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Jenifa123:
Yeah...
It was..
Was doing more on the mobile experience
But am a little bit focused on PC view now

I had issues...
I posted something concerning the therapy on the homepage 2 days ago and it did not appear, only my first comment "hmm" appeared.
I also sent you a pm with the copy of the message and later the message just magically disappeared, when i clicked your profile.
Help out....
Thanks.

OkaiCorne:
Do you have any evidence to prove their findings as wrong and fraudulent?

Do you even have sufficient information about Edgar Cayce?

Their beliefs were ridiculous.

OkaiCorne:
And what's funny about them? Are they circus clowns?

The fact that you almost took them seriously.

OkaiCorne:
It's in the documentary... please watch it

lol

OkaiCorne:
Did you realize a lot of records about the happenings in Israel were destroyed gradually by the zealots' uprising and subsequently the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70?

Have you heard of the Akashic records?

Have you also heard of the sleeping Nostradamus...Edgar Cayce?

Nostradamus and Edgar Cayce, Seriously?? lol

OkaiCorne:
From the NatGeo documentary...DNA tests on the blood revealed that the DNA has no trace to an earthly Father...

23 Chromosomes traceable to the mother... but that of the Father is untraceable...

Is there any logical or scientific explanation for this?

What were the methods used, and from where did they get the blood, the shroud?

You know you've not addressed my question yet.

Sarassin:
A tax was levied by Jewish authorities for the reconstitution of the second Jerusalem Temple, it was well known and the temple had been completed. It was not levied by the “Kings of the earth” or “Caesar” as Jesus supposedly infers, it was the only direct taxation levied during the lifetime of Jesus therefore it would have been no surprise whatsoever to either Jesus or his disciples.

The author of Matthew is clearly referring to the tax levied by the Emperor Domitian supposedly referred to as “kings of the earth” for the building of a temple dedicated to Jupiter. It was not levied on Roman citizens, hence Jesus in that verse asks “ if the tax is levied only on the children of strangers”, this tax was burdensome and compulsory for every adult Jewish person.

It is clearly an allegory because the reference to Simon to “hook the first Fish and remove the coin from its mouth” is a reference to Simon to go out and convert a soul to Christ and obtain what was at that time the tradition of new converts paying a small amount of money for the redemption of their soul in order to pay the tax.

Please bear with me, i'm just seeing this explanation for the first time.
But how did you arrive at the conclusion that the tax was levied for the reconstitution of Jerusalem Temple.

OkaiCorne:
From the part of your quote I bolded...it is very clear you didn't watch the documentary to the very end...or you are obviously denying the facts in front of you...

Please enlighten me on what i don't know. Thanks.

How did you arrive at the conclusion that the scientist who carried out the DNA test in the NatGeo documentary is affiliated to the Catholic church?

Are you kidding me?

I love the Judge.
Louis Vuiton "is not top of the line cloth" for him,
Versace because of sweat,
Over $30000 on clothes and he said it wasn't enough,
$5000 belts ,
bentley,
$50000 to cut mercedes into a LIMO ,
$6000 for disney resort, living the life ,
doesn't know how many people are on the board of the church apart from him and his wife; this session was the funniest ,
like what the fu(K.
See his pathetic response when the judge asked him about the poor in his church.
And their members will blindly follow them saying "Jesus was made poor so they would be rich...", that's one of Oyedepo's favorite quotes.

But i like the civil argument between his Lawyer and the Judge about his daughter towards the end, that rarely happens in this Country.

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Jenifa123:
It will be active before the end of February...
K guessing you're on PC right?

Ya, always. Was that the cause of the problems i experienced last year?

hopefulLandlord:
actually I cut in to address the part of your post about "dying for a lie", I stayed silent previously cuz I feel Sarassin, 4kings and you have agreed on some basis through this discussion which I don't agree with but I don't want to drag discussion back which might derail the discussion going on

What do i agree wit OkaiCorne that you don't agree with?

OkaiCorne:
So that means the DNA results of the scientists on the documentary is not a fact abi?

The method is not accepted by most sceintists apart from the team the catholics hand-picked.
I've told you three different tests were carried out at the same time, that debunks that the purpose of the research sef.

Wehdone...so that means all documentaries are irrelevant abi?

There are relevant for various purposes, including documenting people's beliefs.
I've watched documentaries about islam and there were fun, that's relevance.

Yes of course, there are documentaries on mythical figures...however, that of Jesus proves that He existed...especially this one on NatGeo which is a globally reputable channel...

But you can't explain the science involved in "proving" it.

Would you like me to bring the one on CNN too?

CNN is a news station. They report news and rumours Mr.Man

OkaiCorne:
And the documentary on NatGeo are lies too?

It's a "documentary".
Please check the meaning of "documentary" and see how irrelevant what you're trying to imply is.

There are also documentaries about the existence of some mythical figures.

Sarassin:
I would not grant the possibility that Jesus was merely an esoteric “symbol” used to demonstrate Gnosis as you put it, if that pre-supposes the actual existence of Jesus. I believe (for my own reasons) that Jesus achieved “Christ consciousness” as did a select few.

Can you share your reasons?

In my view his teachings, going by the evidence of the gospel of Mark and others were Gnostic in nature, I think early followers of Jesus believed this also.

Ya, I know this.

I do not “judge” the miracles of Jesus, I merely point out what we know, which is that several of the miracles attributable to Jesus could not have been performed by him. Take for instance the miracle of the Coin in the mouth of the fish.

In the Book of Matthew the question is asked "Doth not your master pay the shekel-tax?"

In reply, one sentence turns everything upside down:
Matt 17:25 "Yes he does he replied ……..What thinkest thou Simon? Of whom do the kings of the earth take tax or tribute? Of their own children or of strangers?”

Whereupon Simon is then commanded to take up his net head for the waters and catch the first fish.

That verse 17:25 makes no sense whatsoever if applied to the tax (Jewish temple duty) that was levied in the lifetime of Jesus. In reality, the writer of Matthew who wrote much later is referring to a tax that was levied at a much later period. We know that the story is an allegory, it was written under the reign of Emperor Domitian the last of the Flavian rulers who ruled Rome from 81CE to 96CE, it was he who levied a General tax of every grown Jewish man for the Capitoline of Jupiter his reign began fully 50 years after the passing of Jesus and therefore that story cannot be fully attributable as a miracle of Jesus.

There are similar issues with other miracles but I believe I have made my point.

What am i reading, i don't think i'm getting you.
Is this not the tax system in practice since the time of moses?
What kind of tax was levied at a much later period and what makes you think that's the kind being referred to in that passage.

Anyways, that still doesn't answer my question.
You thought that particular verse was an allegory. Is Jesus walking on water, bringing the dead alive, ascending to heaven, destruction of the temple, and many more allegories too.
I just want to understand your thought patterend towards this issue.

OkaiCorne:
You really asked for evidence of the Apostles martyrdom? Even when history is replete with the sadistic and senseless brutality of Roman Emperors like Nero who finished off Peter and Paul...and many other Christians especially after the great fire that consumed most parts of Rome?


Have you heard of the catacombs in Israel? Filled with the bones of martyred saints?

Do you want more experts' evidence including that of NatGeo which you'll still claim is a lie?

By the way, you have not mentioned much about the previous NatGeo documentary which has nothing to do with the shroud of Turin you talked of....

Lol.. you said Moses most likely never existed despite Egyptian and Ethiopian historic evidence pointing to the contrary...

Do you believe the garden of Eden also once existed?

Here we go again with Eusebius deceits.
Just like there was no documentation of Jesus or his death/ressurection before Eusebius, there is no documentation that infer that the romans knew who "christians" were then until of-course Eusebius.
The fire outbreak happened and people got punished in a cruel way, historians recorded this event without mentioning Christians, but only until Eusebius' time as usual did we record an alternating opinion of event.
Mr. Man Eusebius is a liar stop taking his words seriously.

OkaiCorne:
Read my response slowly... I'm not defending the validity of the Turin shroud

So what's your deal with DNA research then?

Rather, give me another link with evidence and carbon dating test results that proves it is fake.

Search engines are very easy to use bro.
What i know is that the test was carried out in three different locations around the world at the same time and they revealed similar timeframe.

The one you gave earlier was just criticism of a man who has no results of his to prove its fake...

I am giving you detailed reasons why your "evidence" is absurd, instead of addressing them you're calling "cristicism". SMH

Give me references with results lemme learn further...

Again search engines are the best.

Jenifa123:
Check out latest updates..
It's http://friendzone.com.ng

Cool.
When would the forums be active?

Sarassin:
I think it is fairly clear that at the outset, the doctrinal message of Jesus was gnostic in nature, the gospel of Mark is gnostic in outlook, the Hebrew Matthew is also highly gnostic, if we look further afield to the apocryphal Gospel of Thomas with the reputed sayings of Jesus, it is exceedingly gnostic, esoterica closely follows gnostic beliefs. Virtually all extant early Christian writings that have been discovered to date and dated prior to the 4th century, with the exception of the later gospels, i.e Matthew, Luke and John are gnostic in nature. Therefore it is not far-fetched to say that the central doctrinal themes of Jesus’ message was gnostic in nature.

With respect to Miracles, we have it on Roman authority that Jesus was believed to be a miracle worker, that in itself is no big issue, Jesus had been accused of practising sorcery, there is a long tradition of Palestinian miracle workers, for instance, the likes of Honi, the circle drawer who lived around 63BCE who brought rain down on the spot by entreating Yahweh, there was also the likes of Apollonius of Tyanna some of whose miraculous works it seems later came to be attributed to Jesus, it was de-rigeur that the messiah had to be a miracle worker.

In my view Jesus performed certain miracles, (particularly healing) but a lot of the miracles ascribed to him in the gospels are simply demonstrably untrue or are attributed to him in a bid to further certain doctrinal aspects of orthodoxy.

What of the possibility that "Jesus" was an esoteric symbol used by the Pneumatics to refer to Gnosis or Consciousness?
And what's your basis for judging "Jesus" miracles as true or untrue?

OkaiCorne:
I've gone through the link, also check this out;

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4036930/jesus-face-turin-shroud-torture-blood-st-john-the-baptist-cathedral/

Apparently, the link you gave me shows nothing but criticism with insufficient evidence to counter this...

Elvio added that the research marked the first study of "the nanoscale properties of a pristine fibre taken from the Turin Shroud".

The research was carried out by the Instituo Officia dei Materiali in Trieste and the Institute of Crystallography in Bari, both under Italy's National Research Council, as well as the University of Padua's Department of Industrial Engineering.

I need facts, and not blind criticism. By the way, I am not even defending the validity of the shroud of Turin...as it's not something I've done an indepth research on.

Rather, what I find irritating is the baseless reply of the author in the link you gave me, who cannot even counter the findings of the research work done on the shroud of Turin with his own tests...just noise and noise and noise. He cannot sponsor a research team in a well known University to counter the findings made at Instituo Officia dei Materiali and the other institutes I earlier mentioned...

Noise, noise, noise...

Wow.
What's the scientific dating for this shroud?
Guess what around the 14th century.

When was this shroud found?
Guess; around the 14th century.

Was this shroud know before the 14th century?
Can you guess, Big NO.

How the fu{k did it get to france?

Was it originally accepted by the pope and catholic bishops? No

Has any credible scientist found evidence of blood? No, only a set of scientists handpicked by the catholics.

Isn't contamination meant to affect this research? No answer.

Saying research conducted on this "blood" does not reveal human attributes makes it, and making it assertion from this that Jesus did not have a human father is dumb. If it's not normal then it's not freaking blood.

Have there been scientific research showing evidence of paint? Yes.

According to the bible and jewish history jesus was wrapped with linen strips(Jn 19:40 and Lk 24:12), the shroud of turing does not match this description.

Is this research widely accepted in the scientific community? Hell NO.

OkaiCorne:
Kindly share your evidence for analysis.

Bhudda existed...no problem

Muhammed existed ... no problem

Moses existed ... no problem

Jesus existed ... big problem! He's a gnostic concept...

Gnosticism existed during that period, most of the Ebionites i mentioned were Gnostics.
Gnostic interpretations of some parts of the old testaments were also known then.

I don't know if Buddha truly existed, but he does not have a concept of hell waiting for me if i don't believe.
Obviously Mohammed existed, records speak well of this.
And Moses most likely never existed.

If I may ask you, what would motivate a rational human being (i.e. the Apostles and early Christian martyrs) to suffer slow and agonizing death all in a bid to defend a lie?

What's the evidence of the Apostles martydom? lol

OkaiCorne:
Do you have evidence to show that the original works of Josephus were re-written by Christian scribes.

Do you have at least three instances where different people at that point in time compared the original works of Josephus to the re-written one and as a result, exposed the Fraud?

Na wa ooo, i don't think Sarassin should reply this post since you can't even digest the simple explanations he has given.

begwong:
El_Rufai also fails communication skills test from his twitter handle regarding primary pupils protest in Kaduna where he tweeted "exposing minors to hazard & endangering their "LIMBS"..
Instead of their "lives".. �
What a performance from a first class graduate.. Lol

This is moronic, Mr.

stankezzy:
There is one thing that is bothering me , if one sales his own blood , is it blood money? will the nemesis that befall people that do blood money befall him?

What dafuq?? lol

OkaiCorne:
So you are implying National Geographic channel is a channel of liars...

it's nice seeing you debunk the very science you believe in, even if experts gives you evidence.

Before you talk crap, can you explain the "science" you're referring to.
I told you this documentary was done by the popular Ryon Wyatt, why not go and read about his other discoveries and how there were welcomed in the scientific world.

OkaiCorne:
so 100% of the documentary was about the shroud of Turin...and nothing more abi? very interesting

What relevant point did you get from the documentary?

OkaiCorne:
Slowly read Sarassin's comments again...he believes Jesus once lived on earth...but please let us know where you stand.

Did Jesus live on earth? Yes or No

I mentioned the Ebionites in this thread.
And i also said to Omudia11 in the last page that; Jesus was a gnostic concept that got twisted along the line in history.

That has always been my stance.

Sarassin:
Although I am not Christian I believe and accept that Jesus lived, that is to say that a first century Jewish itinerant apocalyptic preacher of that name whose ministry came to eventually supersede that of John the Baptist lived and died. Those who do not accept the historicity of Jesus of Nazareth also have a point because, in historical terms it is increasingly clear that the Jesus that lived bears only the vaguest and most passing resemblance to the Jesus depicted in the gospel writings.

The problem with quoting Josephus as an impeccable source is the fact that we do not have Josephus’ original writings. All his works were re-copied by Christian trans-scribers, in fact early church authorities at the likely instigation of Eusebius went from house to house, particularly of the elites, retrieving copies of the original works of Josephus and confiscating them, therefore the argument over the Testimonium Flavianum is rather superfluous, there is nothing to offer in comparison. None of the other historical sources you quote offer a standalone confirmation of the historicity of Jesus, you have to dig deeper.

Hmm, what's your view on the esoteric interpetations of who jesus is/was and the miracles he perfomed?

OkaiCorne:
Take out time to watch this National Geographic documentary.

This should address your concerns on how Jesus' blood was sourced for testing. And the result of the DNA test.

Afterall, National Geographic channel should be somewhat reliable with scientific findings.

If you are patient enough, that's a 45 minutes video with historical and archaeological evidences you can relate to

The Blood of Christ and the Phaistos Disc

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/videos/the-blood-of-christ/

cheers

Sarassin has addressed your evidence issue.
As per your documentary, the Turin Shroud is fake, it's not even blood.

Where in lagos and how much?

Fmartin:
that is the problem with we nigerians. Most a candidate be known all over nigeria before he win an election? We never knew yar'adua, but from know where he won the presidential election. The only thing a candidate needs is, the leaders behind them.

Good point.
But this Kwakwanso guy should get better publicity if he wants to get a chance of even being noticed, cos i'm sure most Nigerians don't know who he is.

OVA200:
Don't worry bro enjoy.

I've seen my mistake. I mixed up the state osun and ekiti in my head.

AnonyNymous:
Up till the build up to these elections I'd never heard his name

Me too.