Kobojunkie:
Implying ke?
Basically, God was not mute before the world began.

the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
He was there with God in the beginning.

Kobojunkie:
Implying ke?
Basically, God was not mute — unable to speak —before the world began.

So what beginning is verse two referring to oga?
Mind you, verse 2 uses the word 'he' which shows that we are talking about a personage here.
So what beginning was he with God?

Michael547:
■ So what beginning is verse two referring to oga?

The writer makes clear that the reference to the beginning is the same in both verses, but you seem to disagree with him. So?

Kobojunkie:
The writer makes clear that the reference to the beginning is the same in both verses, but you seem to disagree with him. So?

Lol.....so is the writer saying that the 'he' who was with God, started being with God from the beginning of the world or before the beginning of the world? Which one?

Michael547:
Lol.....so is the writer saying that the 'he' who was with God, started being with God from the beginning of the world or before the beginning of the world? Which one?

Where in either verse do you get this "started" from since both verses instead suggest that the Word was?

Kobojunkie:
Where in either verse do you get this "started" from since both verses instead suggest that the Word was?

The word was toward which God?

Kobojunkie:
Where in either verse do you get this "started" from since both verses instead suggest that the Word was?

Oga, if the word (also 'he' in verse 2), was there already before the 'beginning' of the 'world' in verse 1, what 'beginning' in verse 2 was 'he' with God? Is it the 'beginning of the world in verse 1, or another beginning?

Michael547:
■ Oga, if the word (also 'he' in verse 2), was there already before the 'beginning' of the 'world' in verse 1, what 'beginning' in verse 2 was 'he' with God? Is it the 'beginning of the world in verse 1, or another beginning?

This here reads of gobbledegook to me since the two verses reference the same beginning as revealed in the Greek extract attached. The verses also speak of the Word being there BEFORE the referenced beginning in both verses — the obvious use of the past tense WAS makes this abundantly clear. So are you saying the tale is different from that which was written by John, the supposed author?

Kobojunkie:
This here reads of gobbledegook to me since the two verses reference the same beginning as revealed in the Greek extract attached. The verses also speak of the Word being there BEFORE the referenced beginning in both verses — the obvious use of the past tense WAS makes this abundantly clear. So are you saying the tale is different from that which was written by John, the supposed author?

Good....so when was 'he' with God according to verse 2?
Are we to conclude that 'he was with God in the beginning' in verse 2 refers to the beginning of the world?

Bunch of confused fellows trying to interpret lies put together by whites

Michael547:
■ Good....so when was 'he' with God according to verse 2? Are we to conclude that 'he was with God in the beginning' in verse 2 refers to the beginning of the world?

You mean the author's assertion is not clear enough?

1 Before the world began, the Word was there. The Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was there with God in the beginning.
3 Everything was made through him, and nothing was made without him.
4 In him there was life, and that life was a light for the people of the world.
5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not defeated it. - John 1 vs 1 - 5

Basically, God was not mute — unable to speak —before the world began.

Kobojunkie:
Basically, God was not mute — unable to speak —before the world began.

to speak, dont you need air?

Kobojunkie:
You mean the author's assertion is not clear enough? Basically, God was not mute — unable to speak —before the world began.

I'm asking you oga.
So when was 'he' with God according to verse 2? Are we to conclude that 'he was with God in the beginning' in verse 2 refers to the beginning of the world? Yes or no.

Michael547:
■ I'm asking you oga. So when was 'he' with God according to verse 2? Are we to conclude that 'he was with God in the beginning' in verse 2 refers to the beginning of the world? Yes or no.

So, it seems you don't agree with John's assertions that not only was the Word there with God in the beginning — when the world was made — but also that the Word was also with God even before the beginning— when the world was made —, is that it?

1 Before the world began, the Word was there. The Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was there with God in the beginning.
3 Everything was made through him, and nothing was made without him.
4 In him there was life, and that life was a light for the people of the world.
5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not defeated it. - John 1 vs 1 - 5

Kobojunkie:
You don't agree with John's assertions made in this book he wrote?

Oga I agree with John.
The 'beginning' in verse 2 where 'he was with God' cannot refer to the 'beginning of the world'. Because, according to verse 1, the word existed before the 'beginning of the world'.
So your interpretation of the 'beginning' in verse 1 is false.
Unless we are to agree that the 'Word was not with God' before the 'beginning of the world'.
What does the 'ORIGINAL BEGINNING' in your screenshot refer to?

Kobojunkie:
The passage you quoted says nothing of what you claim
So, what do you gain from this random ramblings?

Scriptures clearly called Jesus the beginning of God's creation
You say it's a lie

Scriptures says, in the beginning was the Word. You twist it to say before the world began, the Word was there
The Word has a beginning

Michael547:
■ Oga I agree with John.
The 'beginning' in verse 2 where 'he was with God' cannot refer to the 'beginning of the world'. Because, according to verse 1, the word existed before the 'beginning of the world'. So your interpretation of the 'beginning' in verse 1 is false. Unless we are to agree that the 'Word was not with God' before the 'beginning of the world'.
What does the 'ORIGINAL BEGINNING' in your screenshot refer to?

My interpretation? Interesting!

▣ Did John say that the Word was there BEFORE the beginning?
▣ Did John say that the Word was there with God AT the beginning?

Kobojunkie:
Implying ke?
Basically, God was not mute — unable to speak —before the world began.

Wetin dis one de yan
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Kobojunkie:
My interpretation? Interesting!

▣ Did John say that the Word was there BEFORE the beginning?
▣ Did John say that the Word was there with God AT the beginning?

Was John writing about the world or the Word 'in the beginning'
He's not comparing or referencing the world but only one person, the Word

Kobojunkie:
My interpretation? Interesting!

▣ Did John say that the Word was there BEFORE the beginning?
▣ Did John say that the Word was there with God AT the beginning?

1)So what does 'in the 'beginning' was the word' in verse 1 mean?
2)what does 'the word was with God in the 'beginning' in verse 2 mean too?
What does the word 'beginning' refer to in those verses? Are they the same 'beginnings' or different?

Aemmyjah:


Scriptures clearly called Jesus the beginning of God's creation
You say it's a lie

Scriptures says, in the beginning was the Word. You twist it to say before the world began, the Word was there
The Word has a beginning

😁😁😁.....no mind the guy....verse 2 don choke am😁😁

Michael547:
1)So what does 'in the 'beginning' was the word' mean? 2)what does 'the word was with God in the 'beginning' mean too? What does the word 'beginning' refer to in those verses?

OK! This is a language comprehension issue that will not be resolved here.

Michael547:

So is Jesus now equal to the Almighty God?

Jesus is not equal to the Almighty God, He is The Almighty God.

Michael547:

So what does the statement 'in the beginning was the word' mean in John 1:1?

It means In the beginning of creation the word was already present meaning he was not part of creation

Kobojunkie:
OK! This is a language comprehension issue that will not be resolved here.

Oga there is no language comprehension issue.
Na you dey dodge.
Verse 1 clearly does not refers to the 'beginning of the world' like you said earlier. It refers to the beginning which goes beyond that. That is why your screenshot uses the term 'ORIGINAL BEGINNING'.
Jesus simply was in the ORIGINAL BEGINNING which existed before the beginning of the world. He has been with God since that ORIGINAL BEGINNING according to verse 2. Which also your screenshot can confirm.

Steep:
It means In the beginning of creation the word was already present meaning he was not part of creation

So what beginning does verse 2 refer to?

Emusan:


Jesus is not equal to the Almighty God, He is The Almighty God.

That means that Jesus must be JEHOVAH in the old testament right?

Michael547:

So what beginning does verse 2 refer to?

Verse 1 already stated clearly that The Word was BEFORE BEGINNING which means He existed before beginning.

Michael547:

That means that Jesus must be JEHOVAH in the old testament right?

Jesus was Yahweh in the Old Testament

clefstone:
i I like the way you have put it. You see, one reason why it's difficult for many to comprehend the Father, Son and Spirit association is that they view it from a physical perspective forgetting that God is not a physical entity as we know. God only became physical as Yeshua (a lower state than his divine form) who is called son.

But that view with you affirm as the one you hold directly contradicts the Truth of God as declared in the Gospels by Jesus Christ Himself. So, where do these ideas you hold you which violate that stated in Scripture by Jesus Christ Himself come from?

Michael547:

So what beginning does verse 2 refer to?

Did you see the article "The" attached to "beginning" it means there is only one beginning which is the period of time when God created things.
The word was already present at the time he goes beyond creation.

Emusan:


Verse 1 already stated clearly that The Word was BEFORE BEGINNING which means He existed before beginning.

Verse 2 says the word was with God 'in the beginning' what does that mean? Does that mean that it was during the beginning of creation that the Word was with God?