kkins25:
so the advance tech in india na weytin? regression?

HellVictorinho:
I just stated a fact then I asked a question

kkins25:


yeah many indians indeed, when did you become mr indiana jones.. so the advance tech in india na weytin? regression?

if they were as developed as the europeans they wouldn't have needed to worry about a dwindling society. if the europeans hadn't, some other nation would. its better europe than arabia..

even isreal has played her own part in the spread of war. if the jews could recover from the holocaust, then what the fück is stopping Nigeria?

frosbel2:


Actually it is relevant. Again , the crux of my argument is that these myths and superstitions have beclouded our judgement, affected progress in Africa and made it difficult to make advancements in science, politics, economics and technology.

We focus so much on 'heaven' and 'hell' and care not one iota for what will happen to our environment in the future and the well being of our children when we leave this earth. That is backward thinking caused by religions indoctrination.

budaatum:


Someone answered a relevant question on quora

Consider the facts please.

budaatum:

Which is ignorant. As is the desire to abandon everything we've experienced and learnt since colonialism, to pick a point, and desire to return to pre-colonialism!!

Mr, I am restraining myself immensely from calling you dishonest. Ignorance is definitely what holds Nigeria back. Ignorance is after all the lack of knowledge, or the substitution of facts with myths and lies and inaccuracies, and what bigger lie is there than believing all this massive universe was created by one single god in six days, or the focus on some afterlife and abandonment of the here and now today? But blaming the colonialists for the state our nation is in is equally, if not more, ignorant! And until we understand that we create our own existence, heaven or hell, our wages will continue to be short lifes and agonising death!

frosbel2:


Colonialists still play a huge part in their former colonies - its just so obvious that I am surprised at you astonishment.

http://www.theafricancourier.de/opinion-analysis/neo-colonialism-in-africa-the-illusion-of-freedom/

budaatum:


Astonishment what? Did I not tell you how the entire health system in UK is run with resources stolen from Africa? Did I not say how they will continue to exploit us until we do like China and wise up?

This is from your article! Isn't it what I've been saying all along?

The answer is education. Africa is the worst educated continent on the planet. According to UNECO, only about 50% of all Africans have ever visited a school. About half of all Africans can’t even write or read and most of the Africans who did go to school only learned elementary educational skills.

But blaming the colonialists for the state our nation is in is equally, if not more, ignorant!

HellVictorinho:

Yes,India could be more promising in the economy but I wonder how Nigeria has become so terrible that every non-African country now seems like paradise.Anyways, check out my post in a topic I created on this section titled Hell's Statements

frosbel2:


You then said ;

budaatum:
Besides, we are not a French colony. We are a former British colony!

frosbel2:


That was example, the British approach is more subtle.

SadMemories:
kumuyi is not the cause of you not feeling unfulfilled in life.

frosbel2:


That was an example, the British approach is more subtle.

hermesprogidy:
The root cause is simple. Black countries are blessed with visionless and lazy leaders. The China you are all hyping was a very different place just 30 years ago, same with India, even UAE. It's all about leadership.

frosbel2:


Leaders who are mostly religious fanatics or in cahoots with imams and pastors. They work in tandem to keep the people in ignorance and exploit them, while they live ostentatious lives from mostly stolen loot or tithes and offerings.

OpenYourEyes1:
Find time to watch this awesome video:

FROM BABYLON TO AMERICA: THE PROPHECY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pQvM9ZY41k

budaatum:

I was going to say, no, not the leaders. And this is where your op against religion, or religious leaders who tell us what to think, comes in.

One of the threads I linked to asked if we should continue to accept the lies our parents accepted. My answer is an emphatic, no, we should, and would not. And not only would we not accept it, but we will educate our children not to accept those lies either, and even our parents too, which no doubt takes a lot on our part, but we must at least try. See here what I did to my parents.

A lot of the religious people here are so afraid of us that they treat this site like it is porn. They wouldn't dare let their kids see them here least those kids get influenced by our audacious attitude towards their gods and become freely minded like us. But their "resistance is futile", as the Borg would say. Just you observe as they abandon their religious programming and become like us! They one by one, lower their shields and surrender their wits, because "We will add their biological and technological distinctiveness to our own" and there's nothing they can do to stop us. Their minds will adapt to service our illustrious nation. And not as religious drones, as the Borg and our religious leaders et al turn them into. But into free minded people of power who have gorged on the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil and know that they themselves are the god, knowing the difference between that which is right and proper and that which is not.

It is we, the people, who need to decide who we are led by. And we are working towards building those people of power who will resist the stupidity the religious peddle which only benefits the so called leaders who's only aim is to cunningly exploit us.

I assure you, we are doing very well indeed already with thread after thread on here. The day cometh soon. Despair not!

budaatum:
Here is another example of the exploitation you mention, frosbel2. It will continue to happen until we Africans wise up!

budaatum:

I was going to say, no, not the leaders. And this is where your op against religion, or religious leaders who tell us what to think, comes in.

One of the threads I linked to asked if we should continue to accept the lies our parents accepted. My answer is an emphatic, no, we should, and would not. And not only would we not accept it, but we will educate our children not to accept those lies either, and even our parents too, which no doubt takes a lot on our part, but we must at least try. See here what I did to my parents.

A lot of the religious people here are so afraid of us that they treat this site like it is porn. They wouldn't dare let their kids see them here least those kids get influenced by our audacious attitude towards their gods and become freely minded like us. But their "resistance is futile", as the Borg would say. Just you observe as they abandon their religious programming and become like us! They one by one, lower their shields and surrender their wits, because "We will add their biological and technological distinctiveness to our own" and there's nothing they can do to stop us. Their minds will adapt to service our illustrious nation. And not as religious drones, as the Borg and our religious leaders et al turn them into. But into free minded people of power who have gorged on the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil and know that they themselves are the god, knowing the difference between that which is right and proper and that which is not.

It is we, the people, who need to decide who we are led by. And we are working towards building those people of power who will resist the stupidity the religious peddle which only benefits the so called leaders who's only aim is to cunningly exploit us.

I assure you, we are doing very well indeed already with thread after thread on here. The day cometh soon. Despair not!

frosbel2:

Really really terrible. And what do the African leaders do ? Nothing. Why ? Because the people have been made docile and submissive. This wasn't always how the black man was.

frosbel2:
So we need to wake up the masses to hold their government accountable and start to make big changes from a grass roots level. However if we persist with religious and tribal division, there will never be one unifying force of people , able to take on these thieves and especially the racist Chinese.

frosbel2:


Leaders who are mostly religious fanatics or in cahoots with imams and pastors. They work in tandem to keep the people in ignorance and exploit them, while they live ostentatious lives from mostly stolen loot or tithes and offerings.

budaatum:

Slavery in Africa
http://autocww.colorado.edu/~toldy3/E64ContentFiles/AfricanHistory/SlaveryInAfrica.html

Slavery in Africa - Wiki

On Human Sacrifice in West Africa - wiki
Human sacrifice was common in West African states up to and during the 19th century. The Annual customs of Dahomey was the most notorious example, but sacrifices were carried out all along the West African coast and further inland. Sacrifices were particularly common after the death of a King or Queen, and there are many recorded cases of hundreds or even thousands of slaves being sacrificed at such events. Sacrifices were particularly common in Dahomey, in the Benin Empire, in what is now Ghana, and in the small independent states in what is now southern Nigeria. According to Rudolph Rummel, "Just consider the Grand Custom in Dahomey: When a ruler died, hundreds, sometimes even thousands, of prisoners would be slain. In one of these ceremonies in 1727, as many as 4,000 were reported killed. In addition, Dahomey had an Annual Custom during which 500 prisoners were sacrificed."

In the Ashanti Region of modern-day Ghana, human sacrifice was often combined with capital punishment.

In the northern parts of West Africa, human sacrifice had become rare early as Islam became more established in these areas such as the Hausa States. Human sacrifice was officially banned in the remainder of West African states only by coercion, or in some cases annexation, by either the British or French. An important step was the British coercing the powerful Egbo secret society to oppose human sacrifice in 1850. This society was powerful in a large number of states in what is now south-eastern Nigeria. Nonetheless, human sacrifice continued, normally in secret, until West Africa came under firm colonial control.

The Leopard men were a West African secret society active into the mid-1900s that practised cannibalism. In theory, the ritual cannibalism would strengthen both members of the society as well as their entire tribe. In Tanganyika, the Lion men committed an estimated 200 murders in a single three-month period.

budaatum:

Before the white man arrived, we kept and sold slaves to one another.

Then the Arabs arrived and slave markets arose in lots of Africa where we sold our own people to Arab traders.

And when we sold to the white man in Nigeria and most of West Africa when they arrived, it is we Africans who brought our own people to the coast to sell since the white man could not penetrate into our interiors to get us because a small insect called mosquito and malaria it carried killed them. So, please, what do you mean by "that is not how the black man was"?

Other African rulers took a stand. For instance, in the early 17th century Nzinga Mbandi (c. 1583–1663), queen of Ndongo (modern-day Angola), fought against the Portuguese – part of a century-long campaign of resistance waged by the kingdom against the slave trade. Anti-slavery motives can also be found in the activities of the Christian leader Dona Beatriz Kimpa Vita (1684–1706) in Kongo.

Several major African states took measures to limit and suppress the slave trade, including the kingdoms of Benin and Dahomey. Agaja Trudo, the king of Dahomey (r. 1708–40), banned the slave trade and even went as far as attacking the European forts on the coast. Unfortunately, Agaja Trudo’s successor did not share his view and profited from engaging in the trade.

Several Muslim states in West Africa, including Futa Toro in the Senegal River basin in the late 18th century and, in the early 19th, Futa Jallon in what is now Guinea, were opposed to the trafficking of humans. In Futa Jallon, the religious leader Abd al-Qadir wrote a letter to British slave traders threatening death to anyone who tried to procure slaves in his country.

Many ordinary Africans also took measures to protect themselves from enslavement. Flight was the most obvious method, but there is also evidence that many Africans moved their villages to more inaccessible areas or took other measures to protect them. In his Narrative, Olaudah Equiano mentions some of the defensive measures that were taken in his own village.

It is reported that, when the English slave trader John Hawkins attempted to kidnap people to enslave them in the late 16th century, he was resisted. It is also said that communities of Africans who had fled from and escaped enslavement settled on the Cape Verde and other islands off the west coast of Africa. Other reports tell of coastal residents who refused to load slave ships with supplies and of many escapes from the forts that held enslaved Africans prior to transport across the Atlantic.

http://www.understandingslavery.com/index.php-option=com_content&view=article&id=310_resistance-and-rebellion&catid=125_themes&Itemid=222.html

All our gods accepted human sacrifices so we fought wars and captured people to sacrifice to them.

When our leaders today borrow money from foreigners, they take a huge cut and pocket it then we the people get taxed either directly or indirectly through devaluation of our currency, not given us electricity, roads and proper healthcare and paying us much less than we should be paid, and we still have to pay back the borrowed money which has been pocketed by our so called 'leaders'. That, frosbel2 is modern day slavery and sacrifice of our people, all to satisfy the leaders who have alway satisfied themselves at our expense! So how can you possibly say "that is not how the black man was", when the truth is, "that is exactly how the black man was"? Do you think they are not cunning and crafty enough to re-edit history and religionise you to think there was a mythical past that was much better than it really was? Please do not delude yourself!

The 'African leaders' have never had the interest of the people to heart. All they have ever thought about is their selfish selves, and they have always gotten away with exploiting us the people by ensuring we are ignorant about what they get up to, for as long as we remain ignorant they can amass wealth at our expense, which is exactly what they have done in Kenya. Quite a lot of the money borrowed from China and which the Kenyan people will spend the next eternity paying back is in the pockets of the Kenyan leaders. Same as the proceeds of our privatisation ended up in the pockets of our leaders.

Leaders? We need to wake up and learn to lead ourselves, and we do that by unshackleing ourselves from the chains of ignorance which includes the belief in a glorious mythical past with which we are being enslaved!

vaxx:
Human sacrifice, the ritual manipulation and killing of a human in western Nigeria and co for perceived spiritual purposes, is not clear in its purpose. But we can rule out capital punishment, even though it is a highly ritualised process, because of how it lacks the spiritual dimension of sacrifice. Yet we still can argue that the spectacle of a public execution would fulfill many of the functions a human sacrifice would also supply.

First we need to ask why are any sacrifices made? I have created about three related thread on this. ( You may give it a read)They are simply symbolic acts, and the way every culture perform its sacrifices will reflect quite a lot about it as a society. There has been a lot of work done on animal sacrifice, far more than on human sacrifice, so we should look at that first.

Animal sacrifices are usually a case of an animal being selected to serve as a symbolic mediator between the material and spiritual worlds - usually only domesticated animals are selected as sacrifices, as they are halfway between the “cultural” and “natural” worlds. Even this types of animals valid for selection were also carefully selected based on acceptable and non-acceptable groups. As you can see ogun adherent will prefer dog based on the preconceived notion of dog bravery and strength.

frosbel2:

Speak for your tribe, there was no Human sacrifice in the part of Igbo land that I hail from.

budaatum:

Continue to deceive yourself!

My parents’ home, in Umujieze, Nigeria, stands on a hilly plot that has been in our family for more than a hundred years. Traditionally, the Igbo people bury their dead among the living, and the ideal resting place for a man and his wives is on the premises of their home. My grandfather Erasmus, the first black manager of a Bata shoe factory in Aba, is buried under what is now the visitors’ living room. My grandmother Helen, who helped establish a local church, is buried near the study. My umbilical cord is buried on the grounds, as are those of my four siblings. My eldest brother, Nnamdi, was born while my parents were studying in England, in the early nineteen-seventies; my father, Chukwuma, preserved the dried umbilical cord and, eighteen months later, brought it home to bury it by the front gate. Down the hill, near the river, in an area now overrun by bush, is the grave of my most celebrated ancestor: my great-grandfather Nwaubani Ogogo Oriaku. Nwaubani Ogogo was a slave trader who gained power and wealth by selling other Africans across the Atlantic. “He was a renowned trader,” my father told me proudly. “He dealt in palm produce and human beings.”

Long before Europeans arrived, Igbos enslaved other Igbos as punishment for crimes, for the payment of debts, and as prisoners of war. The practice differed from slavery in the Americas: slaves were permitted to move freely in their communities and to own property, but they were also sometimes sacrificed in religious ceremonies or buried alive with their masters to serve them in the next life.

Read more My Great-Grandfather, the Nigerian Slave-Trader By Adaobi Tricia Nwaubani