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Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by Barristter07: 5:49pm On Aug 20, 2018 |
oneolajire: The bold , You that have big knowledge of Gods word, Why is Jesus called Son of God ? 2 Likes |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by Barristter07: 5:54pm On Aug 20, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: More confusion for you, Daniel too was worshipped, Jesus followers are worshipped , King David was worshipped . but yet true worshippers will worship the Father 2 Likes |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by alBHAGDADI: 5:58pm On Aug 20, 2018 |
Barristter07:You haven't provided the fact to prove that El Gibbor or whatever means Mighty God or Mighty Leader. You made a claim, yet you want me to prove it. Even your NWT never translated that verse to mean Mighty God. Barristter07: Now, where is it written that Nebuchadnezzar called Daniel a God when he worshiped him? Where is it written that David was called God when he was worshiped? |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by alBHAGDADI: 6:00pm On Aug 20, 2018 |
Barristter07:How many of them were worshiped just as God is worshiped? How many of them were worshiped by angels just as God is worshiped? Hebrews 1:16 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. John 16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 2 Likes |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by Barristter07: 6:32pm On Aug 20, 2018 |
You are tired already , I can see Cc: Jozzy4 , TATME achorladey: A lot . let's proceed
Good you couldn't find fault, instead tried to use question to answer question. Yes, if Abel died and his soul went to heaven ( since good people go to heaven according to them ) , Of what purpose is Jesus death If people make heaven without him . Clearly he isnt the way to God , Good deeds is! In fact he doesn't even need to die since everybody his immortal already, either he die or not , Good people will always make heaven. In the area of prayer, some interceed through Mary .
Good you can't find fault again, instead resort to using question to answer question : Yes, for example: one instruction Jesus gave is that his disciples preach the good news of Gods kingdom ( Matt 24:14) , how many are doing it ? Do they even understand what is meant by God's kingdom talk less of preaching it ? Of course you are not sincere to answer this rightly
Nobody is dead according to them, So Jesus can't give life or ressurect Living people who are presently in heaven .
Christian congregation is not two, Its just one, Jozzy4 already told you people recognized who are Christians because they are all united , the Prophesied drawing away has not taken full force the moment the drawing away take full force , its essential to identify which is which. Since there will many sect's, 2 Peter 2:1,2
Check Act 9:2 , and Act 22:4 where Paul's audience need no asking to know whom he referred to as this " Way " . they are familiar with those called that name.
You provide no answers, your question's are just a display of ignorance 1 Like |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by Barristter07: 6:35pm On Aug 20, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: You are intellectually Lazy, Now open your ears : The Hebrew word rendered " Mighty God " is El Gibbor , the same word was used for humans at Ezekiel 32:21 . Here is Strong's concordance exposition of the word translated " Chiefs " at Ezekiel 32:21 ◄ 410. el ► Strong's Concordance el: God, in pl. gods Original Word: אֵל Part of Speech: Noun Masculine Transliteration: el Phonetic Spelling: (ale) Short Definition: God Can you now see why I said you are intellectually Lazy not to have seen this fact staring at you ?
Ye are GODS , that make Daniel and David GODS by your postulation. The issue is: are they worshipped ? Yes or No 1 Like |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by Barristter07: 6:42pm On Aug 20, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: Worship belongs to God , Do you agree they accept worship and are therefore God's ? 1 Like |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by Barristter07: 6:56pm On Aug 20, 2018 |
search4truth: And JW do not acknowledge Jesus come in flesh ( as human ) ? Use your reasoning faculty before you point accusation
He materialized like angels did in the past even eating in their midst, Unless you want to Tell me he still eat and His intestines process it and he defecate in heaven as human ? 1 Pet 3:18 he was ressurected a spirit 1 Like |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by Nobody: 7:07pm On Aug 20, 2018 |
Barristter07:When they refused to learn from the GB of course they'll have to learn from students taught by the GB. |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by capitalzero: 7:23pm On Aug 20, 2018 |
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Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by Nobody: 7:24pm On Aug 20, 2018 |
Barristter07:Moses was also a God! Exodus 7:1 So there are many Gods in the flesh and they all made MISTAKES,the ONLY difference is that Jesus was PERFECT so even if He made mistakes in the flesh He quickly correct Himself before mortal men like you could notice it. Unless someone more intelligent than you in a thorough research from the recorded scriptures point it out,you'll never notice it! Jesus spoke with a promiscuous Samaritan woman and His words are so sweet that she started thinking otherwise, Jesus quickly realized it and changed the topic of discuss, the woman thinking Jesus is another toaster denied having a husband so Jesus told her all she had done with several men that she was able to SEDUCED in the past that she realized she's talking with a PROPHET! So there Jesus taught us that while preaching someone with an ulterior motive could surface! John 4:7-19 That's why JWs must go out to preach in twos. Luke 10:1 |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by Nobody: 7:29pm On Aug 20, 2018 |
capitalzero:The amusement is just too much! |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by search4truth: 7:53pm On Aug 20, 2018 |
Barristter07:Did i mention anything heaven to you? I'm talking about Jesus earthly ressurection in flesh.[/quote] But it says otherwise in your website You don't even know your doctrines https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/jesus-body/ Jesus rose from the dead in the very same physical body in which He died. This resurrected, physical body was a glorified, spiritual body. The spiritual body is not merely "spirit". The spiritual body is the resurrected, glorified, physical body. After the resurrection, Jesus was able to eat (Luke 24:42-43). He showed people His hands and feet with the nail prints in them (Luke 24:39; John 20:27), and people even grabbed His feet and worshipped Him (Matt. 28:9). As the reports of Jesus' resurrection were spreading, Thomas, who was doubting the resurrection of Christ, said, "Unless I shall see in His hands the imprint of the nails, and put my finger into the place of the nails, and put my hand into His side, I will not believe." (John 20:25). Later, Jesus appeared to Thomas and said to him, "Reach here your finger, and see My hands; and reach here your hand, and put it into My side; and be not unbelieving, but believing." (John 20:27). If Jesus' body had not risen, then He would not have feet and hands with the same holes of the nails of the crucifixion. |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by achorladey: 9:47pm On Aug 20, 2018 |
Barristter07: Barrister07 You are tired already, I can see Cc: Jozzy4 , TATIME Achorladey: You have just joined the discussion and you are shouting tired. Also calling on support for cheap popularity. Hmmmmmm Barrister07: A lot let's proceed. Achorladey: That's good. Ride with me. Barrister07: Good you couldn't find fault, instead tried to use question to answer question. Achorladey: Asking questions with questions aids learning. The organization you are its adherents love doing so. I will find faults if you had said before you know the truth, way or get life you will have to go through an organization. Its good you did not include it in your reply. Barrister07: Yes, if Abel died and his soul went to heaven ( since good people go to heaven according to them ), Of what purpose is Jesus death. If people make heaven without him. Clearly he isnt the way to God. Achorladey: Please at your next preaching day, ask directly your next householder......... Will you(the householder) make heaven without Christ dying for you (the householder)? Do you believe Christ ransom sacrifice cover the sins of Abel? This will answer your question as to whether they know that Christ is the way to God. You want to colour this discussion. No way! FOOD FOR THOUGHT........ Is identifying and joining the organization you subscribe to the Truth, way and the life to Jesus and then then God? Barrister07: Good deeds is! Achorladey: You want to tell me other religious denominations out there don't know what Mark 10:18 That states Jesus said to him no one is good except one God. Are you familiar with this popular song that it's lyrics goes thus "I RECEIVED MERCY". MO RI AANU GBA. Don't corrupt their thoughts. Barrister07: In fact he doesn't even need to die since everybody his immortal already, either he die or not, Good people will always make heaven. Achorladey: You want to colour the discussion by introducing your own bias. Despite there are varying believes about "immortality" note this.....It can never be overlooked that what most markedly distinguishes the beliefs of Jehovah’s Witnesses is not their disbelief of eternal torment or of the inherent IMMORTALITY of the soul or of the trinity, nor their use of the name Jehovah, or their belief in a paradise earth. Every one of these features can be found in other religious organizations. FOOD FOR THOUGHT........ So what your take on these keystone doctrine of the organisation you subscribed to that is centered on .........1914 as the date when Christ’s active rulership began his commencing judgment then and .........., above all, his selecting the Watch Tower organization as his official channel, his assigning full control of all his earthly interests to a faithful and discreet slave class” while giving ultimate authority to its ruling body. Barrister07: In the area of prayer, some interceed through Mary. Achorladey: In the area of salvation and surviving this wicked world, Jws look towards and put faith in the visible organisation. Watchtower March 1 1973. Barrister07: Good you can't find fault again, instead resort to using question to answer question : Achorladey: My response on that above, read through. Barristtter07: Yes, for example: one instruction Jesus gave is that his disciples preach the good news of Gods kingdom ( Matt 24:14) , how many are doing it? Achorladey: The figures are with Jesus' brothers residing in U.S.A Only them can be said to know those preaching about the good news of God's kingdom. The figures that includes cooked hours contained in monthly report slips. FOOD FOR THOUGHT...............Matthew 28:19,20. Does this tell you about Christ knowing those who preach about is Kingdom? Where were your Jesus' brothers in the years after the death of the apostles to the years 1800. Barristter07:Do they even understand what is meant by God's kingdom talk less of preaching it? Of course you are not sincere to answer this rightly. Achorladey: Neither will they understand and accept the best knowledge the organization you adhered to gives concerning God's kingdom. You know why? It is because such knowledge are filled with errors that Jesus' brother admit to in Watchtower Feb 2017. Barristter07: Nobody is dead according to them, So Jesus can't give life or ressurect Living people who are presently in heaven. Achorladey: According to your biased mindset or the bias you want to create. Barristter07: Christian congregation is not two, Its just one, Achorladey: Fantastic point! Why then did Rutherford abandoned been known as simply Christian that Russell admits to be a Divine name and embraced JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES. If you want to be known as JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES why do you attach CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION at the back in recent times? Barristter07 Jozzy4 already told you people recognized who are Christians because they are all united, the Prophesied drawing away has not taken full force the moment the drawing away take full force, its essential to identify which is which. Since there will many sect's, 2 Peter 2:1,2 Achorladey: Yet Paul wrote letters that include counsels on divisions that still exist among them. If the drawing away are not in full force then why did they wrote strongly about it? Please explain how they were all united? Now that you admit to sect, Is CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES among the sect? Or they are the ONLY TRUE CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION in existence? Barristter07: Check Act 9:2 , and Act 22:4 where Paul's audience need no asking to know whom he referred to as this " Way ". they are familiar with those called that name. Achorladey: Fine reference cited. Are those reference in line with what is in Acts 11:26 Are people familiar with "christians" too? Barristter07: You provide no answers, your question's are just a display of ignorance Achorladey: You shouldn't have respond if they were no answers, bring me out of the Ignorance. |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by alBHAGDADI: 9:55pm On Aug 20, 2018 |
Barristter07:Answer my question. How many of them were worshipped by angels? The fact that they were not worshipped by angels shows they were not equated to God when worshipped. Jesus was worshipped by angels, a thing which only God has the right to. That makes him God. |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by Hairyrapunzel: 11:50pm On Aug 20, 2018 |
TATIME: Students of some 8 old human beings who reside in new that say they are imperfect, uninspired (not directed by the holy spirit), fallible and can err in doctrinal matters and organizational direction. All these ones you are shouting and arguing you are just defending errors by your so called gb 2 Likes |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by Hairyrapunzel: 11:58pm On Aug 20, 2018 |
Barristter07: Is it that you want to cover all your non biblical doctrines or you want to justify them ? If you like ask why Jesus is called son of God from now till your new system. The bottom line is you believe that joining watchtower organization is the only way to everlasting life (watchtower magazine stuff) while the bible states that believing in Jesus Christ is the only way to everlasting life. You also believe that Jesus came invisibly and chose watchtower in 1914 (watchtower magazine stuff) bible was silent on this issue. At the end of the day all your doctrines are watchtower magazine stuff. 2 Likes |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by alBHAGDADI: 6:36am On Aug 21, 2018 |
TATIME: So JW believe Jesus made mistakes even when the Bible doesn't even give a slight hint to that. JW is this true? |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by alBHAGDADI: 6:50am On Aug 21, 2018 |
Let's examine some contradictions in the Jehovah's witnesses fake Bible called New World Translation NWT. The verse below is from a King James Version. Colossians 1:16-17 King James Version (KJV) For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. Let's see how the NWT renders it. Col. 1:16-17 NWT "because by means of him all [ other] things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All [ other] things have been created through him and for him. 17 Also, he is before all [ other] things and by means of him all [ other] things were made to exists." I believe you noticed the word OTHER which appears four times in parenthesis in the NWT version. JW included it which you can't find in the Greek manuscripts. They included it to match their narrative that Jesus was created by God, then used to create other things. If God created Jesus and Jesus created every other thing, then how do they explain the verse below? Isaiah, 44:24, "Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, 'I, the LORD, am the maker of all things, stretching out the heavens by Myself, and spreading out the earth all alone.'" How come JW say Jesus created all things ever created but he himself was created by God, yet the above verse says God created ALL things? As much as they try to deny Jesus deity, they end up making a fool of themselves. 1 Like |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by Nobody: 7:18am On Aug 21, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI:It's no more a matter of JWs believe this or believe that my friend, i just raise a point that you can NEVER found in any of our publications right from the 1870s till today, to show you that each member of the organization can discover sacred secrets on his own. This is to show you that those slanderers are only trying to discredit the organization because they don't want anyone to direct their steps,what i told you i've point to the evidences found in the Bible,so it's left to you now to decide either to learn or to continue deceiving yourself like them. Jesus was as PERFECT as Adam,it was Adam's blunder that caused all these troubles we're experiencing today,Satan knows Jesus much more than any earthling man,if Jesus can't make mistakes like Adam Satan won't have tried Him in the first place,so Jesus' ability to make amendments quickly is just what God is asking all of us to learn from Him. Therefore prove me wrong instead of trying to carry along other Jehovah's witnesses to hear their opinions after all what all of you including those slanderers are claiming is that we can't use our brains unless whatever the Watchtower taught us,so i'm proving you wrong on that. |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by Nobody: 7:38am On Aug 21, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI:It's because you're from another religious group, that you're not seeing things clear my friend. All those slanderers knew quite well that JW organization asked each member to continue studying the Bible PERSONALLY to discover SPIRITUAL GEMS on our own. Please ask them if it's not so. Their main problem is the fact that they are "not open to any agreement" because if they're then they must be submissive as in obey whatever is agreed upon as binding on all Christians! There are lessons we can learn from Jesus DIRECTLY through His words,lessons learn through His actions and lessons learnt by meditating on His thoughts! So as i've said earlier whenever a TRUE Christian hears anything new they go back and make a thorough research to ascertain if it's so,because we're all learning from God's word. Act 17:11 compared to Proverbs 2:1-5 The organization is not discouraging PERSONAL discoveries as they are trying to paint it but they're just sons of disobedience and rebellious children of Satan. As for JWs organization the light is getting ever brighter and whoever is not a friend of LIGHT can't stay in it so they're taking their leave but instead of walking away they're trying to discredit the LIGHT! |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by Nobody: 7:42am On Aug 21, 2018 |
Hairyrapunzel:Go and form your own congregation, as for us we're OK with our GB. |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by Barristter07: 7:54am On Aug 21, 2018 |
achorladey: Properly addesss all the areas you called bias . Way Did Jesus need to die before Abels immortal soul make heaven ? ( You are so ignorant to tell me to ask, when the facts show they dont, Anyone can say Yes with their mouths not knowing they don't even believe what they admit to ) ( Respond to this critical area ) Life : Can Jesus ressurect people who are presently alive in heaven ? [Truth, listening to Jesus voice] How can they preach Gods kingdom Jesus asked to preach if they dont understand it ? Who are thoze preaching the kingdom today as prophesied in Mtt 24:14 ? 1 Like |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by Barristter07: 8:07am On Aug 21, 2018 |
search4truth: Its like comprehension issues is really affecting you .
You just proved you are a serial Liar, Show me what says other wise on the website. Besides Its a Criminal act to quote a website and report what it never says as though Its coming from there
As human when he eats, his intestines process it and he will defecate in heaven , Do you agree ?
Scripture said concerning resurrection: it is sown in dishonor , it is raised in Glory Jesus was ressurected in dishonor. With SCARS and wounds? 1 Like |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by Barristter07: 8:20am On Aug 21, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: it doesn't matter who worship who, as long as they accept worship which belongs to God . will yoi also admit Daniel, David and Jesus disciple's are Equal to God ? 1 Like |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by search4truth: 8:24am On Aug 21, 2018 |
Barristter07:Look at the statement made in the article from that link. "Jesus’ own words showed that he would not be resurrected with his flesh-and-blood body. He said that he would give his “flesh in behalf of the life of the world,” as a ransom for mankind. (John 6:51; Matthew 20:28) If he had taken back his flesh when he was resurrected, he would have canceled that ransom sacrifice. This could not have happened, though, for the Bible says that he sacrificed his flesh and blood “once for all time.” Does that statement sound like one that accepts Jesus physical ressurection? How come Thomas identified Jesus by his scars? John 20: 24-29 Try reading the bible and not only your watchtower. Concerning your intestine story, I'm talking about Jesus ressurection on earth and not when he went to heaven. |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by Barristter07: 8:24am On Aug 21, 2018 |
Barristter07: Cc: Albhagdadi Am expecting your valid response to this . Failure to proge it wrong, you must publicly apologize here for saying I lied when i didn't ! 1 Like |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by Barristter07: 9:09am On Aug 21, 2018 |
since you have heard the truth from 1 Pet 3:18, you would stay confuse search4truth: the statement agrees with 1Pet 3:18 , ressurected as a Spirit
and that same bible made it clear ressurected ones are not raised in dishonor, Are you now telling us Jesus was raised with Dishonor of scars and wound ?
open your thinking faculty did he eat after he was ressurected as human? that food will be digested and he will then defecate, do you agree since he is human ? 1 Like |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by alBHAGDADI: 9:30am On Aug 21, 2018 |
TATIME: Jesus never made any mistake. He was holy and righteous without fault. If he had made mistakes as you claim, then it means God made a mistake by giving a lamb with blemish for the redemption of mankind. But that is not the case because the Bible says Jesus is a spotless lamb. 1 Peter 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 1 John 3:5 You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin. Isaiah 53:9 His grave was assigned with wicked men, Yet He was with a rich man in His death, Because He had done no violence, Nor was there any deceit in His mouth. |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by oneolajire(m): 12:33pm On Aug 21, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: Don't mind them. They have been taught to denigrate Jesus. They only give him little cosmetic adoration. It isn't their fault, it is their progenitor's. 1 Like |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by search4truth: 12:42pm On Aug 21, 2018 |
Barristter07:At first you said i lied about what was in the website but now you're agreeing that the statement correlates with what 1st Peter 3:18 says. You actually said Jesus ressurected physically but since your website says otherwise, you had no choice than to follow them. At least you're admitting Jesus didn't ressurect physically. Besides what does it mean to be made alive in the spirit? I leave that to you as an assignment Lets leave the ressurection issue-- Do you beeive in the Jw 607/1914 doctrine? and can you tell me why you think its right? |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by alBHAGDADI: 12:55pm On Aug 21, 2018 |
Barristter07:I seriously don't understand what you are saying there. |
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