Jonra:
Your ancestors worshipped gods and I'm not saying there aren't bits of truth in their worldview. I'm Igbo and know the ways of my fathers, but there's a place for objective reality. All religions cannot be right. Subject them to tests of truth and there's none that gives the answers like Christ Jesus.

Ever since God created the world, his invisible qualities, both his eternal power and his divine nature, have been clearly seen; they are perceived in the things that God has made. So those people have no excuse at all!
Romans 1:20 GNT

Question your ancestors worldviews, it will not hold up. Seek Christ before it's too late.

Liveair:

Then, its either you are not paying attention to what you just wrote or the bible has lied to you about your Gods willingness or ability to save.
Remember, "...its not of him that willeth but of Him that showeth mercy," right.

lightblazingnow:
John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.


3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is CONDEMNED ALREADY, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.


Come to the terms and conditions, condemned in the justice of the creator. No one will say he wasn't given a fair hearing by the judge, Christ Jesus. We tell you the everlasting truth, there is faith, hope and unfailing love right now for all. You can believe now or chose not to. Don't forget that the pronouncement to unbelievers are Harsha judgements and condemnation. You shouldn't wish your enemies should go through such damnation.


We call you all to hear, please hear the voice of heaven pleading with you to be reconciled to God Almighty through his beloved son CHRIST JESUS.






2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.


5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.. Amen

Jonra:


I believe in the Good news of Jesus Christ. I'm led by the spirit of God. It's just that you seem to think there's no reason to believe, just faith. You seem to believe that science disproves religion, which has never been the case. I'm only concerned about your soul.

alowonle02:

U get it wrong, all creatures will be called upon and judgment will be given to them even to an ants.

Jonra:


Ok. So it's clear you believe in creation. Regarding creation, it's fair to probe the intent - at the beginning Adam made to live in communion with God. Man defaulted and became corrupt, so sticking with our analogy, it's fair to say that all the dogs are bad and you have come to show a way for them to come back to commune with you. Outside of this grace, death upon the dogs...it's still their choice!

Who am I to tell of God who changed my heart. Who transformed Peter the coward into a fiery preacher that converted thousands on pentecost, who turned Saul the persecutor to Paul the apostle to the gentiles, Who transforms the hardest atheist hearts to hearts wholly devoted to worship and evangelism. Who died, resurrected and appeared to over 500 witnesses. The Bible is historically verified.

Now the Bible says, "Ever since God created the world, his invisible qualities, both his eternal power and his divine nature, have been clearly seen; they are perceived in the things that God has made. So those people have no excuse at all!"
Romans 1:20 GNT

Which leads to the argument for intelligent design. Or do you believe a dictionary is formed by an explosion at a printing press? Or that a tornado going through a junkyard can put together a fully functional Boeing 787 airplane?
The human eye is more complex than a dictionary and a Boeing jet.
It is a mathematical impossibility to believe in life evolving from nothing, given the conditions after the big bang. Proven by Roger Penrose at Oxford.


Now how do we know what is true? First is the question of Origin, then there's meaning, then there's morality and finally destiny. How does a religion answer these questions. And after the answers are given, is there a coherence of answers (no systemic or particular contradictions) and do those answers correspond to reality.

But most importantly is the life of the ones who proposed that way to God. Everyone but Christ says, follow this way to God. Christ Jesus says "I am the way, the truth and the Life". The earthly life of Jesus was impeccable. Virtue is lovable when it is incarnated in a man.


So if Jesus Christ makes all these claims, I encourage you to find out why. I can help your discovery

Jonra:


Ok, let's settle for good and evil that you believe in.

For good to exist, there must be a law by which to judge these things. You can't posit a moral law without a moral law giver. Moral law isn't in the realm of reason.

Forgetting arguments or theories about origin or destiny. Let's just settle for a discourse on the meaning of your life and mine? On who this moral law giver is!

Jonra:


It's been tested for two millennia and still standing.

Bring it on!!!

Jonra:


I'll give you this evidence when you name the part of your DNA that tells right from wrong.

I'm assuming you aren't African?

Glink2018:


Your comments show that you don't even know what you believe ...
End of conversation. I take my leave

jefferyboy:
Trashed.wake up.

MisterGrace:


And what happenes to your soul afterwards?

Glink2018:


For you to understand my comment very well, you must first purge your conscience from wrong motive and perception about Christian/& Christian leaders.

Period!

CSTR1005:

The Bible qctually reinforce that.

And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved."
Acts 4:12

Also God does not mind sending nations to hell if they disobey him.
Numbers does not move him.
He created them all without breaking a sweat.

The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.

Psalm 9:17

Which is why he promised that the end will not come until the whole world hears about Jesus to serve as a witness to them.

And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
Matt 24:14

Today is the day of salvation. Turn to the Lord today.

Jonra:


I'll pray for you. But your reaction has no commensurate relationship with my post. Whatever your troubles are, there's always help. Don't drown your conscience, you're on the right path. Hope you find peace soon. Again I'll pray for you...

YesNo:


read properly before you quote me next time.

darkchild64:

I am an African and the answer to ur question is simple
The part of the DNA that tells right from wrong is the alpha region of protein in the 6th chain of the codon that codes for the transduction of the ribosomal lacrimal behaviour

darkchild64:

I agree with you,but don't u think that this is the more reason why you should clearly examine what you believe,human beings want a higher authority that would decide what is moral or not and because of that they can be very gullible to accept anything,now assuming I am right and the bible I not a divine idea but work of iron age men do you know what that means,that means that you Christians are following the idea of that iron age men to be morality, I don't have a problem with the idea of a more intelligent being deciding what morality would be,but we have to be convinced without any iota of doubt that it is not human idea but a supernatural one,without any doubt I am convinced that the bible is strictly the idea of iron age men

baby124:

Jonra:
God bless you brother

darkchild64:

So in essence you are saying that there are people who would go to heaven without hearing or believing in Jesus

Yes or No

wizod:
remember we're under the control of a supreme being{almighty GOD, ELOHIM} who created us. He has the power to kill and make alive. He only knows how to suffer the spirit that makes man a living being. Thanks alot.

Hakeem12:
lol, I guess we are all going to hell. Nothing in christianity is original, from the cross symbol to the halo worn by saints which was borrowed from ancient Egyptian worship. Christianity is filled with examples of sun worship.


December 25th does not celebrate your Christ, according to your comical book he was born in March, yet he's celebrated in December. December 25th is the ancient pagan holiday of Sol invictus- the unconquered sun. Do your research, and ask your pretentious pastors. That holiday coincides with the winter solstice. it's that wonderful time of the year when the sun returns and the days start getting longer.

Christianity in conquering religions often adopt existing holidays to make conversions less shocking. It is called transmutation. Do you guys even read anything safe from your holy books? That process helps people acclimatize to their new faith. Worshippers keep the same holy dates, pray in the same sacred locations, use a similar symbology and simply substitute a different God.


Christianity did not only borrow from sun worship, the ritual of christian canonization is taken from the ancient "god making" ritual of Euphemerus. The practise of god eating, that is, Holy communion was borrowed from the Aztecs. Even the concepts of Christ dying for your sins is definitely not extensively christian, the self sacrifice of a young man to absolve the sins of his people appears in the ancient earliest traditions of the Quetzalcoatl.


you might argue that something in christainity is original though. That christianity does not represent its god with symbols of hawk, sungod or as an Aztec. it always shows God as an ancient Old man with white beard.

however, when the early xtrian converts abandoned their former deities-pagan gods, Roman gods Greek, sun god, Mathriac or whatever. They asked their church what their new Christian god looked like. wisely, the church chose the most feared, powerful and familiar face in all of recorded history. An old man with a white flowing beard. I hope [b]Zeus[/b]ooks familiar.

Very little in any organized faith is original, Religions are not born from scratch. They grow from one another. Modern religion is a collage, an assimilated historical record of Man's quest to understand the divine.

Many atheist you see here were in one religion or the other, but because they were rational, they refused to be gullibe like your faiths will have you. You come here and condemn people when they don't subscribe to your idea of worship. My dad is a Muslim, my mum a Christian. both tried to bring me up in their faiths. I attended Arabic school. studied the quran, and can speak fluent Arabic. I even went to a Catholic secondary school as my mum insisted. But deep down, I knew only one of these faiths had to be right. That led to my search for answers, the more I searched, the more l lost faith in both religions cos both condemn pagan gods and yet borrow a lot from their worship. When you. guys start using your brains, start asking questions and decide to find explanations for things you don't understand, rather than ascribing it to the supernatural, then. no one will dupe you in the name of religion.


I know I'm going to die someday. and when I do, I'm just going to be another contribution to the earth, to the trees, and to nature. so while I'm still here, my achievements, the people im able to help, the people I love, and the people I touch in one way or another is enough for me to be content with as I go.

What do you guys think? Hopefullandlord, Hahn, dalaman, mujtahida, hakeem4, Joseph 1013, capslocked, dalaman, hardmirror, johnydon 22

Hakeem12:
lol, I guess we are all going to hell. Nothing in christianity is original, from the cross symbol to the halo worn by saints which was borrowed from ancient Egyptian worship. Christianity is filled with examples of sun worship.


December 25th does not celebrate your Christ, according to your comical book he was born in March, yet he's celebrated in December. December 25th is the ancient pagan holiday of Sol invictus- the unconquered sun. Do your research, and ask your pretentious pastors. That holiday coincides with the winter solstice. it's that wonderful time of the year when the sun returns and the days start getting longer.

Christianity in conquering religions often adopt existing holidays to make conversions less shocking. It is called transmutation. Do you guys even read anything safe from your holy books? That process helps people acclimatize to their new faith. Worshippers keep the same holy dates, pray in the same sacred locations, use a similar symbology and simply substitute a different God.


Christianity did not only borrow from sun worship, the ritual of christian canonization is taken from the ancient "god making" ritual of Euphemerus. The practise of god eating, that is, Holy communion was borrowed from the Aztecs. Even the concepts of Christ dying for your sins is definitely not extensively christian, the self sacrifice of a young man to absolve the sins of his people appears in the ancient earliest traditions of the Quetzalcoatl.


you might argue that something in christainity is original though. That christianity does not represent its god with symbols of hawk, sungod or as an Aztec. it always shows God as an ancient Old man with white beard.

however, when the early xtrian converts abandoned their former deities-pagan gods, Roman gods Greek, sun god, Mathriac or whatever. They asked their church what their new Christian god looked like. wisely, the church chose the most feared, powerful and familiar face in all of recorded history. An old man with a white flowing beard. I hope [b]Zeus[/b]ooks familiar.

Very little in any organized faith is original, Religions are not born from scratch. They grow from one another. Modern religion is a collage, an assimilated historical record of Man's quest to understand the divine.

Many atheist you see here were in one religion or the other, but because they were rational, they refused to be gullibe like your faiths will have you. You come here and condemn people when they don't subscribe to your idea of worship. My dad is a Muslim, my mum a Christian. both tried to bring me up in their faiths. I attended Arabic school. studied the quran, and can speak fluent Arabic. I even went to a Catholic secondary school as my mum insisted. But deep down, I knew only one of these faiths had to be right. That led to my search for answers, the more I searched, the more l lost faith in both religions cos both condemn pagan gods and yet borrow a lot from their worship. When you. guys start using your brains, start asking questions and decide to find explanations for things you don't understand, rather than ascribing it to the supernatural, then. no one will dupe you in the name of religion.


I know I'm going to die someday. and when I do, I'm just going to be another contribution to the earth, to the trees, and to nature. so while I'm still here, my achievements, the people im able to help, the people I love, and the people I touch in one way or another is enough for me to be content with as I go.

What do you guys think? Hopefullandlord, Hahn, dalaman, mujtahida, hakeem4, Joseph 1013, capslocked, dalaman, hardmirror, johnydon 22

bivanJohnaliuz:
nothing na . . D way animals died without making heaven nor hell is dsame tin dat gonna happen 2 our souls na.