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dalaman:
There is something about this deepsight guy. Can't place it but the guy is deep.

His ways of thinking is just amazing.
His moniker is really befitting.

jonbellion:
1.Authorship of the book has been questioned over the centuries, but the prevailing view is that it was written by a man named John of Patmos, a.k.a. John the Theologian, who was neither John the Apostle nor John the Evangelist.The book is traditionally dated to the time of the Roman emperor Domitian and at a time when Christians were being seriously persecuted, and the book is viewed as an allegory of persecution or a call for them to buck up and stay strong
2. It is very likely
3. Not really
According to the christian doctrine we are in the last days so it would supposedly happen any time from now but we just don't know when.
4.I did.
That is the passage talking about the fig tree
5. Is this really what you'd call prophesying

Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch has already become tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near; so, you too, when you see all these things, recognize that He is near, right at the door. Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.“ (Matthew 24: 25-34)

This is what I mean, brothers: the appointed time has grown very short. From now on, let those who have wives live as though they had none, and those who mourn as though they were not mourning, and those who rejoice as though they were not rejoicing, and those who buy as though they had no goods, and those who deal with the world as though they had no dealings with it. For the present form of this world is passing away.” (1 Corinthians 7:27,29-31)

We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed“ (1 Cor. 15:51)

“…the coming of the Lord is near. …the Judge is standing right at the door.” (James 5:8, 9)

Jesus didn’t say “that generation” which would be the normal way of referring to a future generation. He said “this generation”. Besides through a plain common sense reading of the text, we know he meant the people alive while he was speaking because he said that some of his listeners and the high priest at his trial would still be alive to see his return to Earth. Didn't you see he told the high priest .Only a mind interested in maintaining the illusion of faith could twist and mangle the plain words of the Bible the way Christians have in an attempt to make it credible... The job of apologetics. an honest person would have no choice but to admit that Jesus’ prophecy of the end of days has failed to come true.
CS Lewis even recognised this though he was a christian he was honest
I thought you were a diest
I'm just trying to let MrPresident1 know that he should stop all this baseless assumptions
Even if I'm wrong and Jesus is actually coming back nobody knows for sure the exact time frame

Answer to No:4 is kinda weak.
You twisted No:6
Read Mathew 24:5-8, does that sound like stuff that could happen within say 40years(that is the number of years the disciples had left)?
John the beloved wrote the book of revelation oga. Wasn't he alive during this Emperor Domitian Era?
The only controversy, was of a different style of writing, but this might be due to old age. And also, only John recognized Jesus as the Word.

You better repent for the Kingdom of God will come like a thief in the night.
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I just feel like defending the mainstream beliefs of the Bible .

jonbellion:
For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done. “Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”
— Matthew 16:27-28
apologists claim he's talking about the transfiguration. but he said something about rewarding each person which did bot happen during the transfiguration
Plus in the other synoptic gospels the transfiguration hapoend before that statement
If Jesus was truly concerned that none should perish, he would’ve returned 2,000 years ago, before billions more could perish
If Jesus did set a deadline, and failed to satisfy it, it should spell “game over” for Jesus. But as you might imagine, many explanations have been developed to try and explain this situation
Peter was the first christian apologist
Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?” “I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”
Mark 14:61-62(nawa oo this one was so obvious)
Unfortunately for us we are "carnal" minded
Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.”
— Mat. 10:23 (Haba naaaaaaa)
Don't forget we hath not the holy spirit
It's like he causes dyslexia
Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that it is near, right at the door. 30 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
— Mark 13:29-30
If he actually meant our generation he would have been more explicit. He could have said "that generation"
John the Baptist believed it too
When John, who was in prison, heard about the deeds of the Messiah, he sent his disciples to ask him, “Are you the one who is to come, or should we expect someone else?”
Matt. 11:2-3

But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to where he was baptizing, he said to them: “You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath? … The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.
Matt 3:7-10

“Repent, for the kingdom of heaven has come near.”
Matt. 3:2
When CS Lewis realised this you really know jesus' bleeped up

Answer these questions:
1. John during his last days(being fully aware of that), wrote about the prophecies of the last days(Armageddon) , which you know about. Do you really think he thought that the prophecies were going to be fulfilled before his death?

2. Paul knew about his Death and wrote a letter to Timothy(about the time when most of the disciples might have been dead), to control the church, do u think this action is expected from a man awaiting yahweh's coming?

3. Jesus said that day shall be "like a thief in the night", don't you think this goes in contrast with your misinterpretation?

4. Don't you think the Early Church would have been destroyed if they really held on to this belief while evangelizing to the Romans.

4. Did you read the chapter at all, or you just picked out that verse?

5.If you read that chapter, you would understand that in the preceding verses, Jesus was talking about future generations(prophesying), Why should the context change when he got to that verse?

Requesting for illegal action on public forum.
Nice one bro.

jonbellion:
well he's not coming back
It is more than obvious that he thought he was coming back in the generation of the disciples

He...?
Who are you referring to?

He never said it in future tense "that generation" he said "this generation"
Heck he even said the high priest would see him in the clouds

" this generation", any scriptural reference?

While one can never prove that Jesus walked on water, or healed the sick, or rose from the dead, I believe we can prove with a high degree of confidence — that Jesus was an apocalyptic prophet who promised to return within one generation. And he failed.

Hmmm

jonbellion:
after seeing that why do they still try
Though the end is not coming any time soon

Their actions does not affect Yahweh's Word.

Mark13:32; No one knows that day nor hour, not even the son, only Yahweh.

KingEbukaNaija:
Samson was known for his strength and not wisdom - he acted stupidly of course . Delilah tried three times to inveigle Samson to reveal the secret of his strength. And she failed to three times because Samson deceived her with various stories. Samson was just playing games with her as the Spirit of God had left him because he disobeyed God's law by showing intentions to marry a Philistine woman despite the act being a violation of God’s law on intermarriage with pagans . And of course , he was totally in love with her . Love is blind

Anyway , Samson’s hair was not the source of his strength - his unshaven hair was simply the sign that he was obeying God’s command for him to be a Nazarite. The Spirit of God was the source of Samson's strength not his hair .

Judges 16: 17
And he told her all his heart, and said to her, “A razor has never come upon my head, for I have been a Nazirite to God from my mother's womb. If my head is shaved, then my strength will leave me, and I shall become weak and be like any other man.”

According to the dictionary , a Nazirite is an Israelite who was consecrated to the service of God, under vows to abstain from alcohol, let the hair grow, and avoid defilement by contact with dead bodies (Num. 6). So that means the unshaven hair was the symbol of a Nazarite's relationship with God .

What "Blind Faith" does to a man.
Sighs
# intellectual dishonesty

Beautiful!!!

DrLazDevitan:
I think we are done with this proceedings if you argue no more further as you have supposedly ascerted just awhile that the universe has a beginning with respect to another dimension(serving as a reference gauge).My interest is not in your assumed 'other dimension.' It is in you to understand that universe in its vastness has a core beginning with respect to a frame(the other dimension) as put by you.

OK.

$100

DrLazDevitan:
You are abit confused.If you argue there is beginning of time,then there should be a frame which events is measured whether it is eternal or not.For the fact that it is eternal does not remove that frame,the problem is that you and I don't know where that frame is.
Your Ultimate dimension is just a philosophical verbal analysis of Principle of Causality-to causes and effect,there is no end on sliding back.

If you were presented with a circle(rolling or not),in how many patterns will you measured time?

To go over this,try solve this mathematical problem:

In how many ways can you arrange 4 students sitting in a circle?

24 ways. I don't see how this solves anything.
Here's my point of view; this our universe is a dimension of its own. It's already a fact that it has a beginning, therefore from another dimension.
This dimension might be ultimate or can go on and on till we get an ultimate dimension.
This ultimate dimension is "eternal" and cannot be explained by frames of events or even on a straight line. Therefore, I brought up a rolling circle analogy; as it beginning or end can't be ascertained and is uncaused.

If there is a frame like you claim, then that dimension is not ultimate. The only way it can go on and on, is if this "Infinite loop" itself is eternal, either ways eliminating the frame concept.

4everGod:
My friend your answer wasnt a common sense one.

Is this a compliment or a rebuttal?

4everGod:
Now that you have read the article and noted the particular highlighted portions please note that the article talks about a massive oceanic pool of water inside the earth which is as good as being the size of all the oceans on the earth put together.

Now compare this with what happened in the days of Noah and the very words contained in the Bible in Genesis 7: 11

When Noah was 600 years old, on the seventeenth day of the second month, all the underground waters erupted from the earth, and the rain fell in mighty torrents from the sky.

How did the men of old who were inspired to write the scriptures know about this massive underground ocean which scientists are discovering today?

Ponder on it and let me know your conclusion.

Don't you think this requires a "common sense" answer.
Wells were dug those days, it should be assumed that these folks knew water could be found deep down, but not sure of the size however.

KingEbukasBlog:
What about the second post explaining the Triune Nature of God ? What exactly about Christ being God brings up logical issues

Three persons having a mind of their own(as depicted from the Bible) can't be ONE.
They can have equal divinity but are different. Maybe this state of divinity is considered as God.

DrLazDevitan:
The mention is of an assumption of a man whom has travelled half his trip just to find out he has either lost I of the path to his way home or lost the reminiscence of his home.

If you exclude time to this universe only then you are only helping yourself not all of us.

As indicated in my post, I was being subjective.

DrLazDevitan:
Simple! The only way to learn the beginning of times is to state a frame of relativeness.This frame is not in itself,it is ours.

I am carefree of the word ''Ultimate'',since it can't be any better than the Principle of Causality,which in principle is far richer to any form of dimension.

This frame can't be applied to this "Ultimate dimension".
That's why I said it's "eternal".
You can look at it as a rolling circle.

KingEbukasBlog:
Why ?

I can't really give a straight answer.
Accepting Jesus as God brings up logical issues, that's why u have JW doctrines.

DrLazDevitan:
In otherwords that ultimate dimension wherewith it has evolved is only a frame of coincidence like a frame of reference in getting positions measured.If you agree so,then that ultimate dimension is just man-made and not actually the beginning as foremost put.

What do u mean by "frame of coincidence being manmade".

By the way take note of the word "Ultimate"

MrMontella:
how do you know this?

And on time having a beginning...how do you know time started with our universe?
Time is just a measure of events you know

Ya, time is measure of events, and this event starts with the big bang.

I said "this universe" has a beginning; so when I used the word "time", I am referring only to "this universe", and not the dimension it evolved from.

KingEbukasBlog:
Remember Xenophanes existed many years before Christ , so the question is :

Why do you think Xenophanes criticized anthropomorphism ? Do you think he would have maintained his criticism of anthropomorphism if he understood the concept of a Triune God ?

'Anthropomorphism in the sense of attributing physical characteristics' - - No

ScienceWatch:
good points

So are you taking back your assertions?

DrLazDevitan:
Does time really have a begining?

This universe has a beginning.
The ultimate dimension where it came from has to be eternal.

EyeHateGod:
What do you think the multiverse is?

Parallel universes coexisting at the same time.
Michio Kaku thinks Dejavu might also explain parallel universes; that is thoughts of other universes received consciously , when in the right frequency.

EyeHateGod:
There is a possibility that the multiverse is Infinite and our universe is just a space expanding into....

into..?
What do u think about connection between this multiverse , like 'dejavu'?

KingEbukasBlog:
https://www.nairaland.com/3500235/must-read-god-without-religion#51614149

How does that thread explain it?

KingEbukasBlog:
Even if the universe were to be eternal , it does not preclude the existence of God .

Explain

EyeHateGod:
It's fact.. That's why we also assume the possibility of multiuniverse

Michio Kaku, propagates this theory, and it's quite compelling.
What do you think?

ScienceWatch:
Well done 4king, you right again ! my point is not directed to the real mental health problems resulting from the denial of Jesus and therefore the God he reveals.

The thrust of all this is concern for the devastating social consequences of atheism/deism/agnosticism and other satanically inspired ideas.

How do atheists/deists/agnostics,etc use defence mechanisms to deny God or a personal God? Richard Dawkins, PZ Myers, Sam Harris and others. They are angry and resentful people and shift the blame to other for the problems in their own lives. Now filled with hatred, they invent ideas that trap themselves and others. What follows are what psychologists and psychiatrist believe to be the major ways.

Bill Gates donates large portion of his wealth to the needy, does that look like an act of hatred?

DENIAL: This mechanism is very simple: the atheist/deist simply denies reality and does so with intensity and persistence. There are people who are told by doctors daily that they have a terminal illness. They hear and see many people have been miraculously healed. Their way of coping is to deny that it could be true. Atheists/deist do the same: they intensely and persistently deny that God could exist. They block out the possibility and fight it with all their might.

Deist don't deny the existence of God.

RATIONALIZATIONS: This is a favorite mechanism of atheists/deist. It is simply the reliance on logical-sounding but false reasons to negate reality. Atheists/deist will offer countless “logical-sounding” reasons why God does not exist, or why atheists/deist cannot accept the existence of God or religion or that miraculous healings are as simple as breathing. They are very creative at doing so, and they specialize in using pedantic language to sound convincing to others and to themselves. They fool themselves that they are of superior intelligence and that they must be correct in their conclusions. In reality, they are simply foolish rationalizers.
How do atheists use defence mechanisms to deny God

Where was miraculous healing for Myles Munroe? (no offence)

REPRESSION: This mechanism entails forcing painful experiences into the sub-conscious unconsciously. The atheist/deist/agnostic who uses this mechanism is not aware of it. All of existence shouts out miraculous, "design." Every little detail in nature offers evidence of the Artist’s miraculous touch. One only has to stop, observe and see that we are not surrounded by the grotesque, but by beauty, unity and miraculous harmony. The atheist mind will not stop and observe and see the connection. If they do stop to look, they will acknowledge the miraculous art -- but not the artist.

go check the meaning of agnosticism and deism.

SUPPRESSION: Suppression is similar to repression, but with one exception: it is conscious. Science is continually offering evidence of miraculous intricacy and brilliance on the Creator’s part. The concept of miraculous design is daily being reinforced by all the sciences. Accepting the evidence of miraculous design for former atheist, Anthony Flew, may have been painful at first, but he finally accepted the glaring reality. Most atheists/deist will not. They will consciously “reject” the evidence, without any fair and sufficient I . And finally exclude God or reject the power of miracles in religion.

Let your God heal an amputee, then you would see an overwhelming influx into Christendom.

DISPLACEMENT: This mechanism has to do with transferring feelings from one deserving object to another undeserving one. As explained above, many Atheists/deists are angry and hurt, because of abuse or mistreatment by authority figures, parents, religious events or religious leaders. In time, they transfer their anger to God who allowed the events that caused their pain to take place. The end result of this mechanism is to abolish/destroy what they see as the ultimate source of their pain: God.

this is pathetic, stop watching those 'God's not Dead' movies.

hahn:
What is the evidence supporting this fact?

Stephen Hawkings has explained this already.
You can do urself favor by reading his article "The Beginning Of Time".

hahn:
Still based on assumptions. Not facts

'The universe has a beginning' - Fact

hahn:
Yep. Did you?

A designer does not necessarily need to be worshipped that's religion.

How are you so sure? Any proof?

The universe is not eternal and has a beginning.

MrMontella:
brother...abeg leave that guy...

I tire 4 am ooo