Kobojunkie:
First of all, how did you jiggy a fifth kingdom out of what is written in Daniel 2?


2. Rome was destroyed as God said it would be.(the prophecy pretty much makes clear that it would all be destroyed.) So, why do you need it to exist to this day?

1. Consult the other prophecies too

2. How, as Daniel 2:44 said?
Rome is the 6th head John saw in his vision

Aemmyjah:
1. Consult the other prophecies too
2. How, as Daniel 2:44 said? ....

How does consulting the "other prophecies" CHANGE what is made clear in Daniel 2?

2. Are you really trying to say then that the Kingdom of God — the Kingdom set up by God Himself during the time of the fourth Kingdom— is this fifth kingdom which according to you is an Anglo-American human kingdom?

39 “Another kingdom will come after you, but it will not be as great as your kingdom. Next, a third kingdom will rule over the earth—that is the bronze part.
40 Then there will be a fourth kingdom. That kingdom will be strong like iron. Just as iron breaks things and smashes them to pieces, that fourth kingdom will break all the other kingdoms and smash them to pieces.
41 “You saw that the feet and toes of the statue were partly clay and partly iron. That means the fourth kingdom will be a divided kingdom. It will have some of the strength of iron in it just as you saw the iron mixed with clay.
42 The toes of the statue were partly iron and partly clay. So the fourth kingdom will be partly strong like iron and partly weak like clay.
43 You saw the iron mixed with clay, but iron and clay don’t completely mix together. In the same way the people of the fourth kingdom will be a mixture. They will not be united as one people.
44 “During the time of the kings of the fourth kingdom, the God of heaven will set up another kingdom that will continue forever. It will never be destroyed. And it will be the kind of kingdom that cannot be passed on to another group of people. This kingdom will crush all the other kingdoms. It will bring them to an end, but that kingdom itself will continue forever.
45 “King Nebuchadnezzar, you saw a rock cut from a mountain, but no one cut that rock. The rock broke the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold to pieces. In this way God showed you what will happen in the future. The dream is true, and you can trust that this is what it means.” - Daniel 2 vs 39 - 45

Kobojunkie:
How does consulting the "other prophecies" CHANGE what is made clear in Daniel 2?

2. Are you really trying to say then that the Kingdom of God — the Kingdom set up by God Himself — is this fifth Anglo-American human kingdom you have been alluding to all this while?

1. It doesn't change it. It adds more meaning

2. Is Jesus the ruler of Anglo American world power? Does Anglo-America rule from heaven

Aemmyjah:
1. It doesn't change it. It adds more meaning
2. Is Jesus the ruler of Anglo American world power? Does Anglo-America rule from heaven

1. Sure it can add but if it contradicts/conflicts with it then surely you can see how it cannot do that — add more meaning.

2. You said the How is to be found in Daniel 2 vs 44 and the only Kingdom that is referenced in verse 44 is the Kingdom of God, the rock that led to the destruction of the fourth Kingdom. So, where is your fifth Anglo-American Kingdom to be found in any of that?

Aemmyjah:
...Daniel 7...

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Aemmyjah:
...Who is the small horn that defeated 3 horns to become significant....

As for the 3 horns mentioned in Daniel 7,...

23 “And he explained this to me: ‘The fourth animal is a fourth kingdom that will come on the earth. It will be different from all the other kingdoms. That fourth kingdom will destroy people all around the world. It will walk on and crush nations all around the world.
24 The ten horns are ten kings that will come from this fourth kingdom. After those ten kings are gone, another king will come. He will be different from the kings who ruled before him. He will defeat three of the other kings.
25 This special king will say things against God Most High, and he will hurt and kill God’s special people. That king will try to change the times and laws that have already been set. God’s holy people will be under that king’s power for three and one-half years.
26 “‘But the court will decide what should happen, and that king’s power will be taken away. His kingdom will end completely.
27 Then God’s holy people will rule over the kingdom and all the people from all the kingdoms of the earth. This kingdom will last forever, and people from all the other kingdoms will respect and serve them.’
28 “And that was the end of the dream. I, Daniel, was very afraid. My face became very white from fear, and I did not tell the other people what I saw and heard.” - Daniel 7 vs 23 - 28

...clearly explains that there will be 4 kingdoms, and not 5, as you had originally surmised. The small horn that defeated 3 horns is depicted as belonging to a head in the 4th Kingdom — the fourth beast described in the vision.

It would help if you showed me where you were able to find a 5th human political kingdom since so far, there is no indication that it exists, and this is in at least either of Daniel 2 or Daniel 7 as we have seen so far.

Aemmyjah:
Daniel 8

In Daniel 8, the vision was primarily about the ram which represented the MedoPersian Kingdom...

20 “You saw a ram with two horns. The horns are the countries of Media and Persia.
21 The goat is the king of Greece. The big horn between its eyes is the first king.
22 That horn broke off and four horns grew in its place. The four horns are four kingdoms. Those four kingdoms will come from the nation of the first king, but they will not be as strong as the first king.
23 “When the end is near for those kingdoms, there will be a very bold and cruel king who will be very tricky. This will happen when many people have turned against God.
24 This king will be very powerful, but his power does not come from himself. This king will cause terrible destruction. He will be successful in everything he does. He will destroy powerful people—even God’s holy people.
25 “This king will be very smart and tricky. He will use his wisdom and lies to be successful. He will think that he is very important. He will destroy many people, when they least expect it. He will try to fight even the Prince of Princes. But that cruel king’s power will be destroyed, and it will not be a human hand that destroys him.
26 “What I said and the vision about those times are true. But seal up the vision, because those things will not happen for a long, long time.”
27 I, Daniel, became very weak. I was sick for several days after that vision. Then I got up and went back to work for the king, but I was very upset about the vision. I did not understand what it meant. - Daniel 8 vs 20 - 27

and the goat which represented the Kingdom of Greece. A hint is made to a possible third beast but not clearly defined as one in this vision. No other beasts (Kingdoms were indicated in that chapter).

No fifth Kingdom is indicated either in this chapter meaning your Anglo-American Kingdom of human power idea does not reside in this chapter either.

Kobojunkie:
In Daniel 8, the vision was primarily about the ram which represented the MedoPersian Kingdom...
and the goat which represented the Kingdom of Greece. A hint is made to a possible third beast but not clearly defined as one in this vision. No other beasts (Kingdoms were indicated in that chapter).

No fifth Kingdom is indicated either in this chapter meaning your Anglo-American Kingdom of human power idea does not reside in this chapter either.

You yourself acknowledge that Greece ia not the last world power, would you not consult other verses that throw more light?
You did not answer the question as to which power represents the feet of clay and iron

Kobojunkie:
....
As for the 3 horns mentioned in Daniel 7,...
...clearly explains that there will be 4 kingdoms, and not 5, as you had originally surmised. The small horn that defeated 3 horns is depicted as belonging to a head in the 4th Kingdom — the fourth beast described in the vision.

It would help if you showed me where you were able to find a 5th human political kingdom since so far, there is no indication that it exists, and this is in at least either of Daniel 2 or Daniel 7 as we have seen so far.

4 kingdoms...
Babylon
Medopersia
Greece
Rome

All these have come and gone

Kobojunkie:
1. Sure it can add but if it contradicts/conflicts with it then surely you can see how it cannot do that — add more meaning.

2. You said the How is to be found in Daniel 2 vs 44 and the only Kingdom that is referenced in verse 44 is the Kingdom of God, the rock that led to the destruction of the fourth Kingdom. So, where is your fifth Anglo-American Kingdom to be found in any of that?

Rome is depicted as the part of iron .
Daniel mentions that of clay mixed with iron during the time of the end which God himself will destroy?
Rome is no longer world power
Who is the 7th head John described?

Aemmyjah:
■ 4 kingdoms...
Babylon
Medopersia
Greece
Rome
All these have come and gone

Exactly as stated in the 3 prophecies of Daniel 2, Daniel 7 and Daniel 8 , yes!

Kobojunkie:
Exactly as stated in the 3 prophecies of Daniel 2, Daniel 7 and Daniel 8 , yes!

Daniel 2:44 is yet to fulfill
Are we under Roman world power?

Aemmyjah:
■ Rome is depicted as the part of iron .
Daniel mentions that of clay mixed with iron during the time of the end which God himself will destroy?
Rome is no longer world power
■ Who is the 7th head John described?

Read again what Daniel in fact said of the toes of the Statue.

39 “Another kingdom will come after you, but it will not be as great as your kingdom. Next, a third kingdom will rule over the earth—that is the bronze part.
40 Then there will be a fourth kingdom. That kingdom will be strong like iron. Just as iron breaks things and smashes them to pieces, that fourth kingdom will break all the other kingdoms and smash them to pieces.
41 “You saw that the feet and toes of the statue were partly clay and partly iron. That means the fourth kingdom will be a divided kingdom. It will have some of the strength of iron in it just as you saw the iron mixed with clay.
42 The toes of the statue were partly iron and partly clay. So the fourth kingdom will be partly strong like iron and partly weak like clay.
43 You saw the iron mixed with clay, but iron and clay don’t completely mix together. In the same way the people of the fourth kingdom will be a mixture. They will not be united as one people.
44 “During the time of the kings of the fourth kingdom, the God of heaven will set up another kingdom that will continue forever. It will never be destroyed. And it will be the kind of kingdom that cannot be passed on to another group of people. This kingdom will crush all the other kingdoms. It will bring them to an end, but that kingdom itself will continue forever.
45 “King Nebuchadnezzar, you saw a rock cut from a mountain, but no one cut that rock. The rock broke the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold to pieces. In this way God showed you what will happen in the future. The dream is true, and you can trust that this is what it means.” - Daniel 2 vs 39 - 45

As Daniel said, the toes of iron mixed with clay represent the people of the fourth Kingdom.

2. Well, so far, we have not found your fifth human Kingdom anywhere in the 3 prophecies, are you somehow of the mind that John came up with an entirely different prophecy of his own without at least a second witness to it?

Aemmyjah:
■ Daniel 2:44 is yet to fulfill. Are we under Roman world power?

Hasn't been fulfilled how?

You, who, are not under what Roman world power? The Roman world power came and was decimated by the Kingdom of God which was established during the end of days — the last days of God's Judgment of the people of Israel(and Judah), Daniel's people. Why are you of all people expecting a second Roman power to show up for you?

Kobojunkie:
Hasn't been fulfilled how?

You, who, are not under what Roman world power? The Roman world power came and was decimated by the Kingdom of God which was established during the end of days — the last days of God's Judgment of the people of Israel(and Judah), Daniel's people. Why are you of all people expecting a second Roman power to show up for you?

😂
Rome was never decimated
It declined
Bible says that God kingdom will crush not just the 7th head but all vestige of human government. Another Bible prophet says the ruler will be Jesus Christ.
Rome is the 6th head and it confirms what John says since it was ruling in his time but he said that one was to come

Kobojunkie:
Read again what Daniel in fact said of the toes of the Statue. As Daniel said, the toes of iron mixed with clay represent the people of the fourth Kingdom.

2. Well, so far, we have not found your fifth human Kingdom anywhere in the 3 prophecies, are you somehow of the mind that John came up with an entirely different prophecy of his own without at least a second witness to it?

The kingdom that is partly of clay and iron represents which empire?

Aemmyjah:
■ The kingdom that is partly of clay and iron represents which empire?

The fourth Kingdom.

Aemmyjah:
■ 😂
Rome was never decimated
■ It declined. Bible says that God kingdom will crush not just the 7th head but all vestige of human government.

1. So, the Roman empire exists to this very day of ours? Where?

2. What verse of what chapter of the book of Daniel are you quoting from here?

forget Prince of persia, the Prince of Nigeria bad gaun. dude don choke nigerians with poverty sotey dem no fit breet. damn.

Kobojunkie:
If you read what is written in the first verse of the same chapter that is Daniel 10, you would find a literal mention of the identity of the King of Persia at the time in question.
So, if in his journal, Daniel already indicated that the King of Persia at the time of the event was Cyrus, a human and man, then it should follow that the mentions of the Prince of Persia, the Prince of Greece, and the Prince of Daniel's people aka the Israelites, in addition to a repeat mention of the King of Persia, ought also be reference to either the individuals who occupy the seats or the office in question.

2. What you have done here is certainly not taking it at "face value" rather, you chose to regurgitate the same delusional lie that has previously been fed to you by your mogs and pastors. There is no evil ruling any nation except for the men— flesh and blood— who rule over them. You can read through the books of Jeremiah, Haggai, Isaiah, etc. to see how God directly punished the Kings, and peoples of each nation as He saw fit. No evil archangel power ruling people.

Gabriel and Michael could hardly contain Cyprus by themselves.
I cannot remember if there were mentions of the army of Cyrus

Kobojunkie:
1. So, the Roman empire exists to this very day of ours? Where?

2. What verse of what chapter of the book of Daniel are you quoting from here?

The last human world power was to be destroyed by God's kingdom and it will remove every vestige of humans government and rule as one sole government.
Has that prophecy been fulfilled?
Who is that last world power? Rome or...?

Kobojunkie:
The fourth Kingdom.

The one to be destroyed by God's kingdom. What is the name of the world power?

Aemmyjah:
■ The one to be destroyed by God's kingdom. What is the name of the world power?

You yourself pointed out several times in your own comments that the fourth Kingdom was the Roman Empire. So why are you asking me this question now as if you suddenly do not know the name of the world power which destroyed God's city of Jerusalem and Temple almost 1900 years ago?

Aemmyjah:
■ The last human world power was to be destroyed by God's kingdom and it will remove every vestige of humans government and rule as one sole government.
■ Has that prophecy been fulfilled? Who is that last world power? Rome or...?

Where in the Book of Daniel does this claim of yours come from?

2. You tell me because you have yet to show me where in the Book of Daniel you get your ideas from. So far, we have seen that it couldn't be either of Daniel 3, 7 or 8.

TenQ:
■ Gabriel and Michael could hardly contain Cyprus by themselves.
I cannot remember if there were mentions of the army of Cyrus

Storyland!

Is that not the same Cyrus God chose to use in the rebuilding of His Temple and repatriation of the Jews back to Judah?

Kobojunkie:
Where in the Book of Daniel does this claim of yours come from?

2. You tell me because you have yet to show me where in the Book of Daniel you get your ideas from. So far, we have seen that it couldn't be either of Daniel 3, 7 or 8.

U have not answered me either
Daniel 10-12
The visions of the wild beast
Has the prophecy of Daniel 2: 44 been fulfilled?
Rome was not destroyed either. It disintegrated and declined

Kobojunkie:
You yourself pointed out several times in your own comments that the fourth Kingdom was the Roman Empire. So why are you asking me this question now as if you suddenly do not know the name of the world power which destroyed God's city of Jerusalem and Temple almost 1900 years ago?

Daniel says one world power will be ruling when God's kingdom destroys it
Rome, the 6th head has come and gone

Aemmyjah:
■ U have not answered me either
Daniel 10-12
The visions of the wild beast
■ Has the prophecy of Daniel 2: 44 been fulfilled?
Rome was not destroyed either. It disintegrated and declined

Where abouts is Daniel 10 -12 can I find any of what you said so I can post it in bold for all to see.

2. For the umpteenth time, Daniel 2 vs 44 has long been fulfiled as God said it would be during the last days of His Israel (and Judah).
□ God set up the Kingdom of God, His everlasting Kingdom
□ the Kingdom of God crushed all the other Kingdoms, bringing them all to an end
□ 2000 years later, the Kingdom of God remains while the other Kingdoms are tales of History

Aemmyjah:
■ Daniel says one world power will be ruling when God's kingdom destroys it
■ Rome, the 6th head has come and gone

Where exactly did Daniel say those words?

2. Where in the book of Daniel do you have Rome as a sixth head?

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Kobojunkie:
Where exactly did Daniel say those words?

2. Where in the book of Daniel do you have Rome as a sixth head?

1. Daniel 2:44
2. Did I say Daniel mention it as the 6th head?

John saw 7 heads on the wild beast in his vision at the island of Patmos during his exile
5 had come and gone
One was ruling
One was to come.

They don't contradict each other but corroborate.

Bible says Rome would disintegrate. It did disintegrate. It's no longer a world power
Daniel began wit Babylonia world power

John begins with the first and 2nd world powers that preceeded Babylon... He said 7 heads on a wild beast which was to receive judgement from God
Fittingly, Both Daniel and John uses beasts to describe them

Aemmyjah:
1. Daniel 2:44

OK, so long as what you are now saying is exactly that written in the same Daniel 2 vs 44, then alright!

39 “Another kingdom will come after you, but it will not be as great as your kingdom. Next, a third kingdom will rule over the earth—that is the bronze part.
40 Then there will be a fourth kingdom. That kingdom will be strong like iron. Just as iron breaks things and smashes them to pieces, that fourth kingdom will break all the other kingdoms and smash them to pieces.
41 “You saw that the feet and toes of the statue were partly clay and partly iron. That means the fourth kingdom will be a divided kingdom. It will have some of the strength of iron in it just as you saw the iron mixed with clay.
42 The toes of the statue were partly iron and partly clay. So the fourth kingdom will be partly strong like iron and partly weak like clay.
43 You saw the iron mixed with clay, but iron and clay don’t completely mix together. In the same way the people of the fourth kingdom will be a mixture. They will not be united as one people.
44 “During the time of the kings of the fourth kingdom, the God of heaven will set up another kingdom that will continue forever. It will never be destroyed. And it will be the kind of kingdom that cannot be passed on to another group of people. This kingdom will crush all the other kingdoms. It will bring them to an end, but that kingdom itself will continue forever.
45 “King Nebuchadnezzar, you saw a rock cut from a mountain, but no one cut that rock. The rock broke the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold to pieces. In this way God showed you what will happen in the future. The dream is true, and you can trust that this is what it means.” - Daniel 2 vs 39 - 45

Aemmyjah:
■ Did I say Daniel mention it as the 6th head?
John saw 7 heads on the wild beast in his vision at the island of Patmos during his exile
5 had come and gone
One was ruling
One was to come.
They don't contradict each other but corroborate. Bible says Rome would disintegrate. It did disintegrate. It's no longer a world power
■ Daniel began wit Babylonia world power. John begins with the first and 2nd world powers that preceeded Babylon... He said 7 heads on a wild beast which was to receive judgement from God. Fittingly, Both Daniel and John uses beasts to describe them

How can a that which clearly states that there will be 4 Kingdoms not conflict with that which instead says there will be 5 instead? Can 4 = 5? .

So far, you now attest to the fact that Daniel mentioned only 4 Kingdoms in all 3 of his visions — Daniel 2, 7, and 8 —which we have examined so far. So why continue to insist that your private interpretation of what you claim John said is the same as that which is of Daniel?

Let's not derail this thread at all any further. Create a thread of your own regarding what John supposedly said and we can examine that and maybe see where your claim of a world power predating Babylon was supposedly mentioned by the person of John.