2 months for meetings with govt officials and private sector investors on how to beef up cyber security and improve police response time to emergencies through global positioning technology but how many people in Nigeria know? I can go on and on and these are just examples involving people I know personally. Note : many of these people I mentioned took the decision to be more involved in Nigeria in that 30s after they had gained their foothold on life. Take a look at this scenario : A friend born to a Nigeria father (who died while his son was barely 5 years old) finished from MIT in his 20s, immediately he got a fully funded scholarship for his Ph.D. Upon his education, he got a job with NASA and later Microsoft. This guy is one of the top guys in Silicon Valley whose worth is in billions(#) as we speak and he is of Nigerian ancestry. Now, he is in his 30s and he talks about the plans he has for Nigeria in the area of technology. In fact, Osinbajo(who was in California some days ago) wrote to him and he requested to meet with him. Now, this guy is being poached by an agency in U.S but he is more passionate about Nigeria at the moment - he plans returning home soon but he is confused on what NYSC Act has in store for him since he is no longer eligible for NYSC exemption letter and the Nigerian government is greatly interested in him. Now, what do you want him to do with NYSC? Remember, he has no root in Nigeria (he does not even know his state or any family member since his Dad died quite early and he never got to meet anyone) and thus he could not have easily returned for NYSC in his 20s(he also could not have turned down a fully funded Ph.D scholarship when he is being catered for by a single mother). Be objective and fair. |
Re: Kemi Adeosun NYSC Certificate Scandal: Bigger Picture Of NYSC & Nigerians Abroad by LaudableXX: 3:35pm On Jul 12, 2018 |
AmbodOfLASU: There are NO insults in my posts, only facts. And nobody needs your lengthy epistle. You have just contradicted your stand, with this post. Go back and read your initial post & subsequent remarks on this subject, where you were advocating that the foreign-born & bred Nigerians should not be deprived of jobs in Nigeria, because they did not do NYSC. Were you not the same person who wrote this? AmbodOfLASU: Were you not calling for an exemption for your foreign born & bred Nigerians, in your post? My point (and that of a few others here) was simple. They should not wave that card. If holding down a political post in Nigeria, or getting a corporate role here is important, then they should do the NYSC, or leave such jobs for those who have served and have the certificate to show for it. There is nobody who has Nigerian blood in him, that does not have family members or roots in Nigeria. Again, my earlier question still stands: "Did their Nigerian parents drop from the sky?" The reason I asked, is that most Nigerians have extensive family roots, that cut across different villages and communities. Ties formed by blood, ancestry and marital bonds. But when some folks travel abroad, they either severe those ties, or ignore them and such relationships fall into disrepair or get broken. Instead of finding & fixing those ties,they then want to circumvent it, by playing the victim card and trying to use govt jobs as a way to reintegrate themselves back into society, because they see themselves as contributing 'something' to Nigeria. It is like leaving the root cause of a problem to deal with the symptoms. The same foreign-born & bred Nigerians abroad see nothing wrong in junketing off to far-flung countries or places whose names they cannot even pronounce, on excursions, exchange programmes and expeditions, for any length of time. But they balk at coming to Naija, as if our country is some remote jungle that cannot sustain them for a day. One of my friends has gone to Uzbekhistan to work, has visted Taipei for a 6-months residency programme, and has even been to Burundi for a workshop. But each time he is asked to come to Nigeria, he gives a long list of excuses about how difficult it is for him to do so. Really?? Even Anthony Joshua's father brought him to Ogun State after he won his title abroad, and they visited his grandfather's ancestral home, after paying a visit to the governor. So these your excuses do not hold water. Dele Alli has a Nigerian father. But he chose to cut ties with his father Kehinde Alli. His Nigerian parents have been pleading for him to acknowledge them. Go and read up the whole story. It is public knowledge. Whose fault is it, if he chooses not to renew ties with his parents, and cuts himself off from his Nigerian heritage? Is it NYSC's fault? He is the one that has shot himself in the foot. So the NYSC should make exemptions in his case, if there is a need for him to present an NYSC certificate to be able to hold down a job in Nigeria? It sounds ridiculous. Dele Alli is even a footballer, and NYSC certificates are not a requirement for those who wish to be called up for the national team. He even met up with his father in 2010 and they took a picture together. So what are you rambling on about? Read the whole story here; https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/dele-allis-estranged-parents-issue-9918748 As for the Nigerians pushing for a bill to prohibit child molestation etc, I wish them luck. There are different groups and NGOs also pushing for the exact same thing, right here in Nigeria. Passing the bill is not a problem, enforcing it is always the challenge. Let them come and join the police force to enforce it. There is already a lot of synergy between those abroad and those back home. Go and check. It is those who have not done their research, that do not realise it. A lot of doctors and other medical people abroad, come back to Nigeria at least once a year, to hold medical outreaches for people in different communities, on our shores. Others come to Nigeria to lecture at different universities, or to arrange joint exchange programmes or conferences back home. So the synergy you are advocating is not a new thing, it has been going on for years. Your Ph.D friend should just look for any international organisation or UN agency that can hire him, and post him back to Nigeria as an expatriate. He would then be treated as an expatriate and subjected to the same terms, conditions and residency status as one. There is no need for him to claim Nigerian citizenship, if he cannot trace his father's/mother's people and bond with them. Another thing is that he is in his 30s. He is still relatively young. He should apply to NYSC sharp-sharp, and participate in the scheme. 1 year is not a life sentence. Those who do not know an ant or a fly in Nigeria, should visit the country as foreigners, too. Foreigners have been working in Nigeria and for Nigeria, for many years. There is nothing new about it. All the foreign-born & bred Nigerians abroad who failed to serve in the NYSC scheme before they clocked 30, yet they still want to impart knowledge to Nigerians in the area of cybersecurity and technology, can easily do so as foreigners. No need for long story. Let them get their visas, book hotel rooms and fly in to do their bit. What is so difficult about that? We can respectfully agree to disagree on this subject. Now, kindly refrain from quoting me, in your next epistle. Thanks. |
Re: Kemi Adeosun NYSC Certificate Scandal: Bigger Picture Of NYSC & Nigerians Abroad by ogongogames(m): 9:40pm On Jul 12, 2018 |
LaudableXX: It's clear you have no idea about the life of a typical Nigerian born and raised abroad or you are basing your views on limited encounters. Less than 20% of Nigerian parents abroad take their children to Nigeria. You have based your perspective on a affluent demographic who are in the minority. You seem to refuse at acknowledging that those "born and bred" abroad taking part in NYSC are a minority, which everyone would agree with. I have tried to share some views on why this is but you clearly got an agenda you are sticking with. Some of your comments make me chuckle. Not once have I excused Kemi Adeosun, In fact I clearly insinuated that I have no problems with your views of NYSC. YOU jumped to conclusions or maybe you enjoy finding arguments?. My take was that I understand why she may not have partaken in programme immediately after she graduated. Not every situation is black or white, try and open your mind to different possibilities. |
Re: Kemi Adeosun NYSC Certificate Scandal: Bigger Picture Of NYSC & Nigerians Abroad by LaudableXX: 10:42pm On Jul 12, 2018 |
Re: Kemi Adeosun NYSC Certificate Scandal: Bigger Picture Of NYSC & Nigerians Abroad by LaudableXX: 10:44pm On Jul 12, 2018 |
ogongogames: Oga, you also seem to have no idea that many Nigerians based abroad, still have ties with Nigeria. There is no agenda in my posts, so stop your wild conjecture. If you believe there is one, kindly spell it out in chapter and verse since you know so much about it. You cannot even know how much of my life was spent abroad, so do not even go there. I have met all sorts of Nigerians from all walks of life, both at home and abroad. You claim that "Less than 20% of Nigerian parents abroad take their children to Nigeria...." Did you do a survey or study or census, before you arrived at this conclusion? If the kids do not go to Nigeria, what about their Nigerian parents? It doesn't matter if it is only the father that is a Nigerian, or just the mother. Are such parents averse to travelling to Nigeria, too? Or are the relatives of those parents back home, allergic to contacting them, as well? You seem to have a rather narrow view of the lifestyles of Nigerians, based abroad. Even those who do not travel to back home regularly, still update themselves by reading up news about Nigeria, or exchanging phone calls with their relatives, in order to find out what goes on within the country. Are you trying to say that all the news items that have filtered through to such Nigerians resident abroad, never mentioned anything about the NYSC programme? At least every Nigerian-owned newspaper or TV news channel based in Nigeria whose signals can also be received on satellite TV platforms abroad, carries some kind of news about the NYSC programme or its' corpers, and their passing out parade, on a regular basis. During the 2015 elections, all the news channels were awash with reports of youth corpers serving as electoral officers or agents at polling booths. Did those Nigerians born & bred abroad, miss out on such info, too? Didn't they ask what the scheme was all about? You finally claimed that: ".....I understand why she may not have partaken in programme immediately after she graduated...." Hehehehe...I found this bit rather amusing. Pray do tell, what was the pressing issue that kept her so occupied abroad more than 8-10 years after graduation, that made her unable to do NYSC? Was it ignorance? Or lack of relatives in Nigeria? Or lack of familiarity with her home country? That same issue did not prevent her from joining politics, or from coming home to serve as Ogun State Commissioner of Finance, or to serve as Minister of Finance. Adeosun wants to eat her cake and have it. Unfortunately for her, Nigerians everywhere are watching in 3D. |
Re: Kemi Adeosun NYSC Certificate Scandal: Bigger Picture Of NYSC & Nigerians Abroad by eterisan(m): 7:01am On Jul 13, 2018 |
selemempe:they are priests and already liers..... What a country! |
Re: Kemi Adeosun NYSC Certificate Scandal: Bigger Picture Of NYSC & Nigerians Abroad by RuggedSniper: 9:08am On Jan 15, 2019 |
AmbodOfLASU:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Kemi Adeosun did NOT DELIBERATELY forge any certificate! First off... Her parents migrated to the UK in the 1960s and all their 4 children were born there and grew up as British citizens NOT as Nigerians! She only visited Nigeria for the FIRST TIME at the age of 19 and graduated in the UK at the age of 23! She got married at 25 year in England, her country of citizenship and so it is RIDICULOUS for anyone to say she dodged the so-called NYSC! She immediately got a job in the British employment system in the 1980s and rose to be a Senior Manager with PwC, UK. Her father and mother [originally from Ogun Waterside] lived as a Permanent Residents of the UK since the early 1960s and her father died there. Kemi's over 80-year-old mother is STILL ALIVE and visited Nigeria when her daughter was made a Minister of Finance. Tunde Kuboye of Jazz 38 is one of her relatives and he was married to the late Fran Kuboye who is related to Fela Kuti from the Ransome Kuti family. Kemi Adeosun's family house is still in the UK and they NEVER returned to live in Nigeria! Kemi Adeosun had all her education in her country [UK] and had NO reason to do any NYSC since she is British and her family have NEVER lived permanently in Nigeria since the early 1960s! She even said in a Punch interview of January 2017 that she never planned to live in Nigeria... it was her marriage to a Nigerian man at the age of 25 in the UK that made the British citizen to relocate to Nigeria in her 30s and leave her Senior Managerial position with PwC[PricewaterhouseCoopers, UK] to come and live with her husband at over 30 years of age! PricewaterhouseCoopers [PwC], UK even kept her job open and told her that if she changes her mind, she could still come back from Nigeria to take up her job... and that is how much confidence the organisation had in her. NYSC IS ONLY MEANT FOR Nigerian citizens and Nigerians who were born abroad but came back to Nigeria and lived in Nigeria - NOT for people like Kemi Adeosun who LIVED ALL THEIR lives in the UK and America at over 30 years of age and are FULL CITIZENS of those countries. It was marriage that made her to come to live with her husband in Nigeria because of his business after 10 years of marriage and still living in the UK. Kemi granted interviews to a Nigerian newspaper [Sunday Punch] twice between 2013 and 2017 where she stated all these facts. She was working as a Senior Manager with PricewaterhouseCoopers [PwC] in Britain her country of birth as a very brilliant accountant when she relocated to Nigeria to protect her marriage and be with her husband and she was over 30 years old when she arrived in Nigeria. She even worked as an expat with a financial institution in Nigeria [an offshoot of FCMB Group] without ANY so-called NYSC certificate. It was around 2010 that she just applied for the Exemption at over 30 years of age - towards the time Ibikunle Amosun persuaded her to become a Commissioner of Finance in Ogun State, where she became the first person to introduce the Treasury Single Account by any government in Nigeria... and when she became a Federal Minister, she fully introduce the TSA as well. Lastly, the NYSC accepted that she officially applied for the EXEMPTION certificate at over 30 years of age, so HOW did she get a certificate that was NOT allegedly fully genuine... I think there is a cartel within NYSC and other Federal Agencies that print forged documents and make money off Nigerians and foreigners who genuinely apply fo Drivers' Licences, International Passports, NYSC Exemptions, etc. My annoyance with Kemi is that she should have organised a full Press Conference to let Nigerians know her full British history, work experience in the UK as a citizen working with PWC UK, and her eventual relocation to Nigeria after 10 years of marriage to be with her Nigerian husband. The Nigerian print media and so-called Social media are also guilty of crass sensationalism and never bothered to go to her office to interview her and do investigative journalism and only relied on the opinions of the online website that first published her so-called fake certificate [the online publication in the article admited that Kemi Adeosun was born in England and had ALL HER EDUCATION in England]. I realised from this episode that a lot people in Nigeria display gullibility and are filled with hate over other people's success and affairs... and do NOT bother to carry out proper investigations before savaging... and insulting people online and offline. Some of the hatred and wickedness too probably has to do with such mundane issues like her STRONG British accent which some people may be envious about! I hope this helps people to gain new perspectives on this issue. Happy New Year! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
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