alBHAGDADI:
Where is that stated in the Bible?

How many of them were worshipped?

alBHAGDADI:
Pls, which mistake did Jesus make?

Is this the garbage watchtower teaches you people?

Jozzy4:


And here is Albhagdad a trinitarian who believes Jesus is God Almighty . following acholardey

Achorladey, do you believe in Trinity like Albhagdad ?

Jozzy4:


Any difference to what Jehovah's witnesses believe ?

TATIME:

(1) Jesus knew quite well that He must die in the hands of sinners yet He begged God(His father) to change that form of death.why? Because He will be accused,arrested,charged,convicted,sentenced and executed all to appear as if LAWFULLY,which will make it difficult for coming generation of Jews to agree that such an ACCUSED criminal was the Messiah! The question is "was Jesus trying to say He knows better than Jehovah?" Well immediately He corrected Himself by concluding "let your will not mine be done".

(2)During His arrest those thugs came with weapons to arrest a GOD! So Jesus angrily spoke with the voice of a powerful spirit that He is and they all fell down DEAD,again He quickly realized His mistake and raised all of them up only to arrest Him. John 18:6-8

(3)While he was facing excruciating pain on the torture stake Jesus said aloud "my God my God why have you forsaken me?" Now has Jehovah ever forsaken any of HIS loyal ones? So how come the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON of God could utter such a statement if not a mistake on His part?. These you can never find in any of the publications of the Watchtower because it is to be discovered through a PERSONAL STUDY! Unlike what these slanderers are saying, we can discover a lot on our own but never will i raise my tongue against the watchtower or the GB because all that i knew before my personal study came from them. So please next time you see Bible students trained by the GB of watchtower are debating on the scriptures know that we're much more enlightened than any student from any of your Bible schools, a "dog" like you're supposed to remain silent to LEARN!

Barristter07:


Ezekiel 32:21

Go and read up , then come back and tell me if you agree those men are Gods ?


Power of fear, you quickly included this knowing fully well that your antics has been subdued . Humans are worshiped in the Bible such as King David, Daniel and Jesus disciples , does that make them God ?

Barristter07:


If a person does not belong to the bolded unique Group, how will those who take the lead Keep watch over his soul ?

No wonder Trinity is eating you inside out, when you are not where you ought to be and learn what is true

Barristter07:


another quack post Okay which Church do you associate with. ?

You don except people who worship Jesus to be counted with TRUE worshippers who worships the. Father John 4:23 . Jesus true disciples are one , with love among themselves ( John 13:34,35) this identify them as a Unique GROUP .





quack post, the mark identifying true Christians disciple of Jesus is their unique Love , Either Nigeria , Ghana or United states . Jehovah's witnesses are one !!!

alBHAGDADI:


I'm glad you are now coming out with some of the horrible anti-christ teachings of JW. Now to your points.


1.) Jesus begged for the cup of suffering he was about to face to be taking from him because he saw how horrible it will be to go through such pain. He begged to show you that if it was up to him alone, that's what he would have done i.e take the cup away. But it wasn't up to him alone, that's why he said God's will be done. No human can see such horrible punishment and still want to face it even when they see that it is God's will. The fact that he went ahead to face it shows you he was willing to do God's will. Now, how is that a mistake to you? It would have been a mistake if he ran away from the punishment and death. But no, he didn't even when Pilate tried to save him.

Isaiah 53:12
Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

The above verse shows you that Jesus didn't ask for the cup to be taking away from him because he thought the future Jews won't accept him as the messiah because he was to be killed like a criminal. The Jews are the foolish ones who failed to read the book of Isaiah above which says he will be numbered among the transgressors (Criminals). Had it been they did, they would have discovered that the act of being numbered among the transgressors was enough for him to be the Messiah. This same Jews rejected all the wonderful works he did. So why do you now think he wanted the cup to be taking away from him because some reprobates will doubt him for the manner of death he was to die?

2.) Your second point is a pure lie just as the first. @Bold You said Jesus angrily spoke with the voice of a powerful spirit. Please where is that written in the Bible? This is how you JW read your own meaning into the Bible and speak where it never spoke. You even claim they fell down DEAD and he rose them up. Please where is that also written in the Bible?

See the passage you quoted below. Kindly show us where all the garbage you wrote are written.


John 18:4-8

4 Jesus therefore, knowing all things that should come upon him, went forth, and said unto them, Whom seek ye?

5 They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them.

6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.

7 Then asked he them again, Whom seek ye? And they said, Jesus of Nazareth.

8 Jesus answered, I have told you that I am he: if therefore ye seek me, let these go their way:

3.) Isaiah 53:12
Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

The bold part in the above verse shows you why God forsook him. He bore the sins of many which made him horrible to behold by God.

Habakkuk 1:13
Your eyes are too pure to look on evil; you cannot tolerate wrongdoing...


Can you now see that you and your JW people are the ones who need to remain silent because you are truly the dogs who have trampled on the word of God.

Jozzy4:


What exactly is in John 14:6 that Jehovah's witnesses don't believe ?

Is it that they do not believe Jesus is the way to God ?

Is it that they do not listen to. The voice of Jesus as truth and leader of the Congregation ?

Is it that they do not Believe Jesus is the one who God will use to give life to many dead ones ?


Now the congregation aspect got me laughing . , as far as am concerned you havent answered ,

In the first century. , they recognized the apostles including missionaries like Apostle Paul , Timothy and others . the various congregation knows this men , they are not some random people scattered about .

In the first century. This united group is identified as belonging to The way , and.once anyone says " the way " people knew the group of people they are referring to

Why not identify this congregation you are talking about ?

Jozzy4:


And here is Albhagdad a trinitarian who believes Jesus is God Almighty . following acholardey

Achorladey, do you believe in Trinity like Albhagdad ?

search4truth:
This is a comment from a youtube user concerning the lies of GB Geoffrey Jackson at the Australian Royal Commission(ARC). They said things different in their publications but he's saying the opposite at the royal commision.
I recommend those that haven't watched it to do so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBE_oof1RzE


The comment by youtube user Luna Bennet

"He is lying by omission! Which is a "sin" for jehovah's witnesses, which he is a governing member of! You know that the governing body is fully convinced they are ordained by god? They fully believe that they are chosen by god to go to heaven and rule the world with jesus. (And that most people are gonna die in armageddon and the ones that survive god's judgment (mostly JWS) have to stay here on the earth, and that we are going to live in a utopia of theocracy and "death will be no more." and people will live forever as god's servants and every aspect of your life is ruled by god, to me it just sounds like authoritarian rule...) For him to lie like this and for me to see it out there in the open is completely mind blowing to me. IF you lie to the elders in the congregation you get kicked out permanently. But when he does it, a supposedly chosen one of god, it's totally okay? Everyone treats them like gods. This man right here has celebrity status in the organization. I have seen his face a million times and I don't even believe in any of this bull shit. I am a trapped JW and he should just answer the question!!! Yes, people get DISFELLOWSHIPPED. But since the question is whether they get disassociated he is twisting the truth by saying it's the person's choice to disassociate themselves! because in the organization disassociating yourself is different than being disfellowshiped by the elders. But but both get treated the same e.g. people in the congregation are by no means allowed to talk to them or have any kind of relationship with them in anyway. And if you do you get in trouble with the elders or you get looked down upon and you yourself are shunned. And every time he says he doesn't know and it's not his feild or he doesn't know exact policy, he is lying through his teeth. e know s exactly what the policies are. He is part of the GOVERNING BODY! you can get NO higher than that status in this wretched organization. sorry for the rant but this is scary for me be cause my whole life I was brainwashed by these people to think the governing body was chosen by god and therefore better than us all. He's not, he's just a disgusting liar."

I pity most of you JWs that still beleive you are the only ones that have the truth without even trying to test your faith. The painful thing is most of the African JWs are so ignorant of the things going on in the organization. We are being ruled and controlled by 8 American men in New York that wants unquestionable obedience.
No organization is needed for salavation. Jesus is the way, the truth and the life.

TATIME:
Accusers are never satisfied with the word "guilty" i've told you that the GB of JWs are GUILTY of any crime you are accusing them of,Since Jesus pleaded guilty to all the criminal charges ever committed under the sun,who are the GB of JWs to plead not guilty? The bone of contention here is "who are those that should be leading God's people today as REPRESENTATIVES of Jesus like the Apostles in the first century?" So that all of us can focus on what Jesus is dispensing as SPIRITUAL FOOD for His congregation. Or are you saying Jesus has no congregation again?

achorladey:


Jozzy: And here is Albhagdad a trinitarian who believes Jesus is God Almighty. following acholardey.

Achorladey: And here is TATIME Jws who believes Jesus made mistakes following Jozzy4.



achorladey , do you believe in Trinity like Albhagdad ?

search4truth:

Can you show me where they've accepted their mistakes or proven guilty to any allegations against them?
Letters were sent to Bethel branches by concerned individuals concerning Watchtowers involvement with the UN. But what happened? No response!

TATIME:
You love arguments my friend! But true Christians learn when they see something they never noticed before.

(1) Jesus knew all that was to happen to the Messiah as everything has been predestined and prophesied before His coming to the earth,to that you agreed but please why will He now pray for the pain to be taken away? You said "NO HUMAN WILL BE WILLING TO FACE SUCH HORRIBLE DEATH" Well my friend that is a lie because Hananiah,Mishael and Azariah(Shadrach Meshach and Abednego) were READY to face the excruciating pains of Nebuchadnezzar's burning furnace! They were humans my friend. So it was indeed a mistake on Jesus' part but He quickly correct Himself.

(2) The John's account recorded it that those thugs "fell to the groud" at the voice of Jesus,hmmmmmmmm please was it something that pushed them because that place didn't say they staggered backward but "FELL to the ground"! Please go back and study what that text means because at Revelations 1:17 there John used the same text When Jesus appeared to him, he(John the Apostle) fell down as DEAD!

(3) The question there is " has God ever forsaken any of HIS loyal ones who has remained faithful to HIM always? " if yes then Jesus(God's only begotten son) never uttered anything wrong but if NO is the answer then that was a MISTAKE! Moreover this is not from the Watchtower as i have said earlier it was from my own personal study,so take note of that.

TATIME:
If you can't NOTICE how a perfect man "Jesus in the flesh" made mistakes that He quickly corrected then you can't notice when imperfect men like the GB of JW corrected their mistakes. Jesus never pleaded guilty before any human Court NO! but He pleaded guilty before Jehovah (a PERFECT judge)who accepted His ransom sacrifice and forgave whoever exercises faith in Jesus' ransom sacrifice. So don't expect His imperfect followers to plead guilty before any human Court of imperfect judges!

TATIME:
If you can't NOTICE how a perfect man "Jesus in the flesh" made mistakes that He quickly corrected then you can't notice when imperfect men like the GB of JW corrected their mistakes. Jesus never pleaded guilty before any human Court NO! but He pleaded guilty before Jehovah (a PERFECT judge)who accepted His ransom sacrifice and forgave whoever exercises faith in Jesus' ransom sacrifice. So don't expect His imperfect followers to plead guilty before any human Court of imperfect judges!

Jozzy4:

Identify the congregation you are talking about ?

search4truth:

Please tell me the mistake Jesus made.
Ohh! So the court is now a human court.
But when things go against the watchtower, they can run to the so called human courts for an appeal or to fight for their human and religious rights.
Why didn't they just leave all those favours they got from the courts to Jehovah?

Look at what the scripture says concerning higher authorities which include the government courts.

"13 L[b]et every person be in subjection to the superior authorities, for there is no authority except by God; the existing authorities stand placed in their relative positions by God. 2 Therefore, whoever opposes the authority has taken a stand against the arrangement of God; those who have taken a stand against it will bring judgment against themselves."[/b]

You say its a human court but the scripture says otherwise. Funny thing is your GB is not even obeying this particular scripture by refusing to release child abusers to the authorities as requested.


Same way they say the media is against them and that the members should be careful of the media but when the media says something good about them, you see them citing the good said about them in their publications. They would even refernce it.

alBHAGDADI:


1). Look at the way you likened Shedrach, Meschach and Abednego's trial to the sacrifice of Jesus who died for the redemption of mankind. Did they tell you that they bore the sins of the whole world? I can bet it that had it been those three Hebrew men were told they were going to bear the sins of the world, they would have accepted Nebuchadnezzar's offer of bowing to that statue.

You still haven't pointed out the mistake in him making that statement. It seems you don't know what a mistake is. Being afraid of going to America is not a mistake. Not going to America might end up being a mistake. Jesus being afraid of the suffering he was to face is not a mistake. Had it been he fled from facing the suffering, then it would have been a mistake.

2.) In your warped mind, they fell to the ground because Jesus angrily pushed them spiritually. But the Bible never said that. You are the one infusing lies into the word of God. That's why you have been able to conclude that he made a mistake. I repeat, show me in the verses below where it is stated that Jesus pushed them to the ground.


John 18:4-8

4 Jesus therefore, knowing all things that should come upon him, went forth, and said unto them, Whom seek ye?

5 They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them.

6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.

7 Then asked he them again, Whom seek ye? And they said, Jesus of Nazareth.

8 Jesus answered, I have told you that I am he: if therefore ye seek me, let these go their way:

3.) Jesus took on the sins of the world, that's why God forsook him. If you don't understand that, then it's your piece of cake. JW heresies are now leading you into deeper heresies, exactly where they and satan want you.

search4truth:

Please tell me the mistake Jesus made.
Ohh! So the court is now a human court.
But when things go against the watchtower, they can run to the so called human courts for an appeal or to fight for their human and religious rights.
Why didn't they just leave all those favours they got from the courts to Jehovah?

Look at what the scripture says concerning higher authorities which include the government courts.

"13 L[b]et every person be in subjection to the superior authorities, for there is no authority except by God; the existing authorities stand placed in their relative positions by God. 2 Therefore, whoever opposes the authority has taken a stand against the arrangement of God; those who have taken a stand against it will bring judgment against themselves."[/b]

You say its a human court but the scripture says otherwise. Funny thing is your GB is not even obeying this particular scripture by refusing to release child abusers to the authorities as requested.


Same way they say the media is against them and that the members should be careful of the media but when the media says something good about them, you see them citing the good said about them in their publications. They would even refernce it.

TATIME:
Once again you got it all wrong my friend! Those three Hebrews faced a TEST OF FAITH just as JESUS also faced it so there was NO difference at all! Before they left Jerusalem for Babylon they knew they'll face a lot amongst people who has no regards for pure worship, the same way that Jesus knew before He left heaven that He's coming to face a test of Faith on earth! Your only problem is been a Trinitarian who believed Jesus is the Almighty God who can't make any mistake but you failed to realise that if Jesus can't make mistakes Satan's trial would have been of NO NEED!

TATIME:
If you can't NOTICE how a perfect man "Jesus in the flesh" made mistakes that He quickly corrected then you can't notice when imperfect men like the GB of JW corrected their mistakes. Jesus never pleaded guilty before any human Court NO! but He pleaded guilty before Jehovah (a PERFECT judge)who accepted His ransom sacrifice and forgave whoever exercises faith in Jesus' ransom sacrifice. So don't expect His imperfect followers to plead guilty before any human Court of imperfect judges!

alBHAGDADI:


Did the Hebrew men get flogged and dragged round the town before suffering the humiliating crucifixion on a cross? No, they were simply thrown into a fire without prior punishment.

Haven't I told you that being worried about the death to come by asking for the cup to pass away is not a mistake by Jesus? It would have been a mistake if he had gone against the will of God by fleeing from the task.

Aren't you educated? Don't you know what a mistake is?

as I open my mentions and saw this, the kind of Laughter that sweet my belle ehn,

alBHAGDADI:


What a deceitful human you are. I asked you to show me where anyone in the Bible has been referred to as Mighty God asides Jesus, you are here showing me Ezekiel 32:21. All the bible versions say Mighty Chiefs or Mighty Leaders, even your false New World Translation says Mighty Warriors. I'm now surprised that you are trying to make it sound like Mighty God. I guess you couldn't find any such verse in the Bible that's why you resorted to lying.

Now, you are saying that King David, Daniel and Jesus disciples were worshiped. Can you show me where such is written in the Bible? Please don't lie this time around.

alBHAGDADI:
Which unique group? JW false witnesses?

You haven't understood my point. Is salvation based on belonging to a so-called unique group or simply by believing in Jesus? You guys have boldly stated that all those who don't belong to JW org are doomed. This means that those who believe the Bible verse which says believing in Jesus alone gives eternal life are still doomed because they don't belong to JW. Which Bible passage says you won't have eternal life for not belonging to JW?

alBHAGDADI:
Which unique group? JW false witnesses?

You haven't understood my point. Is salvation based on belonging to a so-called unique group or simply by believing in Jesus? You guys have boldly stated that all those who don't belong to JW org are doomed. This means that those who believe the Bible verse which says believing in Jesus alone gives eternal life are still doomed because they don't belong to JW. Which Bible passage says you won't have eternal life for not belonging to JW?