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Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by shadeyinka(m): 12:57am On Apr 07, 2019 |
IAmSabrina:If you watched the full clip. It was a Sunday service. The "pastors" of scoan prays for every single person in the church. Those who manifests demons are brought out for deliverance. So was the case of Jim. He was just one of the several people who manifested their demon during Sunday service. They have prayer lines for the sick people and that's after the service. IAmSabrina:I have watched a few of the clips and I can't seem to see anything extraordinary with his hypnotism. In fact, I have a feeling that his demos are preprepped before his demonstration. I discovered that I used to have one of his books a long while ago. Here is his shock therapy: which needed prep for it to work. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7-0VHQyFm8 IAmSabrina:Spy's shouldn't last 1hour in the hands of a skillful hypnotist. Don't you think so? You spoke about intense concentration. Who needed it the hypnoist or the person needing hypnosis? Jim's Mum? She DIED! And Jim was angry and disappointed in scoan. That was the main reason why he went in the first place. It wasn't about himself, it was about his mum. |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by shadeyinka(m): 1:07am On Apr 07, 2019 |
IAmSabrina:I agree with you, there are mental illness like schizophrenia where a person seem to see, hear or feel things that don't appear real to others. Yes! Could Jim had been mentally sick? How come it got diagnosed in the church and never before or after that time. Schizophrenia even with the best medical help need several years of therapy before it is cured. Moreover, how come these people are manifesting characteristics not in medical books Check out this one also. It sounds like a multiple personality disorder. Not sure https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RuCLB6vM3M |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by Nobody: 1:13am On Apr 07, 2019 |
shadeyinka:I'm not sure you quite understand the beauty of this video The guy on the chair was expecting his hands coming together. This is very important. This was the point of Kappas' introduction: to give the guy that sense of expectation. His conscious mind tried to guide the motion of his hands therefore Kappas clapped his hands together, putting him in a state of shock Hence, his fall. I'm not an expert at hypnotism but shouldn't it be the hypnotist? But these things aren't necessarily as black-and-white as you're painting them. Oh, well. Now isn't that a shock! Jim was delivered but they couldn't save his poor mom. SMDH 1 Like |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by Nobody: 1:29am On Apr 07, 2019 |
shadeyinka:[img]https://media./images/9c5aa3dca36cb2d490c744adbc54c6bd/tenor.gif[/img] Not gonna lie, i actually fell of my chair laughing at this video Notice how the "demons" are polite enough to answer each question. They also happen to know which camera is recording them. And what's up with his voice? Was it Mickey Mouse that possessed him? Oh my days I'd still take this video with a pinch of salt. This guy may just have mental illness & these clowns are just taking the piss and using him for show. SMDH |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by shadeyinka(m): 1:37am On Apr 07, 2019 |
IAmSabrina:Your response shows you don't know anything about hypnosis. 1. First suggest was a command (tons willing subject) put out your hands.. 2. The second was a suggestion : imagine a magnet between your hands made of steel 3. At this point the second was reinforced by giving a subtle command: the magnet is pulling your hands. At this point the man is struggling to keep his hands separated then SUDDEN BANG! The man went into sleep even before he was commanded to sleep! This is a proof that he had been preprogrammed before the class for there is no way he could have known what was expected. After the bang, he could have howled as a wolf or backed like a dog or do whatever he had been programmed to do. Watch the clip again and tell me how the man knew he should sleep before the command was given. We'll Jim's mum died: nothing anyone could do about that probably becaus he time was up...no one can answer for that. Don't forget that no man of God can by himself do any miracle except he is a Satanist. But the issue isn't about Jim's mum for all of us we die. The issue is the question: What happened to Jim Iyke? |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by shadeyinka(m): 1:50am On Apr 07, 2019 |
IAmSabrina:What do you expect? That the demons would behave like that in the exorcist movie? Pls watch again and show that the demonized was posing for the cameras The nearest you can place it in real medical terms is multiple personality disorder. Let me help you understand what's happening behind the scenes. You have at least two demons with different personalities answering the questions. I wished you watched it to his testimony time to make your conclusion as per mental illness. If this is really a mental illness, what would you think is a correct diagnosis for this one-time misbehaviour triggered by someone attempting to lay hands on the young man? |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by shadeyinka(m): 1:52am On Apr 07, 2019 |
IAmSabrina:Your response shows you don't know anything about hypnosis. 1. First suggest was a command (tons willing subject) put out your hands.. 2. The second was a suggestion : imagine a magnet between your hands made of steel 3. At this point the second suggestion was reinforced by giving a subtle command: the magnet is pulling your hands. At this point the man is struggling to keep his hands separated then SUDDEN BANG! The man went into sleep even before he was commanded to sleep! This is a proof that he had been preprogrammed before the class for there is no way he could have known what was expected. After the bang, he could have howled as a wolf or backed like a dog or do whatever he had been programmed to do. Watch the clip again and tell me how the man knew he should sleep before the command was given. We'll Jim's mum died: nothing anyone could do about that probably becaus he time was up...no one can answer for that. Don't forget that no man of God can by himself do any miracle except he is a Satanist. But the issue isn't about Jim's mum for all of us we die. The issue is the question: What happened to Jim Iyke? |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by Nobody: 1:57am On Apr 07, 2019 |
shadeyinka:I've already stated that my knowledge on hypnotism isn't the best, i think that much was established. Besides i dont see the distinction between what you're saying here and what i've been saying few posts back Oh and i don't know if you noticed but @italics is pretty much a good explanation for most cases of "deliverance" Riiiiiight Well, what happened to him? |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by shadeyinka(m): 2:09am On Apr 07, 2019 |
IAmSabrina:Well you know that's not true. Still using Jim as an example: when do you think the prep was done knowing that Jim entered the church reluctantly. Since you've not really witnessed any deliverance, how would you know how it is done.? If you Sabrina doesn't want to be hypnotized, no one can force you. I challenge you to watch several hypnosis cases and compare it with deliverance. The difference is glaring. What happened to Jim Iyke isn't hypnotism: it is something else. You suggested a medical issue but does it have a name? |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by Nobody: 2:19am On Apr 07, 2019 |
shadeyinka:Methinks you're looking for needles in a bundle of hay honestly. This thread ultimately fails if you want my honest opinion You'll notice that people undergoing exorcisms often go into fits. But in the video you showed me, those fits do not resemble epileptic seizures; they resemble the kinds of seizures people have when they're faking a seizure, completely with arching their backs off the ground and other things that are not typical of "real" fits. SMDH A practitioner of psychiatry or psychology would be able to explain well enough how mental illness might resemble demonic possession, particularly in susceptible individuals, and might even go on to talk about how potent the placebo effect is. Both of which would be good reasons to dismiss both demonic possession and exorcism in one fell swoop. My knowledge on psychiatry & psychology is not as sophisticated so you're talking to the wrong person. Truth is, Shadeyinka, if you believe that demonic possession is real, you'll need to prove it by showing us demons exist. As for Jim's memory loss and "deliverance incident", i believe psychology majors could have an answer for you 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by Martinez39(m): 2:44am On Apr 07, 2019 |
What sort of nonsense is this? Just when you think you've seen it all with these theists. If evolution were an individual, I would beat the living daylight out of him/her. Clearly his/her work is not "mentally complete" in certain people. Why? Oh my. Oya OP, come let's go to a psychiatric hospital. 5 Likes 1 Share
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Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by Nobody: 3:57am On Apr 07, 2019 |
IAmSabrina:Hi sabrina! I actually thought it was you who posted this thread, hence my response. Sorry about the mix up. p.s. Apart from that though everything I said still stands. 1 Like |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by shadeyinka(m): 8:27am On Apr 07, 2019 |
IAmSabrina:First demonic manifestations is not a fit. Neither is it a seizure; for can a person under seizure speak? I see where you are going: if it's a kind of medical condition, it must by now have a name. Since you are fairly sure it doesn't seem to match what is known in the medical world, then it must be a faking. However, our celebrity Jim Iyke wasn't faking it? Or was he? IAmSabrina:I wish you know an atheist psychologist / psychiatrist who could go profile the techniques used by these churches and their mentally imbalanced sick actors willing to roll-on the ground for money. For your information, some demonic manifestations during Deliverances are so calm and quiet: you may want to think it's a normal conversation between two people. And then, you resort to "show us" rhetoric again: do spirits have bodies? Or, you want real demons to act Hollywood dramas of slamming doors and breaking glasses for you to know. Here is a quiet Deliverance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuSHWAyqabs I beg you to watch this one: just one of the things demons do to humans (not violent in anyway but an eye sore.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBupVwHgW80 This above has a medical name. |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by shadeyinka(m): 8:32am On Apr 07, 2019 |
Martinez39:And do you know why is is called deliverance? Because a demonic "virus" has to be evicted from a normal human being. Do computer manufacturer deliberately infect their computers with virus? You complain "..in certain people?!" Why not? Do all computer suffer viral infections? When the manufactures rules are broken, what do you expect? |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by HardMirror(m): 1:43pm On Apr 07, 2019 |
shadeyinka:why didnt she turn to a dog? I have seen many tb Joshua's videos. Ib one, a man claimed to have changed into a tiger and in another a snake yet all i see are humans trying to behave like these animals and most times the acting is poor 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by HardMirror(m): 1:47pm On Apr 07, 2019 |
shadeyinka:every video you posted lack supernaturality. These are just people acting out what they think demonic possession shld look and sound like. Why cant they do something extra ordinary besides making noise and shining their eyes like people taking a tuber up their asses 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by HardMirror(m): 1:50pm On Apr 07, 2019 |
IAmSabrina:. Would be more convincing if she had turned into a dog on camera and before everyone not pretending to be a dog. When such happens then i think we wld have something serious to discuss. 2 Likes |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by MuttleyLaff: 1:55pm On Apr 07, 2019 |
HardMirror:The best and only sensible comment so far on this thread. It made my day, brought a chuckle out of me and so deserved my liking it 2 Likes |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by HardMirror(m): 2:06pm On Apr 07, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:i once saw a video on youtube titled "man turns to a tiger while being delivered by tb joshua" i rushed and opened the link and watched the whole video expecting to see him change but all he did was crawl on all fours and was roaring like a pussy. Same with useless stories of people turning to snake and the story would be backed up with a photoshoped picture. Geez... christians are gullible 1 Like |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by MuttleyLaff: 2:13pm On Apr 07, 2019 |
HardMirror:The bible in Matthew 24:24 says: "For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders that would deceive even the elect, if that were possible." shadeyinka, is not alone, he is in good company of the likes of petra1 joagbaje, who also famzings TB Joshua. One day monkey go go market, no go return back be TB Joshua own 1 Like |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by HardMirror(m): 2:28pm On Apr 07, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:issorite 1 Like |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by shadeyinka(m): 2:43pm On Apr 07, 2019 |
HardMirror:This coming from my dear and only Hardmirror, I am disappointed! Why? Because you know the Bible more than most other atheist here and I don't know if you have a single case like that you describe in the Bible. The thing you describe occurs only in horror movies. "One man claimed to have turned into a ....." Is that not a deliberate misinformation? The uploader of the video captioned it as: "Man turned into Lion" is more appropriate. |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by shadeyinka(m): 2:49pm On Apr 07, 2019 |
HardMirror:All are acting is your conclusion!? It would be terrific if hardmirror can go to scoan, collect evidence of payment and put to shame permanently the ministry of deliverance. Is it even feasible to pay almost 50 people every week to act and you won't have several dozens of blackmailings every year. I hope you know that it's difficult to recycle deliverance acting. And Jim Iyke too was paid!? This ministry must be desperate! |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by shadeyinka(m): 2:53pm On Apr 07, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:I don't know what you are up to. Are you an atheist? |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by MuttleyLaff: 3:10pm On Apr 07, 2019 |
shadeyinka:Stale question. "Bi oo ba mọ okun, shey oo je iyọ lọbe ni, bi oo ba tie mọ erin, shey oo gbọhun erin ni?" sighs. Loosely translated means "Even if you dont know about oceans, havent you had salt in food yet. If you dont know an elephant, cant you decipher an elephant's trumpet sound hmm?" I am not an atheist, and please stop keep on repeatedly asking me this tired old question you keep on doing asking me 1 Like |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by shadeyinka(m): 3:20pm On Apr 07, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff: You sound bitter: I don't know why? Who are you then? What's your belief? Maybe you are confusing some of us. |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by Shepherd00: 3:41pm On Apr 07, 2019 |
shadeyinka:Wait, you have not realized that he is demon possessed? Demons hides and tries by all means to make their host deny their existence |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by Shepherd00: 3:50pm On Apr 07, 2019 |
NPComplete:So, when he came out crying later that he was used, how much did he say he was paid to play the part? |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by shadeyinka(m): 3:55pm On Apr 07, 2019 |
Shepherd00:Of course, I agree with you. Even though demons are in control, once in a while sanity speaks reason into their heads. Peradventure God will use this to open their eyes. Up till now, there are only two very lame excuse: one it is an acting and two it is hypnosis/mental problem. |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by Shepherd00: 3:58pm On Apr 07, 2019 |
NPComplete:Two bolded contradicts you. 1. You maintain that he was paid (Certain) 2. You are sure that 'He was likely paid. Which one is it? He was certainly paid or he was likely paid? |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by Shepherd00: 4:19pm On Apr 07, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:You don't believe in demon possession too? |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by Shepherd00: 4:22pm On Apr 07, 2019 |
shadeyinka:It's hard to place that guy. He quotes the Bible but he doesn't believe in the Workings of the Holy Spirit which begins with Holy Ghost baptism evidenced in speaking in tongues. He does not believe in miracles. He doesn't believe in Tithing and now he doesn't believe in demon possession, but he stands firmly for HOMOSEXUALITY. What a Christian. |
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