Deadlytruth:


We won't stop dwelling in the past until your brothers stop falsely pointing accusing fingers about the past.
If the East was not initially in support of one bloody Nigeria, then why did they advise Ironsi to promulgate the Anti-Secession Decree? Recall that Ironsi's advisers were all Igbos.
As at the time Zik made the pro-one Nigeria declaration and deprecated the inclusion of secession clause in the constitution, all the British wanted as a basis for overulling any such motion was just one dissenting region which they found in the East represented by Azikiwe the East's overall leader.
In an interview he would later grant in 1975 to the press, Azikiwe confessed that he asked for and got the help of the British might to threaten the proponents of secession clause with treasonable felony if they didn't give up on it, and it worked. If you want that interview here I will gladly give you the link.
I doubt your Edoness because no Edo man blames himself or his forebears for the current ills in the land which are nothing but the long term consequences of Igbos' myopia of the past. So your claim of Edo without being asked for your tribe betrays impersonation agenda.
Your attempt to generalize the mistakes that led us to this mess is at best dishonest because in the very beginning all other tribes,except Igbos, acknowledged and admitted the unfortunate reality that Nigeria was an unsustainable fraud. To that end they moved motions, wrote books and made cases for de-amalganation or at least a structure with a very weak centre. Only Igbos reasoned otherwise despite all evidences were pointing to the contrary. So how other tribes made mistakes remains a product of your wishful imagination. For goodness sake what is the mistake in seeing naked reality and choosing to accept it? You mean Enahoro your supposed Edo brother made a mistake for being the first to propose the secession clause? Stop being clever by half.
You are not Edo and you really have no point. You are only sweating in the arse to mitigate the shame which the revelation of Azikiwe's lust for power and domination brings on you and your brothers.
What you seem to perceive as the mistakes of other tribes are the later actions they took in pursuit of self preservation when the deadly consequences of Igbos' initial shortsighted greed came calling. Self preservation is never a mistake irrespective of how much it hurts one's neighbours especially if those neighbours are responsible for the dangers which necessitated the preservation in the first instance.

Apart from the fact that all these your talks about Awolowo, Danjuma, Tinubu, Adaka Boro, etc are totally irrelevant, it betrays your actual Igboness because only Igbos are known to be fond of quickly trying to change the topic to what later happened to Isaac Boro, Awolowo, etc when confronted with how their own leaders laid the foundation for the resentment these figures developed for Igbo hence fought against them.
Ask an Igbo man why Ojukwu crushed Isaac Boro's secession attempt, and rather than answering the question what you'll hear him say is "How did Boro later end it in the hands of the HausaFulanis he fought for? He would never answer the original question you asked him. This is the usual Igbo trickish way of evading questions that touch on the hypocrisy of their past leaders, and that exactly is what you have just displayed here.
You should have known that you are not debating with a kid.
How does pre-independence and first Republic politics concern Tinubu?
How does the Federal Government's indebtedness to retired soldiers constitute Biafra nemesis to those soldiers? Did some retired federal civil servants currently being owned over 42 months pay also fight against Biafra? Now that Buhari had paid those soldiers, what do you think they'll say now? Indebtedness to retirees cut across all sectors so stop gloating over it as a Biafra nemesis. You can't be Edo because you cry too much more than the bereaved Igbos.

are you done with ur village square mono dance?

am yet to see any country that made progress by "our diversity is our strength "mantra, let's no one deceive you a country like Nigeria cannot make progress even in hundred years

Suen kindly replace this thread "Nairaland Says No To Secessionists" on the front page of polital section with this new one "Disintegration, A Neglected Solution To Nation’s Challenges ― Senator Adeyeye", as applicable.

Funny and slightly entertaining thread. A lot of wishful thinking and vague generalizations but precious little in terms of concrete plans. Those who actually asked the important questions (about how disintegration - if it is what we want - can be negotiated with the least pain to all) were derided and shouted down. People need to remember that the devil is in the details!

There was a constitutional conference a while ago. What came out of it? Were its recommendations implemented? Was that conference a waste of time because it was not carried out by lawmakers and had no legal force behind it?There was a lot of talk about a sovereign national conference a while ago. What came out of all that talk? The promoters of that idea are still with us today. Why have they suddenly gone quiet on their pet project?

Those who believe in a functional properly structured federation need to tell us how to migrate from the dystopian hell we are in now to where they want us to be. Those who believe in disintegration need to tell us how to achieve this with the least pain to all parties. Those who believe in a confederation of states need to make a clear and detailed case for how they want to achieve their objectives. Those who favour a return to the regional governments of 60 years ago need to state clearly how we will get there.

Give way to the man (or woman) with a plan.

Sap0:


lol.... I live in osogbo, my school is near Ondo and I know Ibadan like the back of my palm, do you know how many Igbos are in those place, in osogbo and Ibadan, their population is something else,not to talk of ondo city and Akure itself.
some of you just speak nonsense for the sake of nonsense.

there is a reason for the fight among igbos In Ibadan for the Ezendigbo title

Do you know the population of Yoruba folks in onitsha? aba or even enugu? (well not too much in enugu sha, but onitsha own is something else)

Migration is not an "Igbo thing" or just an "aboki" thing as many think

Yoruba folks migrate too

even in ph and uyo

Greenback:

are you done with ur village square mono dance?

No, I won't be done until you and your brothers stop trying to share the blame with other tribes for the mess into which your forebears' indiscretion and self delusion with a fraudulent One-Nigeria plunged us.

LZAA:

Gowon and ojukwu were mates and there were far senior officers ahead of gowon
Ojukwu asked for military seniority to be observed and for ogundipe to assume leadership
Believe me if igbos were power hungry,the civil war would have started earlier than it did

Ojukwu's insistence on seniority was irrelevant because at that moment in question the army culture of seniority had been bastardised and rendered redundant by Ironsi's and Ojukwu's refusal to court-martial the five Majors who had murdered their superior/senior officers in cold blood in the North and West. What moral grounds did Ojukwu have to preach adherence to the culture of seniority afterwards?

Deadlytruth:


Ojukwu's insistence on seniority was irrelevant because at that moment in question the army culture of seniority had been bastardised and rendered redundant by Ironsi's and Ojukwu's refusal to court-martial the five Majors who had murdered their superior/senior officers in cold blood in the North and West. What moral grounds did Ojukwu have to preach adherence to the culture of seniority afterwards?

Yet gowon was the NORTH most senior officer and was made head of state as a result
So in other words in "one nigeria" there is a set of rules for one group and another set for others
Ok o
Cc immhotep pointzerom

LZAA:

Yet gowon was the NORTH most senior officer and was made head of state as a result
So in other words in "one nigeria" there is a set of rules for one group and another set for others
Ok o
Cc immhotep pointzerom

Hatred will continue to blind Deadlytruth until herdsmen install some sense into his head.

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Deadlytruth:


No, I won't be done until you and your brothers stop trying to share the blame with other tribes for the mess into which your forebears' indiscretion and self delusion with a fraudulent One-Nigeria plunged us.

grab popcorn

immhotep:

Hatred will continue to blind Deadlytruth until herdsmen install some sense into his head.

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it beats me why some so called adult fail to realise that there aint no smoke without faya.
He keeps ranting about Igbo this,Ojukwu that,Ironsi this buh not a single word about tribalist and ethnocentric bigots,people sardauna Ahmadu Bellow whose tribal and ethnic activities,words actually gave risings for agitations in the zoo.
They sleep,dream,wake,its ipob on their dark minds. What a ppl! The west should be abolished. It shud be regarded as north south west instead cos these ppl are a taboo to the south.

Greenback:


it beats me why some so called adult fail to realise that there aint no smoke without faya.
He keeps ranting about Igbo this,Ojukwu that,Ironsi this buh not a single word about tribalist and ethnocentric bigots,people sardauna Ahmadu Bellow whose tribal and ethnic activities,words actually gave risings for agitations in the zoo.
They sleep,dream,wake,its ipob on their dark minds. What a ppl! The west should be abolished. It shud be regarded as north south west instead cos these ppl are a taboo to the south.

You are such a shameless hypocrite and crass opportunists.
If the West is a taboo to the South, then what do we call you Easterners who sold the entire South to slavery under the same Ahmadu Bello through your stupid decision to enter into an alliance with him at independence despite the clear victory of the South in that election?
Though I am not even from the West, I strongly opine that the West is better than you shortsighted Easterners.

If not you Easterners, who on earth would prefer a political alliance with the same Bello you accuse of being the chief purveyor of tribal hatred? How is it the West's fault that you Easterners chose to hand power on a platter of gold to the same North which had slaughtered thousands of Southerners in Jos and Kano in 1945 and 1954 respectively? What were you expecting by giving raw state power to a tribe which was already killing you even when state power had not been given to them? Didn't you Easterners collude with that same Ahmadu Bello to persecute the West and indeed every other part of the South when the going was good between you?
Was it not after Ahmadu Bello openly derided and mocked you Easterners in the currently trending online video that you still decided to go into political marriage with them? So whose fault?

How many times have you ever seen the mention of Ipob in any of my posts on NL? Ipob is only trying to solve, though through a very wrong approach, the gargantuan problem created by the shortsighted greed of Zik and Ironsi.
Do you honestly think that Ipob existence would have been necessary today had Zik allowed Ahmadu Bello go away with his Arewa Republic when he so demanded in the 1954 conference? Which part of the South decided that the South should by all means tarry till the North to became ready for independence? You think it was the West? Hahaha...
Why were your political forefathers so hell bent on being with the aristocratic and feudalistic North if I may ask? And what has now suddenly changed that you are just realizing that Ahmadu Bello was bad and evil? Na now day just dey break for your side? Good morning o!
It is rather you Easterners that should be classified together with the North as EastNorth because you have dined and wined with the Caliphate more than any other Region. From Balewa-Zik alliance to Shagari-Ekweme alliance to Abacha-Daniel Kanu and Abacha-Nzeribe ABN, etc.

Hypocrites!

OHOnairaland:
Suen kindly replace this thread "Nairaland Says No To Secessionists" on the front page of polital section with this new one "Disintegration, A Neglected Solution To Nation’s Challenges ― Senator Adeyeye", as applicable.

call seun properly.

LZAA:

Yet gowon was the NORTH most senior officer and was made head of state as a result
So in other words in "one nigeria" there is a set of rules for one group and another set for others
Ok o
Cc immhotep pointzerom

Was the North synonymous to Nigeria?
Wasn't it also the North's most senior officers that were killed by Ifeajuna and co? Was Ironsi the Eastern origin overall most senior officer killed by them?

Deadlytruth:


You are a fool. You have nothing logical to contribute to the discussion hence your resort to innuendos of frustration.

If your Ironsi had not dismantled federalism in his quest for a stupid one Nigeria do you think the regional police architecture previously in place wouldn't have forestalled this Fulani herdsmen menace?
Coconut head!

Lzaa come and hear oh.
APCheat members like Deadlytruth are now blaming General Aguiyi Ironsi for the herdsmen killings of 2018.
Sai baba .

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Tushkito:


The truth hurts, whether u like it or not, u yari*bas are double faced and a bunch of hypocrites.

And since u guys are always with lots of "company" and igbos are "alone" why not let us be, so we can separate from this shithole and live ALONE, yeah?

Tell Azikwe brothers from the North to set you free, Yorubas are not holding you back. Call us any name that you like, we never started anything with you because we're not brothers.

Patrioticooduan:
Sharpwriter how far? One has just spoken out

Who's that? Who spoke out?