bloodofthelamb:
What is true about God is also true about Jesus Christ. They are both of the same nature and form(John1:1).

I believe the Father is only greater than the Son just in role or rank.
What do you guys think?

blood of the Lamb I hope you alright long time, I am solite3

You are right Jesus and the father has one nature but different roles or rank.
In role or rank the father is greater as he is the authority of God.

Michael547:

So is Jesus now equal to the Almighty God?

yes Jesus is the Almighty God.

Kobojunkie:
The writer of the Gospel did not leave the meaning up for interpretation.
Clearly, the writer aims to make clear that the Word is equally eternal as the Father — the eternal Life of the Father is the same as the Son's and the Son's ranking never diminished in all of that period.

The question asked on this thread is in what way is the Father greater than the Son?

The Word had a beginning
The Ancient of days has none
The Word is described as the beginning of God's creation... The beginning of his way... God's son

Aemmyjah:
■ The Word had a beginning. The Ancient of days has none. The Word is described as the beginning of God's creation... The beginning of his way... God's son

The Word had a beginning and He is not ancient meaning the Word lied when He said He is the Eternal Life and the Truth of the Father, right?

The Word began when the World began and not before.

Steep:
yes Jesus is the Almighty God.

So what does the statement 'in the beginning was the word' mean in John 1:1?

Kobojunkie:
The Word had a beginning and He is not ancient meaning the Word lied when He said He is the Eternal Life and the Truth of the Father, right?

The Word began when the World began and not before.

So what does the statement 'in the beginning was the word' mean in John 1:1? Explain na.

Kobojunkie:
The Word had a beginning and He is not ancient meaning the Word lied when He said He is the Eternal Life and the Truth of the Father, right?

The Word began when the World began and not before.

Who is Proverbs 8:23-31 referring to?

By means of christ, we will have everlasting life. Those refer to the roles he play to mankind

Aemmyjah:
Who is Proverbs 8:23-31 referring to? By means of christ, we will have everlasting life. Those refer to the roles he play to mankind

So Jesus Christ had a beginning and He is not ancient meaning Jesus Christ lied when He said He is the Eternal Life and the Truth of the Father, right? Jesus Christ's began when the World began and not before.

Kobojunkie:
So Jesus Christ had a beginning and He is not ancient meaning Jesus Christ lied when He said He is the Eternal Life and the Truth of the Father, right? Jesus Christ's began when the World began and not before.

The world and Jesus, who was there?
Read that Proverbs again. This time with understanding

Eternal life is a prophetic title for Jesus by Isaiah which is yet to be fulfilled just as we have prince of peace, etc

Jesus himself said he's the beginning of God's creation

Michael547:
■ So what does the statement 'in the beginning was the word' mean in John 1:1? Explain na.

You mean you need it to have a special meaning different from the one given by the author of the book?

1 Before the world began, the Word was there. The Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was there with God in the beginning.
3 Everything was made through him, and nothing was made without him.
4 In him there was life, and that life was a light for the people of the world.
5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not defeated it. - John 1 vs 1 - 5

Kobojunkie:
So Jesus Christ had a beginning and He is not ancient meaning Jesus Christ lied when He said He is the Eternal Life and the Truth of the Father, right? Jesus Christ's began when the World began and not before.

So what does the statement 'in the beginning was the word' mean in John 1:1? Explain na. Or is the bible contradictory?

God's firstborn
The beginning of God's creation
God's only begotten
God's son
Jehovah produced me as the beginning of his way

Aemmyjah:
■ The world and Jesus, who was there? Read that Proverbs again. This time with understanding
Eternal life is a prophetic title for Jesus by Isaiah which is yet to be fulfilled just as we have prince of peace, etc. Jesus himself said he's the beginning of God's creation

So, rather than the meaning that John, the author, intended you assert a different meaning to his words in order to come up with these ideas of yours, right?

1 Before the world began, the Word was there. The Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was there with God in the beginning.
3 Everything was made through him, and nothing was made without him.
4 In him there was life, and that life was a light for the people of the world.
5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not defeated it. - John 1 vs 1 - 5

By Prophetic title, you mean that not only is Jesus Christ not an eternal being but His status as the Eternal Life of God has yet to begin?

Michael547:
■ So what does the statement 'in the beginning was the word' mean in John 1:1? Explain na. Or is the bible contradictory?

What the author of the book of John meant is made clear in His Gospel.

1 Before the world began, the Word was there. The Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was there with God in the beginning.
3 Everything was made through him, and nothing was made without him.
4 In him there was life, and that life was a light for the people of the world.
5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not defeated it. - John 1 vs 1 - 5

You seem to want to assert a different meaning from that intended by the author, right?

Kobojunkie:
So, rather than the meaning that John, the author, intended you assert a different meaning to his words in order to come up with these ideas of yours, right? By Prophetic title, you mean that not only is Jesus Christ not an eternal being but His status as the Eternal Life of God has yet to begin?

Study Bible
Revelation 1:17, 18
When I saw him, I fell as dead at his feet. And he laid his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last,18and the living one, and I became dead, but look! I am living forever and ever, and I have the keys of death and of the Grave

Jesus himself said Jehovah produced him as the beginning of his way

The Word had a beginning
The angels had a beginning
The universe has a beginning
Only one person is addressed as the source of life and Ancient of Days

Kobojunkie:
What the author of the book of John meant is made clear in His Gospel. You seem to want to assert a different meaning from that intended by the author, right?

Oga answer the question according to the picture below.
So what does the statement 'in the beginning was the word' mean in John 1:1? Explain na. Or is the bible contradictory?

Kobojunkie:
So, rather than the meaning that John, the author, intended you assert a different meaning to his words in order to come up with these ideas of yours, right? By Prophetic title, you mean that not only is Jesus Christ not an eternal being but His status as the Eternal Life of God has yet to begin?

Revelation 3:14
“To the angel of the congregation in La·o·di·ceʹa write: These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God:

Explain

Aemmyjah:
Study Bible Revelation 1:17, 18 When I saw him, I fell as dead at his feet. And he laid his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last,18and the living one, and I became dead, but look! I am living forever and ever, and I have the keys of death and of the Grave
Jesus himself said Jehovah produced him as the beginning of his way The Word had a beginning The angels had a beginning The universe has a beginning Only one person is addressed as the source of life and Ancient of Days

The passage you quoted says nothing of what you claim

17 When I saw him, I fell down at his feet like a dead man. He put his right hand on me and said, “Don’t be afraid! I am the First and the Last.
18 I am the one who lives. I was dead, but look, I am alive forever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.
19 So write what you see. Write the things that happen now and the things that will happen later.
20 Here is the hidden meaning of the seven stars that you saw in my right hand and the seven golden lampstands that you saw: The seven lampstands are the seven churches. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches. - Revelations 1 vs 17 - 20

So, what do you gain from this random ramblings?

Aemmyjah:
Revelation 3:14
“To the angel of the congregation in La·o·di·ceʹa write: These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God: Explain

Again...

14 “Write this to the angel of the church in Laodicea: “Here is a message from the Amen,[c] the faithful and true witness, the ruler of all that God has made. - Revelations 3 vs 14

Why do you gain by asserting a meaning different from that made clear by the author of the book?

Michael547:
■ Oga answer the question according to the picture below.
So what does the statement 'in the beginning was the word' mean in John 1:1? Explain na. Or is the bible contradictory?

The statement means exactly what John, the author, intended for his words to mean to me. So, this other meaning you need it to mean is yours, not mine.

1 Before the world began, the Word was there. The Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was there with God in the beginning.
3 Everything was made through him, and nothing was made without him.
4 In him there was life, and that life was a light for the people of the world.
5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not defeated it. - John 1 vs 1 - 5

Clearly, the author insists that the Word was(past tense) already there before the beginning. So, any other meaning is foreign to the intentions of the author.

Kobojunkie:
The statement means exactly what John, the author, intended for his words to mean to me. So, this other meaning you need it to mean is yours, not mine. Clearly, the author insists that the Word was(past tense) already there before the beginning. So, any other meaning is foreign to the intentions of the author.

Are you quoting from a translation of a Bible, if yes what translation is it?

Kobojunkie:
The statement means exactly what John, the author, intended for his words to mean to me. So, this other meaning you need it to mean is yours, not mine. Clearly, the author insists that the Word was(past tense) already there before the beginning. So, any other meaning is foreign to the intentions of the author.

And how can we explain verse 2 of this your translation? Which 'in the beginning' is that verse also referring to?

Kobojunkie:
The statement means exactly what John, the author, intended for his words to mean to me. So, this other meaning you need it to mean is yours, not mine. Clearly, the author insists that the Word was(past tense) already there before the beginning. So, any other meaning is foreign to the intentions of the author.

the word was WITH God, then later the word that was WITH God became god.

Michael547:
■ Are you quoting from a translation of a Bible, if yes what translation is it?

This isn't a translation issue but a simple Language comprehension problem. Jesus Christ is the Word out of God's own mouth. Certainly, God was not one a mute, was He?

Kobojunkie:
This isn't a translation issue but a simple Language comprehension problem. Jesus Christ is the Word out of God's own mouth. Certainly, God was not one a mute, was He?

also notice difference between the GOD, theon and the god theos.

Michael547:
■ And how can we explain verse 2 of this your translation? Which 'in the beginning' is that verse also referring to?

The intention of the writer is made pretty clear even in those other verses.

Kobojunkie:
This isn't a translation issue but a simple Language comprehension problem. Jesus Christ is the Word out of God's own mouth. Certainly, God was not one a mute, was He?

Alright....in verse 2, 'in what beginning' was the word with God?

Kobojunkie:
The intention of the writer is made pretty clear even in those other verses.

What does the beginning in verse 2 refer to? Since you said the beginning in verse 1 refers to the world.

Michael547:
Alright....in verse 2, 'in what beginning' was the word with God?

You mean verse 2 does not follow the same beginning explained in verse 1?

Kobojunkie:
You mean verse 2 does not follow the same beginning explained in verse 1?

you are using kjv, use another VERSION. everything was made through him, not made by him.

Kobojunkie:
You mean verse 2 does not follow the same beginning explained in verse 1?

So is verse two implying that before the beginning of the world, the word and God were not together and that they became together in the beginning of the world? If no, what 'beginning' is verse 2 referring to?

Michael547:
■ So is verse two implying that before the beginning of the world, the word and God were not together and that they became together in the beginning of the world? If no, what 'beginning' is verse 2 referring to?

Implying ke?

1 Before the world began, the Word was there. The Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was there with God in the beginning.
3 Everything was made through him, and nothing was made without him.
4 In him there was life, and that life was a light for the people of the world.
5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not defeated it. - John 1 vs 1 - 5

Basically, God was not mute — unable to speak —before the world began.