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Re: Atheist Is An Open Declaration Of Evil Intent? Discuss? by rekinomtla(m): 5:54pm On Sep 11, 2018 |
Dalam0n: Islam a false religion. Why you condemning their actions in the first place when you don't believe there is any objective truth in the matter? You believe morality is an human invention which is determined by society. |
Re: Atheist Is An Open Declaration Of Evil Intent? Discuss? by Dalam0n: 6:09pm On Sep 11, 2018 |
rekinomtla: Christianity is also a false religion. Am condemning their action because it is against my right to survive as a human being. You are yet to show that morality isn't a human invention. Show me one moral principle that wasn't invented by human beings. Show me one that was invented by the creator of the universe and not human beings. Am waiting. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Atheist Is An Open Declaration Of Evil Intent? Discuss? by rekinomtla(m): 6:21pm On Sep 11, 2018 |
Dalam0n: Then you shouldn't label anyone action as being morally wrong. It's just wrong for you, your opinion. |
Re: Atheist Is An Open Declaration Of Evil Intent? Discuss? by Dalam0n: 6:47pm On Sep 11, 2018 |
rekinomtla: You keep making EMPTY claims when asked to defend them you start crying baa baa baa. Morality is a human creation that come about mostly through consensus. Today our law makers make laws for us to abide by. Back in the days religious leaders do it and ascribe it to what ever concept of God the society invents and worships. Again show me one moral principle that isn't a human invention. Show me! Am tired of your empty talk and false claims. |
Re: Atheist Is An Open Declaration Of Evil Intent? Discuss? by rekinomtla(m): 7:04pm On Sep 11, 2018 |
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Re: Atheist Is An Open Declaration Of Evil Intent? Discuss? by budaatum: 11:28pm On Sep 11, 2018 |
rekinomtla:No it doesn't! Relative means "in relation to", and not, rekinomtla can make it up in the head! 2 Likes |
Re: Atheist Is An Open Declaration Of Evil Intent? Discuss? by budaatum: 11:31pm On Sep 11, 2018 |
rekinomtla:Vaxx, do you see a blindness here? 1 Like |
Re: Atheist Is An Open Declaration Of Evil Intent? Discuss? by budaatum: 11:34pm On Sep 11, 2018 |
rekinomtla:No! That's your opinion! Or are we not telling you how wrong you are? |
Re: Atheist Is An Open Declaration Of Evil Intent? Discuss? by frank317: 12:35am On Sep 12, 2018 |
rekinomtla: Huh Its his opinion so he shouldn't say it? What's this guy saying? |
Re: Atheist Is An Open Declaration Of Evil Intent? Discuss? by rekinomtla(m): 6:13am On Sep 12, 2018 |
budaatum: Suppose the following situation then: One person says It is morally wrong to kill someone for personal pleasure. Another person says it is morally right. Question: Who is correct according to moral relativism, is it morally right to kill for personal pleasure or is it not? |
Re: Atheist Is An Open Declaration Of Evil Intent? Discuss? by rekinomtla(m): 6:16am On Sep 12, 2018 |
frank317: Should i say your belief that chocolate tastes better than vanilla is wrong? |
Re: Atheist Is An Open Declaration Of Evil Intent? Discuss? by frank317: 7:44am On Sep 12, 2018 |
rekinomtla: U don't need to...since it affects no one |
Re: Atheist Is An Open Declaration Of Evil Intent? Discuss? by rekinomtla(m): 8:29am On Sep 12, 2018 |
frank317: So if you opinion affects me i should say your opinion is wrong. How does that make any sense? |
Re: Atheist Is An Open Declaration Of Evil Intent? Discuss? by frank317: 10:10am On Sep 12, 2018 |
rekinomtla: U argue like the world is black and white. Of what importance is telling and arguing with u that ur taste in chocolate is wrong? How many people go around bothering themselves with irrelevant issues. Now we are talking about morality which affects us as humans, u are bringing in taste. If I slap u because I feel I am right, the slap is gonna hurt u and u will react. This action and reaction forms our general ideology on what is wrong or right. No one goes to ask ur God(creator of morality) if he should feel bad because someone slapped him. Further, because of your reaction to the slap, I will be careful not to slap another person even if I feel I am morally right to slap. Likewise my reaction when I am slapped too. Humans are not robots waiting for one nonsense creator to tell them what is right or wrong. We interact with each other and decide what should be right or wrong. Let me ask u...since its obvious to u that something morally right in Nigeria could be morally wrong in India,why do u insist a creator decides what is moral? Are u not seeing he is useless in terms of how humans decides what is right for them? Can't u see? 1 Like |
Re: Atheist Is An Open Declaration Of Evil Intent? Discuss? by rekinomtla(m): 11:07am On Sep 12, 2018 |
frank317: OK, so if I slapped you and I believe there's nothing morally wrong about it. While on the other hand, you believe i'm morally wrong. Who is correct, is my action morally wrong or not? Let me ask u...since its obvious to u that something morally right in Nigeria could be morally wrong in India, That's not obvious to me. (Eg. I consider homosexuality to be wrong anywhere). What you said is obvious to cultural moral relativism. why do u insist a creator decides what is moral? Are u not seeing he is useless in terms of how humans decides what is right for them? Can't u see? I insist that a creator is needed to make sense of objective morality, otherwise I don't see how moral realism can make any sense. Most of you atheists here even seem to be arguing for objective morals even tho you claim you moral relativists. |
Re: Atheist Is An Open Declaration Of Evil Intent? Discuss? by budaatum: 12:38pm On Sep 12, 2018 |
rekinomtla:It is morally wrong to kill someone for pleasure and anyone who says it isn't is just mad! If that person goes to kill someone for pleasure we, the rest of us, will throw their ass in jail and there'd be no relativism about it! I don't get this "moral relativism" at all! 1 Like |
Re: Atheist Is An Open Declaration Of Evil Intent? Discuss? by budaatum: 12:53pm On Sep 12, 2018 |
rekinomtla:So you slap me and you believe there's nothing morally wrong about it. Can I ask you, does my face not hurt? Don't worry, when I slap you back and kick your head in in return, you can thank me, and say I did no wrong. rekinomtla:What you are saying is that you need a higher force to tell you the right and proper thing to do or you might just go ahead and do whatever you like whether its right or not. I get you, some people are like that. You can't reason and decide what is moral or immoral for your self. Other people, tend to reason and think for themselves. They assign high power to their mind and brain and reason so no one gets to be lord over them, they reason by themselves. They do not just go about slapping people and justifying it. Like I said, they reason with their minds and brains. |
Re: Atheist Is An Open Declaration Of Evil Intent? Discuss? by frank317: 1:04pm On Sep 12, 2018 |
rekinomtla:Its simple... Why don't you go outside and slap any man walking on the street. If I say u are morally right to slap anyone.... We will see if u will slap another again after slapping the stranger. Sometimes u guys ask questions like say una no go school. I never said u didn't consider homosexuality to be wrong everywhere... Does it stop an american from considering it right everywhere? Are you the only one on earth? If u consider homosexuality wrong does it mean everyone considers it wrong? Why are u answering a different thing when I asked u another thing. How can u say its not obvious to u, don't u know that certain people in other countries consider it right? Unfortunately this is not the case... Or is it? If yes show us facta that made u think morality is objective. 1 Like |
Re: Atheist Is An Open Declaration Of Evil Intent? Discuss? by LordReed(m): 7:58am On Sep 13, 2018 |
rekinomtla: No that is not consistent with objective morality. You cannot say something is true in one situation and not true in another and call it objective.
The correct answer is, who is rational. Who's position brings the best good to society and the individuals that make it up.
If you can rationally show me that your opinion is better than mine then yes you are right. If you can rationally show me how murdering a person is good then you are right.
LoL, changing the semantics doesn't change the action, you are still killing.
Killing is killing, whether lawfully or unlawfully so yes there is no objective morality as evidenced even by your god. Allow his people to kill in one situation and prohibit them from killing in another. 3 Likes |
Re: Atheist Is An Open Declaration Of Evil Intent? Discuss? by frank317: 6:10pm On Sep 13, 2018 |
LordReed: I have a feeling the guys has seen how foolish he sounds |
Re: Atheist Is An Open Declaration Of Evil Intent? Discuss? by LordReed(m): 9:16pm On Sep 13, 2018 |
frank317: Let's hope so. |
Re: Atheist Is An Open Declaration Of Evil Intent? Discuss? by rekinomtla(m): 11:04am On Sep 14, 2018 |
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Re: Atheist Is An Open Declaration Of Evil Intent? Discuss? by rekinomtla(m): 11:10am On Sep 14, 2018 |
frank317: Actually I just got bored. Im not going to repeat myself over and over again. 1 Like |
Re: Atheist Is An Open Declaration Of Evil Intent? Discuss? by frank317: 1:54pm On Sep 14, 2018 |
rekinomtla: have a great day 2 Likes |
Re: Atheist Is An Open Declaration Of Evil Intent? Discuss? by LordReed(m): 4:13pm On Sep 14, 2018 |
rekinomtla: I can show you other examples of moral subjectivity by your god if the talk of killing has soured you. |
Re: Atheist Is An Open Declaration Of Evil Intent? Discuss? by rekinomtla(m): 5:04pm On Sep 14, 2018 |
LordReed: I don't think you showed any examples of the "moral subjectivity" of my God. I think you've misunderstood what is moral objectivism and moral relativism is, you likewise most probably think I've misunderstood those terms. That's why I'll rather just agree to disagree then have both of us repeat ourselves. |
Re: Atheist Is An Open Declaration Of Evil Intent? Discuss? by LordReed(m): 10:54pm On Sep 14, 2018 |
rekinomtla: OK define moral objectivity then we'll go from there. 1 Like |
Re: Atheist Is An Open Declaration Of Evil Intent? Discuss? by frank317: 11:16pm On Sep 14, 2018 |
LordReed: He will not. His inability to cope is boring him. He is afraid of delving into a doubt zone therefore further engagement is not needed. |
Re: Atheist Is An Open Declaration Of Evil Intent? Discuss? by LordReed(m): 7:26am On Sep 15, 2018 |
frank317: Hopefully he'll engage, this stuff is fascinating when you look into it. |
Re: Atheist Is An Open Declaration Of Evil Intent? Discuss? by rekinomtla(m): 10:09am On Sep 15, 2018 |
frank317: You not answering the question, you dodging it. So I’ll ask you again: rekinomtla: This time please answer the question. I don't wana call you out for dodging again I never said u didn't consider homosexuality to be wrong everywhere... Does it stop an american from considering it right everywhere? Not sure if you being deliberately dishonest here. But before you asked me isn’t it obvious to me that something could be right in one society and wrong in another. To that I said NO. I’m a moral realist therefore I believe that certain actions under certain circumstances are wrong in all and every society. That is I believe our moral judgments can be true or false, and what makes true or false is independent of our beliefs (hence, the term moral objectivism). But now you changed the question. Now you asking me if it isn’t obvious to me that certain people have different moral beliefs. That certain people in one society for example consider/believe homosexuality to be wrong but in another society some people consider/believe it to be right. But that’s not what you ask me the first time. Originally you asked me what is the case, now you asking what people believe to be the case. The question I asked you above, the one you dodged shows the difference, that’s why I asked it. Unfortunately this is not the case... How about you define and provide evidence for moral relativism instead of just asserting or assuming it’s true until someone proves to you that morality is objective. Why are atheists always like this, assume their position until someone provides absolute proof that another view is true. Or is it? If yes show us facta that made u think morality is objective. We know that morality is objective by intuition. Intuition is right until we have good reason to doubt it. We know for instance that some of our moral judgments are true regardless if people believe them or not. (Eg we know killing for personal pleasure is morally wrong evens if the person who does so believes it is morally right.) But go ahead explain how moral relativism reaches its conclusion that nothing is objectively wrong but it's only differences in opinion. I'm sure psychopaths will agree |
Re: Atheist Is An Open Declaration Of Evil Intent? Discuss? by rekinomtla(m): 10:11am On Sep 15, 2018 |
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