IamAnderson:

have you done your jamb registration?

Better still do you need money for jamb registration......dm me lemme help you

Starboytwo:

And why so much training with dogs... I thought you'd just get one and feed milk till they grow or something, what I'm reading here is like taking care of a baby...

Proverbs 22:6 "Train up a child the way he should go, And when he's old he will not depart from it"
Same thing applies to pets.
Just cause its an "animal" doesn't mean you should treat/relate with it as such.
Training helps to correct, compose and construct the behaviour of your pet
Basically, removing any unwanted habits and putting in the habits you desire. More like the input and the ouput technique.
You know everydog has got its bad habit(s), so its how well you manage it from the start that'll show in the latter days.
Cheers! anyways

agboedeh:
thanks,its good to know that our argument educated some people.having a dog is more than just feeding it.U need to dedicate ur time and effort into training .The type of training depends on d breed.I currently own a local dog but am I preparing to devote 15 years into making them a standard breed.I am studying d behaviour of my dog, doing my research online ,seeking advise from other experienced breeders cos I see a lot of potential in my dog.

Bro we all had that dream for local dogs, until reality hits us, the local breed are extreme mutts, any attempt to bring a foreign breed would taint dem more, ur 15 years may become longer. Let me guess, dis is ur first or second year of ur project, I will keep tab in 5 years time lets see if u still have dis vision

And that is how you guys completely derailed this wonderful thread, to the extent of discussing local breeds and mutts WTF

OtyandTheFangs:

Proverbs 22:6 "Train up a child the way he should go, And when he's old he will not depart from it"
Same thing applies to pets.
Just cause its an "animal" doesn't mean you should treat/relate with it as such.
Training helps to correct, compose and construct the behaviour of your pet
Basically, removing any unwanted habits and putting in the habits you desire. More like the input and the ouput technique.
You know everydog has got its bad habit(s), so its how well you manage it from the start that'll show in the latter days.
Cheers! anyways

OK now I'm kinda interested... 2 questions please... Do dogs get spoilt, like a spoilt brat..., 2- someone made mention of local dogs... Can they reach the same level or almost the same with the foreign breeds if they are subjected to the same training(eg smartness, agility, attack etc....

Why cuz in my former work place an event center the local dog there have access to dope foods like big chunk of meat almost on a daily basis... The dog is very big and cute... So if they are subjected to the same training will they adapt?...

Starboytwo:
OK now I'm kinda interested... 2 questions please... Do dogs get spoilt, like a spoilt brat?

Lol! Of course they get spoilt. "Over pamper" them and that's what you get
They start competing with you for the "Alpha role'. I mean, who doesn't wanna be the Alpha of the "pack"?
p.s. In this conversation, I want you to think dogs like you'll think a fellow human being. One who can think, share emotions and communicate. That's the best way you'll easily understand and relate with them well.
Now I'm not saying you neccessarily need to treat them as Humans in whole, but just understand that they too act as Humans.
Like Jay Z says, "I'm like a dog, I don't speak but I understand"
So if you think tha that pretty canine in your house kanor communicate or understand, I hope you now know better.
So in short, moderation is erything. Excess pampering(this doesn't equate to love tho) or abusal of the dog will lead to a stubborn dog or a spirit-broken dog respectively

Starboytwo:
2- someone made mention of local dogs... Can they reach the same level or almost the same with the foreign breeds if they are subjected to the same training(eg smartness, agility, attack etc

Ok, this is where traits and temperaments is of essence, it draws a margin.
Not all dogs have the mental ability(brain power) to undergo some training sessions.
Thats why there are variations among the dog breeds, each mutated for a specific pur
According to Desmond Morris, there are 6 main groups of breeds officially recognized
The gun-dogs
The hounds
The working dogs
The terriers
The toy dogs
and the utility dogs.
So each of this groups have different mental capacity

So if you wondering what the mental power of a typical Nigeria stray dog is then do the research work. Get a first hand experience by breeding(no mixing please, if you really want your research to be pure) or ask anybody specialising on them. Like agboedeh of NL, doing a good job by studying n working on them.

Eveezy:

Bro we all had that dream for local dogs, until reality hits us, the local breed are extreme mutts, any attempt to bring a foreign breed would taint dem more, ur 15 years may become longer. Let me guess, dis is ur first or second year of ur project, I will keep tab in 5 years time lets see if u still have dis vision

You are a perfect example of a typical Nigerian whose mindset needs to be reformed
You praise the foreign but yet neglect/reject your country's!
.
Do you know how the GSD of today began?
You ever heard of Max Von Stephanitz?
The animal lover(like agboedeh) saw a dog called Horand at a show and saw the possibilities and beauty in that dog. Horand was of an unknown breed of that time. So I'll leave you to research the timeline of the GSD
.
I've been told about a friend who exports this our "ekuke" to SA and sells them for 150K, no stress.
Shey yunno its this Ekuke that were once the renowned AIYELABOLA. The farm dogs of the old-days
Beauty in every breed!

Eveezy:

Bro we all had that dream for local dogs, until reality hits us, the local breed are extreme mutts, any attempt to bring a foreign breed would taint dem more, ur 15 years may become longer. Let me guess, dis is ur first or second year of ur project, I will keep tab in 5 years time lets see if u still have dis vision

U are very right.They are mutts.
I originally bot jack just for d love I had for dogs,but this dog kept amazing me more and more.His temperament was unique.I wanted to get another gsd after d death of the last one but decided to hold back and focus on my jack.Now I am looking for another local dog DAT has d same temperament with jack and exactly d same structure and fur colour(I have to keep on buying and studying each and every dog until I find wat I am looking for).By Gods grace I find another I'll continue from there.
I want to create a specific type of hunting dog that can also be used as a family dog and guard dog.They might not be as big as our beloved exotic breeds but they will be special and more respected.
I know it might take more than 15years but I am capable and ready.I av always loved dogs since I could remember and I think DAT alone will keep me going.

agboedeh:
U are very right.They are mutts.
I originally bot jack just for d love I had for dogs,but this dog kept amazing me more and more.His temperament was unique.I wanted to get another gsd after d death of the last one but decided to hold back and focus on my jack.Now I am looking for another local dog DAT has d same temperament with jack and exactly d same structure and fur colour(I have to keep on buying and studying each and every dog until I find wat I am looking for).By Gods grace I find another I'll continue from there.
I want to create a specific type of hunting dog that can also be used as a family dog and guard dog.They might not be as big as our beloved exotic breeds but they will be special and more respected.
I know it might take more than 15years but I am capable and ready.I av always loved dogs since I could remember and I think DAT alone will keep me going.

I hope you succeed.That your thread made me realise that local breeds could be used as guard dogs.As for welzyj2 comparing Pitt to kangal let me remind you that the Americans hyping Pitts don't know about dogs like kangal and co.So to them Pitt is like a god.When they came to Europe and basically fed their Pitts to kangals and co(the big dogs literally tore them limb from limb,a particular cauc ripped the Pitts jaw off its skull) they refused to accept and started glorifying the Pitts few victories( most times the big dogs got tired and ran away or just lay down after decimating the pitts) Later they started bringing modified 'pittbulls' some as heavy as 100lbs and still they still lost some fights.So you that has seen the big dogs and yet still hyping Pitts is just wrong.

It is very funny and strange how many people became an expert on this thread but very sad when I realized many of you cannot create a meaningful thread of your own because you have nothing to say. You don't even have good dogs to boast with but you jumped to the chance to flex your muscle on someone else thread instead of you to watch and learn.

Most of you have not seen a real CO or Kangal in your life, yet, you are talking as if you leave with one.

Nobody can become a medical doctor with information online only, you need to pass through the process of schooling, training and practicing to become one. It is the same as a dog expert, you need to walk the talk and not just be a social media expert.

agboedeh:
U are very right.They are mutts.
I originally bot jack just for d love I had for dogs,but this dog kept amazing me more and more.His temperament was unique.I wanted to get another gsd after d death of the last one but decided to hold back and focus on my jack.Now I am looking for another local dog DAT has d same temperament with jack and exactly d same structure and fur colour(I have to keep on buying and studying each and every dog until I find wat I am looking for).By Gods grace I find another I'll continue from there.
I want to create a specific type of hunting dog that can also be used as a family dog and guard dog.They might not be as big as our beloved exotic breeds but they will be special and more respected.
I know it might take more than 15years but I am capable and ready.I av always loved dogs since I could remember and I think DAT alone will keep me going.

Hmmm......open a thread to keep everyone updated.
If you have one kindly post the link.

abbeg:
As for welzyj2 comparing Pitt to kangal let me remind you that the Americans hyping Pitts don't know about dogs like kangal and co.So to them Pitt is like a god.When they came to Europe and basically fed their Pitts to kangals and co(the big dogs literally tore them limb from limb,a particular cauc ripped the Pitts jaw off its skull) they refused to accept and started glorifying the Pitts few victories( most times the big dogs got tired and ran away or just lay down after decimating the pitts) Later they started bringing modified 'pittbulls' some as heavy as 100lbs and still they still lost some fights.So you that has seen the big dogs and yet still hyping Pitts is just wrong.

"....tore them limb by limb....ripped the pits jaw" abeg small small oo like it's that easy abeg oo.

There are certain things dogmen do before rolling their hounds, if they don't meet up to a certain level they don't roll them. Just like every breed there are curs and in APBT we cull the curs and don't mate neither roll.

Do you know how long some dog's can roll??.....would have explained some more things but it would amount to nothing since you nt interested in the breed.

If you know what Gameness is you won't want to roll any breed with APBT

oluomoadebayo:
It is very funny and strange how many people became an expert on this thread but very sad when I realized many of you cannot create a meaningful thread of your own because you have nothing to say. You don't even have good dogs to boast with but you jumped to the chance to flex your muscle on someone else thread instead of you to watch and learn.

Most of you have not seen a real CO or Kangal in your life, yet, you are talking as if you leave with one.

Nobody can become a medical doctor with information online only, you need to pass through the process of schooling, training and practicing to become one. It is the same as a dog expert, you need to walk the talk and not just be a social media expert.

To be a dogman goes far beyond Google knowledge.

oluomoadebayo:
It is very funny and strange how many people became an expert on this thread but very sad when I realized many of you cannot create a meaningful thread of your own because you have nothing to say. You don't even have good dogs to boast with but you jumped to the chance to flex your muscle on someone else thread instead of you to watch and learn.

Most of you have not seen a real CO or Kangal in your life, yet, you are talking as if you leave with one.

Nobody can become a medical doctor with information online only, you need to pass through the process of schooling, training and practicing to become one. It is the same as a dog expert, you need to walk the talk and not just be a social media expert.

do you need to have a cheetah to know it's the fastest land animal?
do you need to be a doctor to know malaria is caused by plasmodium?
some things are just facts that experience isn't needed to confirm
I have visited several forums and websites of dog breeders far more experienced than you are and they all say one thing then you're out here telling us you have "experience" because you train malinois?
I presently have videos in my phone showing kangals and COs doing things that you tell us they can't to back up all my claims and the only thing you have is the "experience" card you're so eager to play every time
you only have experience with one breed(which is the one you favour BTW) so stop flaunting your inadequate experience
anybody with logical reasoning and the internet not clouded with childish bigotry will be able to see what we are saying is very true
I have watched videos of it happening, I have a brain to understand what's going on, people all around the world have verified it as a fact and yet the only thing you have is "experience"
you are not the only breeder/trainer in the world, you are not even the best so you have no right to say the googled facts and videos are false
I get you love your dogs but facts are facts...you and all the people supporting you still haven't given any proof of the things you're saying
meanwhile, I have posted the specs and pics of the dogs I'm arguing about and I also have numerous videos of the things happening (which I'm not able to post) and yet your greatest counter argument is " you have more experience "
I have videos of COs and kangals flipping grown men,countering agitation sticks,being beaten with rods and overpowering the intruder with the rod without backing down even after you said they have lost their glory over the years.
I even have videos of COs jumping fences to get to intruders and taking on multiple attackers at once without backing down missing their target and turning back to attack immediately again, all things you made it look like they couldn't do
until you can share valid proof to back up your claim, stop telling us about experience or gameness
either you give any other valid point of argument that hasn't already been successfully dismissed as stipulation by me or someone else or you accept defeat, stop all this experience bullcrap

welzyj2:



To be a dogman goes far beyond Google knowledge.

How was the google knowledge gotten?
Do you think people just stayed and guessed facts to post?
Mehn gtfo

Maybe I should try and screenshot some of my videos

IamAnderson:

How was the google knowledge gotten?
Do you think people just stayed and guessed facts to post?
Mehn gtfo

Google will only give you faint ideas.....
First hand experience is needed to know any dog breed...


It's obvious you are jus a lazy boy who just enjoys trolling.....

welzyj2:




Google will only give you faint ideas.....
First hand experience is needed to know any dog breed...


It's obvious you are jus a lazy boy who just enjoys trolling.....

Lol I'm the lazy boy who enjoys trolling?
You still haven't said any valid thing throughout the length of this argument I don't even know what you're still doing here, it's obvious you can't keep up with the big boys lmao
Out here ranting about "gameness "
I dare you to disprove any thing I've said so far or just stfu
You're just here dick riding olumoadebayo while he does all the work
Say anything other than "gameness" I dare you

First of all, these screenshots are from videos I got from a European website.... I couldn't get clearer versions of the videos I downloaded ( some where even recorded with CCTV)
But the thing is that they're clear enough for you to tell what's going on
Secondly, the scenes where all staged to see the reaction of the dogs
The first pic and second pics are for those of you that said COs can't guard people well.......she was walking her dog when a man ran towards them like he was trying to attack her
The third and fourth pics show a Tibetan mastiff protecting that old lady that was attacked by a man with a rod without backing down even after being hit multiple times
More are still coming

IamAnderson:

Lol I'm the lazy boy who enjoys trolling?
You still haven't said any valid thing throughout the length of this argument I don't even know what you're still doing here, it's obvious you can't keep up with the big boys lmao
Out here ranting about "gameness "
I dare you to disprove any thing I've said so far or just stfu
You're just here dick riding olumoadebayo while he does all the work
Say anything other than "gameness" I dare you

Lol....big boy sorry ooo

The reason I joined the conversation was when you were spitting trash about a breed I cherish -APBT and my comments have been directed towards the breed alone.....

Dumb skull you can't separate Gameness from APBT....thats the whole essence of the breed

Any trained dog can do what we have all said on this thread but the point is which can do it better.

Funny enough you don't have one and you talking abt them....boy kindly get out of my sight

The first pic is of a pitbull terrier challenging a CO
Second pic is of the CO dominating the pitt..... The fight lasted for mere seconds before the CO won
Third is of a CO defending the place from an armed man

welzyj2:


Hmmm......open a thread to keep everyone updated.
If you have one kindly post the link.

yea ,I have a thread talking about my lovely local dog jack. I'll be posting my progress with him there.

https://www.nairaland.com/4826897/okay....just-felt-like-posting-pictures

First and second pics are of a CO attacking two armed intruders who invaded it's family's property while the family watches from the background

More pics of COs facing multiple and armed intruders without backing down

experience goes a long way ,it takes sacrifice,loss and also gain to get to that level.


most here don't know how to read a pedigree chat or understand what DNA profiling is (to ascertain everything in it's ancestry) or understand what an ovulating strip does.

the cost of buying equipment for training , getting quality stuff for our pets, nutritional facts (how foods are absorbed not just proteins alone as @imfortress earlier said) , watching every poop the dog leaves and studying it , understanding a particular behavior and referencing it to a particular ancestor. imagine keeping a particular offspring after 4 generations you still notice a white patch that you dislike taking into consideration after it was LINE BRED and you finally think this potential puppy would be outcrossed, it's back to the drawing board.


even if a local dog is kept, each parent has to be discarded to keep a viable offspring and it takes sooooooooooooo much effort.


how many of us fully use our dogs to it's full potential not talking about videos ( hands on experience), taking her to learn how to swim, guarding a farm or it's animals, even helping doing chores, even overseas peeps who use dogs fully aren't in the city most are in suburbs or rural areas (counties)


it goes beyond google.

Who says caucasian cannot guard, my argument is about effectiveness. Thank God you have your new thread now, direct people to it while you are raising your dog. I have an idea of every ringsport in the world but you won't see me saying anything when the real sportsmen or women are talking. All I do is to listen and learn because I don't have the privilege to be where they are. Your knowledge with Google is different to reality and if you have anything else to proof at this junction, open a thread and invite me or if you think you can't draw the same traffic like this, I can open it for you while you take over it

For those of you that painted COs as "slow" and "lazy"
They may not be as agile as some breeds but they are not slow or lazy
This is one jumping over a fence to get an intruder

oluomoadebayo:
Who says caucasian cannot guard, my argument is about effectiveness. Thank God you have your new thread now, direct people to it while you are raising your dog. I have an idea of every ringsport in the world but you won't see me saying anything when the real sportsmen or women are talking. All I do is to listen and learn because I don't have the privilege to be where they are. Your knowledge with Google is different to reality and if you have anything else to proof at this junction, open a thread and invite me or if you think you can't draw the same traffic like this, I can open it for you while you take over it

sir see the reason why I said a show in Nigeria is necessary? when they bring in their own dogs and they see dog performing and theirs can't bear the sight of crowd n chase people out of fear.

think about it

welzyj2:



Lol....big boy sorry ooo

The reason I joined the conversation was when you were spitting trash about a breed I cherish -APBT and my comments have been directed towards the breed alone.....

Dumb skull you can't separate Gameness from APBT....thats the whole essence of the breed

Any trained dog can do what we have all said on this thread but the point is which can do it better.

Funny enough you don't have one and you talking abt them....boy kindly get out of my sight

I may not have one, but many people have and thanks to the internet, I can follow their progress.
Like I said, disprove me if you can

jeff1607:
experience goes a long way ,it takes sacrifice,loss and also gain to get to that level.


most here don't know how to read a pedigree chat or understand what DNA profiling is (to ascertain everything in it's ancestry) or understand what an ovulating strip does.

the cost of buying equipment for training , getting quality stuff for our pets, nutritional facts (how foods are absorbed not just proteins alone as @imfortress earlier said) , watching every poop the dog leaves and studying it , understanding a particular behavior and referencing it to a particular ancestor. imagine keeping a particular offspring after 4 generations you still notice a white patch that you dislike taking into consideration after it was LINE BRED and you finally think this potential puppy would be outcrossed, it's back to the drawing board.


even if a local dog is kept, each parent has to be discarded to keep a viable offspring and it takes sooooooooooooo much effort.


how many of us fully use our dogs to it's full potential not talking about videos ( hands on experience), taking her to learn how to swim, guarding a farm or it's animals, even helping doing chores, even overseas peeps who use dogs fully aren't in the city most are in suburbs or rural areas (counties)


it goes beyond google.

I know it takes experience to raise a dog properly but that's not my issue
My problem is the way they bastardized big dogs like they can't do anything and used the term "experience" to defend their claims
The annoying thing is that they haven't even trained other big dogs like how they have trained their own dogs yet they claim to have "dog experience"

oluomoadebayo:
Who says caucasian cannot guard, my argument is about effectiveness. Thank God you have your new thread now, direct people to it while you are raising your dog. I have an idea of every ringsport in the world but you won't see me saying anything when the real sportsmen or women are talking. All I do is to listen and learn because I don't have the privilege to be where they are. Your knowledge with Google is different to reality and if you have anything else to proof at this junction, open a thread and invite me or if you think you can't draw the same traffic like this, I can open it for you while you take over it

See what I said earlier?
You are now focusing on my untrained impure CO to make it look like you're right about your claims
We both know im not a dog trainer so why not focus on the dogs of other professional dog trainers like the ones I posted let's see if you were right about the things you said

IamAnderson:

do you need to have a cheetah to know it's the fastest land animal?
do you need to be a doctor to know malaria is caused by plasmodium?
some things are just facts that experience isn't needed to confirm
I have visited several forums and websites of dog breeders far more experienced than you are and they all say one thing then you're out here telling us you have "experience" because you train malinois?
I presently have videos in my phone showing kangals and COs doing things that you tell us they can't to back up all my claims and the only thing you have is the "experience" card you're so eager to play every time
you only have experience with one breed(which is the one you favour BTW) so stop flaunting your inadequate experience
anybody with logical reasoning and the internet not clouded with childish bigotry will be able to see what we are saying is very true
I have watched videos of it happening, I have a brain to understand what's going on, people all around the world have verified it as a fact and yet the only thing you have is "experience"
you are not the only breeder/trainer in the world, you are not even the best so you have no right to say the googled facts and videos are false
I get you love your dogs but facts are facts...you and all the people supporting you still haven't given any proof of the things you're saying
meanwhile, I have posted the specs and pics of the dogs I'm arguing about and I also have numerous videos of the things happening (which I'm not able to post) and yet your greatest counter argument is " you have more experience "
I have videos of COs and kangals flipping grown men,countering agitation sticks,being beaten with rods and overpowering the intruder with the rod without backing down even after you said they have lost their glory over the years.
I even have videos of COs jumping fences to get to intruders and taking on multiple attackers at once without backing down missing their target and turning back to attack immediately again, all things you made it look like they couldn't do
until you can share valid proof to back up your claim, stop telling us about experience or gameness
either you give any other valid point of argument that hasn't already been successfully dismissed as stipulation by me or someone else or you accept defeat, stop all this experience bullcrap

I have never claimed to be the best but I'm properly working to improve myself in anything I'm doing. I don't even think I'm better than you but the fact remains that I'm the owner of this thread and I'm a positive advocate of a Malinois breed. I have a practical experience that you don't have. Talk is cheap and people like you won't learn because you always think you know better.

The beauty of social media is everyone has an opinion but it is rude when you take it beyond that and start attacking people with a different opinion to yours. Buhari also thought there was nothing called subsidy before becoming a president. You can always create a counter thread to call out this one if you think I'm wrong but your ego won't let you be. I will stop responding to you at this point but you need to learn if you want to grow in this field. IRE OOOOOO!