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Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by Amujale(m): 10:29pm On Jan 25, 2019
The oldest fossils known to humans are found on the African continent.

In the western world they acknowledge this in what is commonly chastised as the “Out of Africa” theory.

Everyone in the world acknowledge the fact that all humans came out of Africa except many of us Africans.
Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by Amujale(m): 10:50pm On Jan 25, 2019
There are two sets of history running in against each other,

(a)True history

(b)Manufactured history

History is suppose to be a true account of events.

However, manufactured history is unknowingly sometimes taken to be true history.

African history isn’t being studied by us Africans.

The African history that are taught in schools today is a false representation.

Africans should be in a position to claim and prove beyond reasonable doubt the fact that African history and world history both possess the same starting point.

Since it’s widely accepted that African history predates Arabian, European or Persian intervention. I choose to dedicate my life’s work to uncovering our true history.

The history available to the general public are the accounts of foreigners that by definition are meant to be disregarded; as they are bound to have vested interest.

The basis for the argument used to write up westernised version of African history lies on the hear say, written accounts, and personal scruples of foreigners and (or) anti-African individuals.

It’s a universal right to reject a foreigner’s version of history.

History tells us that foreigners cannot be trusted and even the Eurocentric writers that wrote pro - African literature can only really be seen reliable in a non - African way; foreigners have never showed to be capable enough to write her history.
Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by Amujale(m): 11:04pm On Jan 25, 2019
budaatum:

First, what do you mean by "super continent" ? Is it anything like the "then world" of frosbel2?

The evidence suggests the continents of Europe, Asia and Australasia were populated when Egypt was building its pyramids. There were people in China, Arabia and India too

And Egypt never ruled the world! No nation has ever ruled the world. In fact, no nation (or people, if you may) has ever ruled Africa, or even Europe! I just wonder where you get your history from.

When you say they never ruled the world, I can make assumption instantly you haven’t been to Egypt. These are not my words; they themselves tell you that in their text and depictions.

There are two major civilisation of interest within kemet, the classical and the earlier one. It has been argued that the earlier kemet inhabitants built the popular pyramids while the other pyramids probably built by the later civilisation.

When ancient Egyptians built the pyramids (e.g Giza pyramid complex) there was no people living outside of the then Africa.

According to early maps, Africa used to be larger some say due to tectonic abilities, shifts e.t.c land end up in other parts of the globe.

Generally, earth scientist agree on a conservative map containing Africa and parts of the Middle East.
Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by Amujale(m): 11:22pm On Jan 25, 2019
The true chronology of human history has it that everyone starts in Africa and later migrate to all the four corners of the globe.

Americas - Out of Africa
Asia - Out of Africa
Australasia - Out of Africa
Europe - Out of Africa
Polar regions - Out of Africa

Conclusion, every single ethnic group on our planet are a product of the first generation of Africans.

Any other theory or hypothesis in living memory does not stand up to these simple truths.
Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by Amujale(m): 12:02am On Jan 26, 2019
Africans need to look inwards for OUR solution to the world’s problems.

I have been studying everything about Africa for quite sometime now. History was an intentional choice for me, because if you intend to study on sometime it’s normal to want to know the history right?

Exactly, and I have never looked back since.

In my findings, I can tell you that the Europeans have not been teaching us the truth about our history.
Instead the evidence suggests that the version of history taught to us and peddled by western philosophy is both incorrect and counter-productive.
Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by Amujale(m): 12:59am On Jan 26, 2019
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Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by budaatum: 1:29am On Jan 26, 2019
Amujale:


In my findings, I can tell you that the Europeans have not been teaching us the truth about our history.
That's no reason to fabricate lies and call it history. And perhaps you'd have to explain to me what you mean by "ruled".

Early humans migrated out of Africa about 2 million years ago and entered Europe between 1.5 million and 1 million years ago. Humans arrived in Australia probably within the past 60,000 years and to the Americas within the past 30,000 years. Egypt's first dynasty dates back to around 3150 BC with the political unification of Upper and Lower Egypt under the first pharaoh of the First Dynasty, Narmer. Essentially, Egypt only began ruling Egypt less than 5160 years ago. But lets even assume Egypt dates back to 20,000BC, for arguments sake. It still never ruled the whole of Africa at any point in eithers history. So when exactly did it rule Europe, Asia, China, the Americas and Australia which were all populated by then? Did Egypt send emissaries to the occupied world you claim it ruled to dictate laws and collect tribute from those in these far off worlds which by the transport available at the time, they'd likely never get to?
Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by budaatum: 1:37am On Jan 26, 2019
Heres a link to some history you might want to dispute.

A History of ‘Kemet’ – Ancient Egypt
Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by Amujale(m): 2:37am On Jan 26, 2019
budaatum:

That's no reason to fabricate lies and call it history. And perhaps you'd have to explain to me what you mean by "ruled".

Early humans migrated out of Africa about 2 million years ago and entered Europe between 1.5 million and 1 million years ago. Humans arrived in Australia probably within the past 60,000 years and to the Americas within the past 30,000 years. Egypt's first dynasty dates back to around 3150 BC with the political unification of Upper and Lower Egypt under the first pharaoh of the First Dynasty, Narmer. Essentially, Egypt only began ruling Egypt less than 5160 years ago. But lets even assume Egypt dates back to 20,000BC, for arguments sake. It still never ruled the whole of Africa at any point in eithers history. So when exactly did it rule Europe, Asia, China, the Americas and Australia which were all populated by then? Did Egypt send emissaries to the occupied world you claim it ruled to dictate laws and collect tribute from those in these far off worlds which by the transport available at the time, they'd likely never get to?

Who built the pyramids complex at Giza?
Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by Amujale(m): 2:42am On Jan 26, 2019
budaatum:
Heres a link to some history you might want to dispute.

A History of ‘Kemet’ – Ancient Egypt

What is your point here? What am I suppose to be disputing and Why?
Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by budaatum: 2:53am On Jan 26, 2019
Amujale:


Who built the pyramids complex at Giza?
Based on a mark in an interior chamber naming the work gang and a reference to the fourth dynasty Egyptian Pharaoh Khufu, Egyptologists believe that the pyramid was built as a tomb over a 10- to 20-year period concluding around 2560 BC.
Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by Amujale(m): 2:57am On Jan 26, 2019
budaatum:
Heres a link to some history you might want to dispute.

A History of ‘Kemet’ – Ancient Egypt

Was this meant as your contribution to OP’s question?
Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by Amujale(m): 3:15am On Jan 26, 2019
budaatum:

Based on a mark in an interior chamber naming the work gang and a reference to the fourth dynasty Egyptian Pharaoh Khufu, Egyptologists believe that the pyramid was built as a tomb over a 10- to 20-year period concluding around 2560 BC.

This is wrong, the pyramid complex at Giza is older than once thought, I am not going to pretend to be a specialist in Egyptology but I have been to visit the ancient ruins a few times and have come back to question Egyptologist about various subjects including ones relating to the Giza plateau.

I see you are more interested in Egyptology than the bigger question the OP’s asking here? And I don’t want to turn this topic into an Egyptology lesson.

According to my sources, nobody can say for certain who built the original structures on the Giza plateau, in all seriousness it was probably an unknown ancient that nobody has heard of, the latest discussion is that the earlier Kemet civilisation built the Giza complex as carbon dating
places the early structures on their foundation more than 20,000 years old oppose to 4,000 years once thought.
Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by Amujale(m): 3:23am On Jan 26, 2019
When considering dates and the correct chronology of important events in human history, serious minded Africans and academics must re-visit their readings and derive their own conclusion for themselves.

It is known to be common amongst foreigners the practise of distortion or intentional misrepresentation of the correct readings to the dates and ages of African artefacts and structures so to as to fit their own vision on how the world is suppose to look like.
Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by Amujale(m): 3:44am On Jan 26, 2019
budaatum:

Based on a mark in an interior chamber naming the work gang and a reference to the fourth dynasty Egyptian Pharaoh Khufu, Egyptologists believe that the pyramid was built as a tomb over a 10- to 20-year period concluding around 2560 BC.

Here is a typical example of misinformation.

As far as I am aware, there is no evidence to support the assertion that the Great Pyramid Khufu being used as a tomb.

The reason the ancient Egyptians built the Great Pyramid of Khufu is shrouded in mystery and fog; although there are many interesting theories out there, i.e the power plant theory (wireless electricity); the flood story (it was built to help save the ancient from a huge flood); a time-piece (a gigantic clock) or maybe a mathematicians device.

Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by Amujale(m): 3:48am On Jan 26, 2019
Africans need to look inwards for OUR solution to the world’s problems.

I have been studying everything about Africa for quite sometime now. History was an intentional choice for me, because if you intend to study on sometime it’s normal to want to know the history right?

Exactly, and I have never looked back since.

In my findings, I can tell you that the Europeans have not been teaching us the truth about our history.
Instead the evidence suggests that the version of history taught to us and peddled by western philosophy is both incorrect and counter-productive.
Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by Goel: 3:59am On Jan 26, 2019
Amujale:
From where do YOU get your facts?

I regard myself an authority on African history; most of my adult life is dedicated to uncovering these truths.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/09/080905-pangaea-suction.html
Modern homo sapiens came into existence 500k years ago. The last supercontinent disintegrated more than 100 million years ago. And look what you wrote?
Amujale:
According to present day historical facts, when ancient Egypt that built the pyramids ruled the world (super continent),.... All the early civilisations of the world all occurred within the super continent.......... At the heights of their civilisation, ancient Egypt (Kemet) rule over all of the super continent
Amujale:
The line from which all my FACTS are derived are from present day African scholars.
Quote a few of them saying what you said?
Amujale:
For instance, it is a universal fact that humanity began in Africa.

According to history (real history that is) there was a point in time when the only humans that lived on our planet had residence in Africa.
Never denied that but you are badly mixing ancient human history with biological & geographical prehistory.
Amujale:
These are not mere assertions, they are proven facts.
Radio isotope dating tells us that first homo sapiens were from Africa.

Bur founded first modern civilizations in Asia, that's of Mesopotamia and Indus Valley Civilization, people who founded following civilizations of middle east, Iran and India and later travelled to Europe, North East Asia and Americas through Russia during ice age. Egypt was founded along in Africa.

There is no citation from any scholar or any proof that Egypt ever expanded its frontiers much beyond Africa. More important, supercontinent had ceased to exist back then.

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Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by Amujale(m): 4:09am On Jan 26, 2019
Goel:

Bur founded first modern civilizations in Asia, that's of Mesopotamia and Indus Valley Civilization, people who founded following civilizations of middle east, Iran and India and later travelled to Europe, North East Asia and Americas through Russia during ice age. Egypt was founded along in Africa.

There is no citation from any scholar or any proof that Egypt ever expanded its frontiers much beyond Africa. More important, supercontinent had ceased to exist back then.

This is the type of thought process that needs to be challenged here. Moreover, ancient Egypt is merely a part of African history.

Humanity began in Africa and its here the early civilisations are born. Civilisation does not appear in a vacuum. It’s simple logic.

All major civilisations are as a result of the influence from earlier ones.
Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by budaatum: 4:28am On Jan 26, 2019
Hopefully, you read the entire thread and know that the subject in op was addressed in detail. Op made a spurious claim about some glorious past Africa which he could not provide any evidence for. You have made the same claim and expect it to be accepted because you've "been to Egypt" and seen the pyramids and claim you saw things that archaeologists who spent decades studying them missed. Yet you provide no evidence for you claim. Are you asking me to take your word for it and believe you?

I agree the data on the pyramids is not exact and any given dates for when they were built are guesstimates though not as far out as you are claiming. The earliest Pyramid is that of Djoser, which was built c. 2630–2610 BC during the Third Dynasty. It's very likely that pyramid was built on a foundation that preexisted, but there is no evidence that it goes back as far as you wish to believe. But if you do have evidence that it was built much earlier as you seem to think, then I strongly suggest you provide it, first, to educate us all (just saying it won't cut mustard, mind), and second, so you get the accolade for figuring out what others, according to you, got wrong. But even if they were built 20,000 years ago, that still does not prove Egypt ruled Africa, or the world, as you claim. And to be honest, and I think I've said this before, religion is not Africa's problem. What is the problem is the sort of religion we practise that encourages spurious claims to be made and believed by some without any evidence or proper scrutiny of the available evidence.

Your claim for Africa ruling the world is as silly as the claim that God created the heaven and earth and Adam and Eve in six days and rested on the seventh. And unfortunately, such wrong beliefs about the past promote a distorted view about that past. In the words of George Santayana-1905 "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." Those who don't know of the past are much worse off. If one gets the past wrong, one is more likely to get the future wrong since they are not even aware of how they got to the present. Such ignorance is what the oppressors use to exploit people, and can be seen in Nigeria as religion has replaced well researched history.

Please read the development of the thread (if you haven't already) so you know where we've come from on the topic. While the op got some things wrong, it still has proven to be a very informative thread.

Amujale:


This is wrong, the pyramid complex at Giza is older than once thought, I am not going to pretend to be a specialist in Egyptology but I have been to visit the ancient ruins a few times and have come back to question Egyptologist about various subjects including ones relating to the Giza plateau.

I see you are more interested in Egyptology than the bigger question the OP’s asking here? And I don’t want to turn this topic into an Egyptology lesson.

According to my sources, nobody can say for certain who built the original structures on the Giza plateau, in all seriousness it was probably an unknown ancient that nobody has heard of, the latest discussion is that the earlier Kemet civilisation built the Giza complex as carbon dating
dates the early structures on their foundation more than 20,000 years ago oppose to 4,000 years once thought.

Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by budaatum: 4:29am On Jan 26, 2019
Amujale:


This is the type of thought process that needs to be challenged here. Moreover, ancient Egypt is merely a part of African history.

Humanity began in Africa and its here the early civilisations are born. Civilisation does not appear in a vacuum. It’s simple logic.

All major civilisations are as a result of the influence from earlier ones.
"Began", does not mean "ruled"!
Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by Amujale(m): 4:32am On Jan 26, 2019
Goel:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/09/080905-pangaea-suction.html
Modern homo sapiens came into existence 500k years ago. The last supercontinent disintegrated more than 100 million years ago. And look what you wrote?

Maybe because I haven’t made clear enough it’s easy for you to misconstrue my reference to super continent, in purely historical terms (the early map of Africa, where that version of Africa is not only a continent but super-continent) with the geological version of super continent as you seem to have done.
Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by Amujale(m): 4:35am On Jan 26, 2019
budaatum:

"Began", does not mean "ruled"!

I see you can’t get round the fact that Africa rules the world. Don’t take it up with me. You should take it up with the ancient Egyptians.
Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by budaatum: 4:54am On Jan 26, 2019
Amujale:


I see you can’t get round the fact that Africa rules the world. Don’t take it up with me. You should take it up with the ancient Egyptians.
First, it's not a fact that Africa ruled the world, it's simply your belief. No one ever ruled the whole of Africa, not to talk of the whole world! And the ancient Egyptians are not the ones on here peddling misinformation that you can't seem to provide any evidence in support.

Unfortunately, it is exactly the making of claims that are baseless that is the problem of Africa and one the more developed world, which much less than 500 years ago was in the state that Africa is in, solved by being a tad more scientific in their approach.

But I'm not taking it up with you. There are other readers who might just appreciate evidence based facts as opposed to one persons unsubstantiated made up beliefs.
Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by Amujale(m): 4:56am On Jan 26, 2019
budaatum:
Hopefully, you read the entire thread and know that the subject in op was addressed in detail. Op made a spurious claim about some glorious past Africa which he could not provide any evidence for. You have made the same claim and expect it to be accepted because you've "been to Egypt" and seen the pyramids and claim you saw things that archaeologists who spent decades studying them missed. Yet you provide no evidence for you claim. Are you asking me to take your word for it and believe you?

I agree the data on the pyramids is not exact and any given dates for when they were built are guesstimates though not as far out as you are claiming. The earliest Pyramid is that of Djoser, which was built c. 2630–2610 BC during the Third Dynasty. It's very likely that pyramid was built on a foundation that preexisted, but there is no evidence that it goes back as far as you wish to believe. But if you do have evidence that it was built much earlier as you seem to think, then I strongly suggest you provide it, first, to educate us all (just saying it won't cut mustard, mind), and second, so you get the accolade for figuring out what others, according to you, got wrong. But even if they were built 20,000 years ago, that still does not prove Egypt ruled Africa, or the world, as you claim. And to be honest, and I think I've said this before, religion is not Africa's problem. What is the problem is the sort of religion we practise that encourages spurious claims to be made and believed by some without any evidence or proper scrutiny of the available evidence.

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Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by budaatum: 5:10am On Jan 26, 2019
Amujale:

African historians spend the best part of their lives researching and writing African history.
What you've posted here is the equivalent of posting Genesis 1 as evidence that God done it. I strongly advise you go do some more research.
Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by Amujale(m): 7:21am On Jan 26, 2019
The global world is broken and needs fixing. The only thing on our planet that can come close enough to finding a cure for the entire global world’s problems is the spirituality according to an African.

That is to say, the narative has changed. There’s need for us to stop looking outwards for nothingingness. All the answers of the world’s problems are in our dormain one way or the other.

You and I are the answer, collectively, it is our kind and territory that holds all the answers to the worlds problems.

There is no people(s) outside of Africa (Diaspora) that really wishes Africans any good, all they are really after are our minerals.

The best thing about our Great continent is widely considered her trickiest among her many great qualities; natural resources.

Our Great continent is the oldest and as a result, the richest on the planet.

Let’s re-write history for the sake of the coming generation. The ones we keep passing-the-buck to, they are going to need a good start, or a concept to develop.

Here’s is what’s proposed:

The African Dream.

What is the African dream?

The African dream is the narrative that stands on the assumption that the rest of the world is crazed with lust for materialistic things and has neglected what really matters, our relationship with (the African) God(s).

Furthermore, it’s us Africans that will eventually have to come to the rescue of the rest of the world. A pan - African progressive narrative that anywhere in the world Africans can relate to, work towards and rally around.


The African Dream
Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by Goel: 11:27am On Jan 26, 2019
Amujale:


This is the type of thought process that needs to be challenged here. Moreover, ancient Egypt is merely a part of African history.

Humanity began in Africa and its here the early civilisations are born. Civilisation does not appear in a vacuum. It’s simple logic.

All major civilisations are as a result of the influence from earlier ones.
First:
Mesopotamia, Indus Valley Civilization and Egypt came into existence at very close instances of time, less than 200 years of gap. As humans could not migrate & habitate far away there Near East and India in such short period, they aren't influenced by each other for sure. Their cultures & languages too are quite distinct. It's just up with Mesopotamians who were your neighbours.

They might have some resemblance in some aspects of behaviour & architecture because they might have belonged to same tribe at some period of time. Otherwise, Indian and East Asian literature has nothing common with Abrahamic one. So is Egypt.

Second:
"This type of thought process needs to be changed."
Means what? Humans originated in Africa and habitated rest of world. Africans habitated world, not African kings expanded their empire.
Humans had left Africa to establish civilizations in Asia before Egypt came into existence.

Ultimately, everything we can get is contradicting that Egypt ever ruled world or mankind. At least with free thought process.
Amujale:
Maybe because I haven’t made clear enough it’s easy for you to misconstrue my reference to super continent, in purely historical terms (the early map of Africa, where that version of Africa is not only a continent but super-continent) with the geological version of super continent as you seem to have done.
That's utter faulty, Africa isn't a supercontinent even if you add middle east to it.
Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by Amujale(m): 2:12pm On Jan 26, 2019
Goel:


Ultimately, everything we can get is contradicting that Egypt ever ruled world or mankind. At least with free thought process.

That's utter faulty, Africa isn't a supercontinent even if you add middle east to it.

Amujale:


I see you can’t get round the fact that Africa rules the world. Don’t take it up with me. You should take it up with the ancient Egyptians.


You continue to misconstrue what has been said with anti- African retric. What I share with you here are not objective like all your retric seems to indicate.

Are you an African?

If you are not then, you should go and watch the sun rise or something else equally interesting; leave the grown- ups (Africans in general) to investigate and re-write our own history.
Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by Amujale(m): 2:26pm On Jan 26, 2019
Amujale:


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Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by Amujale(m): 2:39pm On Jan 26, 2019
The African Dream.

What is the African dream?

The African dream is the narrative that stands on the assumption that the rest of the world is crazed with lust for materialistic things and has neglected what really matters, our relationship with (the African) God(s).

Furthermore, it’s us Africans that will eventually have to come to the rescue of the rest of the world.

A pan - African progressive narrative; derived by Africans, for the sole purpose of revitalising the global narrative; one that the entire African community can relate to, work towards and rally around.
Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by Goel: 3:11pm On Jan 26, 2019
Amujale:
You continue to misconstrue what has been said with anti- African retric.
It most necessarily doesn't. The African dream should be about bringing stability & democracy in Africa and liberalizing economy for growth.
Spirituality will prevail itself as trust in government, optimism and nationalism rises.
Amujale:
Are you an African?
Globe/Asia/India
Amujale:
If you are not then, you should go and watch the sun rise or something else equally interesting; leave the grown- ups (Africans in general)
LOl, I don't wanna be racist. Median age of Africa is lowest in world and your statement of calling yourself grown up is even kiddish.
Amujale:
to investigate and re-write our own history.
Fine, why I'm wasting to someone who roached for personal judgement instead of arguments?

Haven't given a source for this "investigation" and writing made up history & murdered geography here in name of autonomy.

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