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Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by achorladey: 7:39pm On Aug 19, 2018 |
Jozzy4: Jozzy4: Go back and digest what I said . Does someone quoting John 14:6 up and down makes them mature Christian? Achorladey: I have checked and am asking and good you restated above as well, therefore my question: what is Christian maturity? Jozzy4: John 17:3 says knowing Jesus lead to everlasting life , Wrong knowledge of Jesus could mar a persons chances of everlasting life. Achorladey: A very good scripture you cite and a valid point made as well. FOOD FOR THOUGHT...........Is John 14:6 a wrong knowledge that can make me(Achorladey) lose everlasting life? Please feel free to answer. Jozzy4: Tell me who is Jesus to you ? Achorladey: John 14:6....Does this particular scripture tell you who Jesus is to me? I have been quoting and citing this scripture but you the matured Christian is struggling to comprehend it. Jozzy4: Air your beliefs and stop cowarding like a child. Achorladey: It seems I have been watering my beliefs not air it all this while. Funny you! |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by achorladey: 8:02pm On Aug 19, 2018 |
Jozzy4: Jozzy4: Stop acting like a coward , anyone can say Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. Tell me your " Knowledge " of who Jesus is ? John 17:3 Achorladey: My knowledge about Jesus in summary is found in the book of John Chapter fourteen verse six. Please read! Jozzy: according to 1 Cor 4:5, am not asking you to judge anything. Achorladey: Sorry for that! Jozzy4: Am asking you to tell me what the scripture outlined as hope for those who accept Christ and those who don't. Achorladey: I share the same as that of apostle Paul according to his words recorded in Acts 24:15..... And I have a hope toward God, which hope these men also look forward to, that there is going to be resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous. John 5:28,29 John 3:36 also states The one who exercises faith in the Son has everlasting life; the one who disobeys the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains upon him. Jozzy4: Air your views Achorladey: I hope you can see and read my view now. |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by achorladey: 8:17pm On Aug 19, 2018 |
Jozzy4: Jozzy4: what a pity Achorladey: What is there to pity about? Jozzy4: Since Jesus is the head of the congregation , have you found that congregation? Achorladey: I have found the head(Jesus Christ) of the Congregation and he has also lead me to every other member of the Congregation. Which I believe you are part of except you (Jozzy4) want to class or Isolate yourself. Jozzy4: If you have, air it and stop chickening , unless you don't believe Jesus has a congregation over which he is head Achorladey: My views are clear for you to see. I am not chickening out. Yes, I do believe Jesus has a Congregation and you can see my response on that already. |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by achorladey: 8:34pm On Aug 19, 2018 |
TATIME: The key words I need from this post is "CLAIMING TO BE DOING JUST THAT". There been FAITHFUL and DISCREET border on that word CLAIM. That will do for now bro! It's nice having this conversation with you. Yes, continually see me as GOOD FOR NOTHING SLAVE. I am only trying to do what I ought to do. Finally, Matthew 23: 11,12 But the greatest among you must be your minister. Whoever exalts himself will be humbled and the one who humbles himself will be exalted. I hope in the course of reading this portion of the bible at the meeting today. Your ears were attentive and you did not have a prejudiced mindsets on the given explanation. Bye! |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by alBHAGDADI: 9:05pm On Aug 19, 2018 |
TATIME:Pls, which mistake did Jesus make? Is this the garbage watchtower teaches you people? |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by achorladey: 9:19pm On Aug 19, 2018 |
TATIME: TATIME: My people has an adage in Yoruba land,they used to say "if the one LIED to is ignorant of it of course the LIAR knows certainly that he's lying" Achorladey: Nice adage indeed, It also fit perfectly with the organization too. What's your take on this? TATIME: but in this case the audience has been taught to detect lies yet the liar keeps arguing furiously! Achorladey: Who is the LIAR? Who/What is the lie detector? TATIME: I wonder what these slanderers are calling those trained by Jehovah. Achorladey: You are the one doing the name calling all these while. Are the names you have exhausted. Feel free to provide one. TATIME: Just imagine,Jesus is the HEAD of the CONGREGATION, Achorladey: This is true, very true TATIME: Jesus Himself warned people of false prophets coming to deceive people using His name. Achorladey: This is correct as well. TATIME: OK you've IDENTIFIED the false prophet Achorladey: Were the discussions based on Identification of false Prophets? Jesus christ gave you and I keys to identify such false prophets. I believe you are a mature christian therefore, you should be able to do that. TATIME: but who are the ones Jesus is using today and the CONGREGATION they're supervising? Achorladey: You expect me to answer bah? Ok, Jesus is using his disciples Matthew 28:19,20. My initial question on this is available on this same thread. Please respond to that question too. FOOD FOR THOUGHT............Matthew 28:20. And look I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things. The Head of the Congregation has power to supervise his Congregation. Don't limit such to men that are prone to mistakes or err in organization direction and dictrinal matters. TATIME. NO ANSWER. In fact wonders shall never end walahi Achorladey. The world you and I live in is filled with wonders. You and I should be grateful for been part of it. Bye! |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by alBHAGDADI: 9:20pm On Aug 19, 2018 |
TATIME:What you are saying is that it is an organization that saves? That means the sacrifice if Jesus Christ is not what saves but an organization which has to be JW? Can you see how deceived you people are? You have thrown away the blood of Jesus Christ and gone to embrace an organization as your saviour. Look here, a man is saved not by the church he attends nor by an organization, but by believing in Jesus Christ. John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. The above verse doesn't say we have to believe in Jesus and also belong to an organization before we can be saved. It says we simply only have to believe in him, that's all. 1 Like |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by alBHAGDADI: 9:35pm On Aug 19, 2018 |
TATIME: Pls, which Bible verse commands Christians to be submissive to some IMPERFECT chosen ones aka GB? You keep requesting for an organization that is better than JW as if it is organization that saves. You have placed JW organization above Jesus who died for our sins. If you leave JW today, nothing will happen. You will be better off as long as you believe in Jesus Christ. |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by achorladey: 9:38pm On Aug 19, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: You can't query him over this that much because of his Muslim background. He is still learning. He will be readjusted as usual. Biko! |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by Jozzy4: 11:17pm On Aug 19, 2018 |
achorladey: Any difference to what Jehovah's witnesses believe ? |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by Jozzy4: 11:33pm On Aug 19, 2018 |
achorladey: What exactly is in John 14:6 that Jehovah's witnesses don't believe ? Is it that they do not believe Jesus is the way to God ? Is it that they do not listen to. The voice of Jesus as truth and leader of the Congregation ? Is it that they do not Believe Jesus is the one who God will use to give life to many dead ones ? Now the congregation aspect got me laughing . , as far as am concerned you havent answered , In the first century. , they recognized the apostles including missionaries like Apostle Paul , Timothy and others . the various congregation knows this men , they are not some random people scattered about . In the first century. This united group is identified as belonging to The way , and.once anyone says " the way " people knew the group of people they are referring to Why not identify this congregation you are talking about ? |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by Jozzy4: 11:39pm On Aug 19, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: And Jehovah's witnesses don't belive in John 3:16 ? No, answer me . |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by Jozzy4: 11:44pm On Aug 19, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: True Christianity as always been organized. That is why you have some who take the lead and others are asked to be obedient to. Them ( Read Hebrew 13:17 ) |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by Jozzy4: 11:46pm On Aug 19, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: And here is Albhagdad a trinitarian who believes Jesus is God Almighty . following acholardey Achorladey, do you believe in Trinity like Albhagdad ? |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by Primesky(m): 11:47pm On Aug 19, 2018 |
search4truth: God bless you bro. May the grace of God keep you from falling, and may God use you to win others to Him. I sincerely pray for Peacefullove,TATIME and OneJ, that God will reveal Himself to them. |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by Jozzy4: 11:48pm On Aug 19, 2018 |
achorladey: Identify the congregation you are talking about ? |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by Jozzy4: 11:51pm On Aug 19, 2018 |
Primesky: You need that prayer most . OneJ and the other guy you mentioned whom am not sure if his witness or not have dealt with you several times, you always chicken away from them . Am glad you called peacefullove to this thread yourself , Guy has used the Bible to open your eyes many times . Lols |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by alBHAGDADI: 5:57am On Aug 20, 2018 |
Jozzy4:Why did you bother quiting me without answering the question I asked? I believe Jesus is God, but not God the Father. Why is he referred to as a Mighty God? The moment your ex-jw stop believing in your GB, the closer they become to believing in the truth of the Trinity which is written in several pages of the Bible. Keeping placing your hope in a governing body that makes false predictions without apologizing for its errors. Soon, God will call His people out of organized religion e.g JW. |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by alBHAGDADI: 6:00am On Aug 20, 2018 |
Jozzy4:The gathering of true Christians is called church with Bishops, pastors, ministers etc. Not an organization with a governing body. Christ is the head of the church. Never is it stated in the Bible that Christ is the head of an organization, one with a governing body. You have substituted Jesus Christ with the governing body. Why should I find this mysterious when you guys say Jesus was angel Michael. |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by alBHAGDADI: 6:03am On Aug 20, 2018 |
Jozzy4: Yes, you don't believe in John 3:16 because you only pay it lip service. How can you say you believe in it then turn around and say someone can't be saved unless he belongs to an organization? Is that what the Bible states below about how I can be saved? John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. The Bible has never said believe in Jesus Christ and belong to an organization for one to be saved. It simply says BELIEVE. |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by search4truth: 7:12am On Aug 20, 2018 |
Primesky:Thank you sir.. Are you also a jw or ever been one? |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by search4truth: 7:43am On Aug 20, 2018 |
Though an organization is never mentioned by Jesus, Jehovah's Witnesses believe that all other Christian religions will be destroyed by God, because they do not follow Watchtower defined truth. Jesus said "He that believes has everlasting life"(John 6:47) and "I know my sheep and my sheep know me"(John 10:14). When a Jehovah's Witness reads passages like these they are trained to understand "whoever believes what the Watchtower says about Jesus may have everlasting life", and "the sheep know me, only by means of the Watchtower Society". This is not unique; it is common that "the cult and its beliefs become the only true path to salvation." (Combating Cult Mind Control, Hassan, p.202). |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by alBHAGDADI: 8:08am On Aug 20, 2018 |
search4truth:Can you imagine. Look at the way they replaced Jesus with watchtower even when the Bible doesn't say such. They are a cult. |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by search4truth: 8:28am On Aug 20, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI:To them, people that are muslims and from other religions don't even stand a chance of being saved even though they lived a really good life that please God. |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by Barristter07: 8:34am On Aug 20, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: since this is the only sensible part of the post i quoted , I will respond You must be whining, are you aware that powerful humans are called El gibor ( Mighty God's ) too ? 1 Like |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by Barristter07: 8:39am On Aug 20, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: They are not organized , but there Bishops,, some others are ministers , and some are pastors Yet they are not an organization 3 Gbosa for this your level of thinking 1 Like |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by Barristter07: 8:45am On Aug 20, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: Hebrews 13:17 , John 4:23 you need to belong to True worshippers and submit to those who take the leabd among them since they will " Keep watch over you " 1 Like |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by alBHAGDADI: 9:11am On Aug 20, 2018 |
Barristter07: None of the verses say one must belong to an organization before he or she can be saved or have eternal life. What the bible simply teaches is believe in Jesus for eternal life. John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. Hebrews 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you. |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by alBHAGDADI: 9:15am On Aug 20, 2018 |
Barristter07:A church is never called an organization. It is simply what it is, a church which is the body of Christ. Calling yourself an organization makes you no different from the world and its ways. You don't call yourself a church. You don't have Bishops, pastors etc. This means Jesus doesn't know you. |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by alBHAGDADI: 9:19am On Aug 20, 2018 |
Barristter07:Where is that stated in the Bible? How many of them were worshipped? |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by Barristter07: 9:30am On Aug 20, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: another quack post Okay which Church do you associate with. ? You don except people who worship Jesus to be counted with TRUE worshippers who worships the. Father John 4:23 . Jesus true disciples are one , with love among themselves ( John 13:34,35) this identify them as a Unique GROUP .
quack post, the mark identifying true Christians disciple of Jesus is their unique Love , Either Nigeria , Ghana or United states . Jehovah's witnesses are one !!! 1 Like |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by Barristter07: 9:31am On Aug 20, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: If a person does not belong to the bolded unique Group, how will those who take the lead Keep watch over his soul ? No wonder Trinity is eating you inside out, when you are not where you ought to be and learn what is true 1 Like |
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