davidnazee:


Yes you are RIGHT!! before the British came there was no Bendel, no Edo state, no Delta state.. But there was BENIN KINGDOM and your Anioma was part of Benin Kingdom domain and will always remain in that territory no matter the name change..

OlaoChi:


Benin empire not kingdom. Anioma was part of benin empire.. But the historic Benin kingdom doesn't even extend to cover all bini speaking areas. For example Utantan was not part of Benin kingdom since it has its own king - the Ogiemien

However Benin empire expanded past bini speaking areas but after the British destroyed the empire all its vassals gained independence since the land never belonged to Benin in the first place and now political authority does not have anything to do with Oba of benin
So Anioma is independent from Benin, even Esan is independent from Benin

Before you argue this (which I know your small mindedness would like to argue) think about Nigeria and Britain
Nigeria was under the British empire but gained independence.. Hence Nigeria doesn't answer to the British, nor does the land belong to the British

OlaoChi:


Benin empire not kingdom. Anioma was part of benin empire.. But the historic Benin kingdom doesn't even extend to cover all bini speaking areas. For example Utantan was not part of Benin kingdom since it has its own king - the Ogiemien

However Benin empire expanded past bini speaking areas but after the British destroyed the empire all its vassals gained independence since the land never belonged to Benin in the first place and now political authority does not have anything to do with Oba of benin
So Anioma is independent from Benin, even Esan is independent from Benin

Before you argue this (which I know your small mindedness would like to argue) think about Nigeria and Britain
Nigeria was under the British empire but gained independence.. Hence Nigeria doesn't answer to the British, nor does the land belong to the British

banku:

You guys need to stop deluding yourselves and stop putting the cart before the horse.

Stop comparing Bini to world powers with well documented and obvious evidence. Usurpers are yet to produce even local evidence as local champions. They have been asked over and over again.

A 2003 or so book to revise well documented history by a Yoruba Oba that felt slighted in a meeting with his brothers is not evidence.

Oba Iwo will soon be used too to buttress rogue history of Yoruba. Even Oba of Lagos had to retreat when it was pointed out that his pathernal side was Alagba from Ilesha.

More important, as pointed out, Bini are our brothers and sisters any day. Edo is a different matter because they are a mixture of the original inhabitants of the rain forest ie the Efa and Oru.

Edo begged Bini from Ife to deliver them from their Ogiso rulers, ironically from Ife too.

Nobody, not even the Oba of Bini could or can throw the most prominent and world respected authority on Bini under the bus or blackmail him.

The one and only Jacob U. Egharevba.

davidnazee:


Commonwealth nations are independent of England but they still recognize the Queen as their monarch and overlord..
My point is that all those places u mentioned; Anioma, Esan are still traditionally part of Edo nation. If Nigeria breaks they will all peacefully and willingly band together to make one nation. Maybe we will have to conquer the Biafrans if they lay claim to Anioma but Anioma will stay part of Benin Empire.

OlaoChi:


That is like saying USA is still traditionally part of Britain
Or Edo is still part of Britain

You should think sometimes

banku:

You guys need to stop deluding yourselves and stop putting the cart before the horse.

Stop comparing Bini to world powers with well documented and obvious evidence. Usurpers are yet to produce even local evidence as local champions. They have been asked over and over again.

A 2003 or so book to revise well documented history by a Yoruba Oba that felt slighted in a meeting with his brothers is not evidence.

Oba Iwo will soon be used too to buttress rogue history of Yoruba. Even Oba of Lagos had to retreat when it was pointed out that his pathernal side was Alagba from Ilesha.

More important, as pointed out, Bini are our brothers and sisters any day. Edo is a different matter because they are a mixture of the original inhabitants of the rain forest ie the Efa and Oru.

Edo begged Bini from Ife to deliver them from their Ogiso rulers, ironically from Ife too.

Nobody, not even the Oba of Bini could or can throw the most prominent and world respected authority on Bini under the bus or blackmail him.

The one and only Jacob U. Egharevba.

OlaoChi:


The ogiso were not from Ifẹ̀... At least no still existing traditional links then or the Ogiamien to Ìfẹ̀

davidnazee:


Guy you be mugu sha. Is USA a commonwealth nation?

BabaRamota1980:


The 1st dynasty of Ogiso Chiefdom came from Ife and installed on Edo.

BabaRamota1980:


That Oba tried to disrepute Dr. Egharevba by mocking that his Doctorate from University of Ibadan was a mere honorary to reward his pro-Yoruba historical account.

Can you imagine...a whole Oba saying that about his own subject and historian of his courts.

We should not talk of him negatively because he is still a Yoruba lineage. We will always have prodigal sons.

prolog2:
You guys act like real psychopaths, how many times must the Oba tell you he is not yoruba and didn't come from your smelly Ife? You guys have real issues.

OlaoChi:


Evidence?

banku:


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.modernghana.com/amp/news/798752/the-ogiso-of-bini-ijaw-came-from-ile-ife.html

OlaoChi:


Your link talks about Ogiso body parts buried in Ifè..
That's false. There were no Ogiso buried in Ifè

I read through and honestly the entire article is not written out of research.. But opinions

banku:
https://allafrica.com/stories/200405100888.html

Nigeria: Heads of Former Benin Monarchs Were Actually Buried in Ile- Ife, Says Prince Isede

PRINCE Michael Isede, a grand son of the last Ogiso of Benin Kingdom and deputy national chairman, Community Development Committee of Oil Producing Communities in Delta State, says heads of former Benin monarchs were buried in Ife.

"The Ooni is very right in saying that Oduduwa came from heaven. Nobody can doubt it because we have it here in Benin too. The Bini people believe that God usually comes down to decide issues. What actually happened is this- the last Ogiso who was my great grand father was an autocratic ruler, he could tell Benin people that nobody should meet any woman for three months or eat for three days and nobody will dare contrevene his order. So the people were not happy with his dictatorship, they held a meeting and called the seven Uzamas to remove him. Evian was the brother to Ogodomigodo, both Oliha' sons.

banku:
https://allafrica.com/stories/200405100888.html

Nigeria: Heads of Former Benin Monarchs Were Actually Buried in Ile- Ife, Says Prince Isede

PRINCE Michael Isede, a grand son of the last Ogiso of Benin Kingdom and deputy national chairman, Community Development Committee of Oil Producing Communities in Delta State, says heads of former Benin monarchs were buried in Ife.

"The Ooni is very right in saying that Oduduwa came from heaven. Nobody can doubt it because we have it here in Benin too. The Bini people believe that God usually comes down to decide issues. What actually happened is this- the last Ogiso who was my great grand father was an autocratic ruler, he could tell Benin people that nobody should meet any woman for three months or eat for three days and nobody will dare contrevene his order. So the people were not happy with his dictatorship, they held a meeting and called the seven Uzamas to remove him. Evian was the brother to Ogodomigodo, both Oliha' sons.

OlaoChi:


You obviously don't know the difference between Ogiso and Oba

Ọba came from Ifẹ̀. Ogiso has nothing to do with ife..at least nothing that there is evidence for

banku:
My friend, there is nothing wrong with saying you are not aware.

Dismissing well researched work of Professor Thurston Shaw on radiocarbon dating, Prof. Peter Ekeh and others that put burial of Ogiso and Oba body parts even well before the historical account Of Jacob E. by fiat is frivolous and superficial.

If you can do better show us your work or authorities. This has gone beyond beer parlor discussion. This is why I ignore those that could not articulate their points but use slur and Obscene languages to cover their ignorance.

OlaoChi:


Again you don't know the difference between Ogiso and ọba.


I'm sure the author of that article doesn't even know where the Ogisos were buried

Stop claiming other people.. It's disgusting and tells a bad tale about yorubas.. The Obas are yoruba but leave the Ogiso

davidnazee:


If Yorubas don’t claim Benin kingdom or our great Monarchy what else can they tout as evidence of Yoruba greatness?
Edo as the greatest kingdom to come out of West Africa, we have the mightiest and most revered king, Yoruba no get nothing so they lay claim to ours.

OlaoChi:


You can see i am rebuking the guy for that. Not all yorubas are insecure about their history and ancestry

But you are no better. This post of yours was unnecessary and quite idiotic.
First of all, Yoruba had many kingdoms.. Edo had one
Yoruba had an empire in Oyo that grew larger and more effective than benin
Mali, Songhai, Ghana (Wagadu), Sokoto, Kanem - bornu and even Oyo were greater west African states

You should expose yourself more to African history

OlaoChi:


Again you don't know the difference between Ogiso and ọba.


I'm sure the author of that article doesn't even know where the Ogisos were buried

Stop claiming other people.. It's disgusting and tells a bad tale about yorubas.. The Obas are yoruba but leave the Ogiso

banku:
Stop saying what you are totally unaware of. It is share arrogance to claim what you do not know.

If you are sure of your claim, back it up with authority. You do not have to agree with me. After all reasonable people can agree to disagree. But to claim you are rebuking who, especially when you have displace zero scholarship on the matter of Ogiso and Oba.

Let me go further and tell you that Nupe, Ijaw, Igala share the same Oduduwa with Yoruba. They may call the same Oduduwa Adumu, Adimu. If you know the history of Ogiso and how they got to Benin and rule over the people before Oba overthrew them, you will not be so unaware. Find out about the foremost Nigeria Youth leader of those days, an Ijaw man Ernest Sissei Ikoli who Awolowo supported for leadership.

You need to educate yourself, my friend.

So please pocket your arrogance about rebuke unless you can come up with some authorities. As I said before, when we are out of beer parlor, we go beyond superfluous argument.

Do more research and come up with authorities greater than Ade Ajayi, Peter Ekeh, Ade Obayemi and a host of others. Until then, there is no need to respond to you again.



Indeed, it is a shame that we have got to the point where we see one another as "claiming other people". This is where we are today. Some years ago, nobody would believe that Bini, Tapa and Yoruba would see one another as other people but that is reality today.

banku:
My friend, there is nothing wrong with saying you are not aware.

Dismissing well researched work of Professor Thurston Shaw on radiocarbon dating, Prof. Peter Ekeh and others that put burial of Ogiso and Oba body parts even well before the historical account Of Jacob E. by fiat is frivolous and superficial.

If you can do better show us your work or authorities. This has gone beyond beer parlor discussion. This is why I ignore those that could not articulate their points but use slur and Obscene languages to cover their ignorance.

Primusinterpares:
I used to think that the oba does not leave his palace...

Pls someone should educate me more...

#respect to the throne

tishbite41:
tell me something I don't know?! obaseki anioma?! please explain beta I'm curious to know more . or u re typing trash to buttress a non valid point?

tishbite41:
y oba throne tall pass olu throne for olu domain again?!