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Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by MuttleyLaff: 9:34pm On Apr 10, 2019 |
petra1:Nwanne, long time, but I am sorry, you can tell that to the marines |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by shadeyinka(m): 5:16am On Apr 11, 2019 |
frank317:I can see that you are sincere. I can't see any evidence of a new life from Jim Iyke either. But it's not an unusual occurrence. I used Iyke as an example out of several hundreds I could have used because it solves a major problem of Atheists. If you didn't know the example then you'll say he was a paid actor or a weak willed man. Etc. The will of man is stronger than anything. When a prisoner who doesn't want to be set free is freed anyway, what does he do? He gets himself into the next available crime and make sure he is caught and sent back to prison. Does Jim Iyke want to be free from any demon? I doubt it (he is rich, famous and healthy) why should he want to remain free. If I showed you videos of Deliverances leading to a permanent lasting change, would it make a difference? I can promise you any number you want (on YouTube) |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by shadeyinka(m): 6:54am On Apr 11, 2019 |
LordReed:Just watch the video and listen to the report of John Sarfran's crew. The fact that Sarfran refuses to speak about an ordinary satirical comedy shows that it's something he'll rather want to forget and bury forever. Thats not how you treat Something of no value. Who is Sarfran trying to protect by not speaking? His audiences or himself!? |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by LordReed(m): 12:05pm On Apr 11, 2019 |
shadeyinka: You have not answered the question, how can we be certain and conclude that Safran is not being his extremist self. I mean this is someone who got himself crucified, why would I think he can't play the part of a "demon possessed" person with all seriousness? The onus is on you to show that your conclusion is correct cos as it is there is sufficient reason to think otherwise. 2 Likes |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by shadeyinka(m): 4:34pm On Apr 11, 2019 |
triplechoice:Good to know that you are no atheist. I assumed you were. But I have a feeling that you are skeptical of miracles and that is understandable because there are so many commercial entertainers and scam artists who call thy pastors. Not withstanding, the availability of fakes or clones mean there are originals. Every born again Christian can do deliverance if they have enough faith and desire to do it. The difference would be in terms of speed, scope and depth of deliverance. I know because I have done a little myself. If you have any questions about this, I'll be willing to respond. You are bent on calling it hypnosis even though you know the normal basic rules of hypnosis are not involved. If I understand you well, you think it's an advanced form of hypnotism. Is is not amazing if all over the world, we have highly educated specialists who have performed countless number of hypnotism on people like Dr. John Kappas. If you check carefully in Christian Deliverances 1. The subject seem to volunteer answers to questions 2. They seem to be violent, fearful and most tiles aggressive. 3. Their report seems to have a very strong correlation with events in the subjects real life. 4. Many times, healings and an overall transformation accompany the deliverance. 5. The subjects seem not to need any preparation to get them into a hypnotic state. If it's just hypnotism, it's not expected to produce an after effect permanent results does it? I want you to see these Advanced Hypnosis and comment. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7a5P1V8cHA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_0VYnAv8v8 The normal me is inquisitive: if it is an advanced form of Hypnosis, I want to see patterns. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHWR1x8v414 Did demons exist in Africa before the advent of Christianity? YES! How did our forefathers solve such problems? They use methods such as 1. Appeasement 2. Adoption of a stronger demon 3. Submission In Christ however only one method is permissible: EVICTION About Catholics, even though I am no Catholic, Deliverance does take place in Catholic church. The problem seems to be the administrative bureaucracies involved. A seriously minute fraction of the priests are able to do Deliverance and you have to get the direct authorization of the Pope before it can be performed. Thirdly, they have systematically turned it into unnecessary ritualistic activities |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by shadeyinka(m): 4:39pm On Apr 11, 2019 |
LordReed:I told you. Google is your friend. Find out the reaction of his crew members. The exorcism was supposed to be a joke which got out of hand. In all other series you watch as he rolls out the conclusions with excitement. This last one was different. He himself said that he couldn't remember anything that happened during his Deliverance. If it was an act, shouldn't he remember? |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by LordReed(m): 5:47pm On Apr 11, 2019 |
shadeyinka: I can't find anything about his crew's reaction, link what you have. |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by shadeyinka(m): 6:15pm On Apr 11, 2019 |
LordReed:It's in the making of the video. Let me see if I can also find it for you |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by petra1(m): 6:26pm On Apr 11, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff: 1 Corinthians 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by Shepherd00: 6:36pm On Apr 11, 2019 |
budaatum:I wish I read this. But, sorry, I don't care. |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by MuttleyLaff: 6:36pm On Apr 11, 2019 |
petra1:The bible in Matthew 24:24 says: "For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders that would deceive even the elect, if that were possible." petra1, you are not alone, you're in company with the likes of shadeyinka, who also famzings TB Joshua. One day, one day, monkey go go market, no go return back, is TB Joshua own. Mark it down, no be curse ooo. 1 Like |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by shadeyinka(m): 6:56pm On Apr 11, 2019 |
shadeyinka: LordReed: Couldn't find the video but I found a link that made s reference to the crew member http://forums.vogue.com.au/?showthread.php&t=40233 They turned the camera around to one of the crew who said that he'd never seen John like that before and he seemed a bit freaked out too. |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by shadeyinka(m): 7:12pm On Apr 11, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:Sorry for offending you. Can you please share one or two authentic Deliverances here for atheists to see and learn. The fact that I used scoan video is because it is readily available. The thread is NOT designed to promote any man of God or ministry. I am happy at least that some of the atheists here on NL can confirm that something weird happens during deliverance season. They can't seem to agree however that it is demons. At least, they are closer to my goal. They are forced to think I pray that God will continue to speak to them even when the thread expires. Shalom. |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by MuttleyLaff: 7:39pm On Apr 11, 2019 |
shadeyinka:Nwanne keep the sorry for yourself because 10 billions of you can never offend me shadeyinka:To what end nwanne? For what purpose huh? Now you are beginning to behave nwanne, as if you are not familiar with ending part of the parable of the rich man and Lazarus. shadeyinka:Nwanne, did anyone force Nicodemus before he came, under the cloak of darkness, to acknowledge who Jesus is and admit to recognising the demonstration of the power God by Jesus, by saying: "we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs you are doing if God were not with him" Nwanne, you cant force things, you cant hurry up things, you cant force anything on nobagar, you cant force the working of the Holy Spirit. It is only the Holy Spirit that can convict of truth nwanne. It is the Holy Spirit's work to convict, it's up to God to ultimately judge, its yours and my work to love |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by shadeyinka(m): 7:52pm On Apr 11, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:....not one bit disappointed in you! |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by MuttleyLaff: 7:53pm On Apr 11, 2019 |
shadeyinka:What is this supposed to mean please? |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by shadeyinka(m): 7:55pm On Apr 11, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:Nothing! Except that I've learnt to read you |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by MuttleyLaff: 8:16pm On Apr 11, 2019 |
shadeyinka:It was the same with me about Paul. Ah I remember, I used to hate Paul, I used to say, who does Paul think he is, who the foxtrot uniform charlie kilo is Paul, just like luvmijeje I used to look at Paul and read his epistle using the wrong end of the telescope but then, when I learned that Paul has a peculiar way and/or style of writing, everything changed. My whole perpective about Paul changed after that epiphany. Just like Peter, I learned the hard way, that Paul's comments are hard to understand, and those who are ignorant and unstable have twisted his letters to mean something quite different, just as they do with other parts of the Bible still and today. |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by shadeyinka(m): 8:35pm On Apr 11, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:I hear you. Your nicest post in a long while! |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by MuttleyLaff: 8:42pm On Apr 11, 2019 |
shadeyinka:Forgive me, if I ever have come across has offending you in the past. I am sorry, just that my bark is worse than my bite. Truth be told, I hardly and rarely bite. There is nothing personal, it just so happens, that I am prone to calling a spade a spade, and not a fork. I say things as they are and without mincing words sometimes. There are no sacred cows and I dont mind whose ox is gored, when and/or if things need to be said the way they are, especially when heavyweights and loyal opposition insufferable atheists are involved 1 Like |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by shadeyinka(m): 8:46pm On Apr 11, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:No offense at all. Shalom unto you |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by MuttleyLaff: 9:06pm On Apr 11, 2019 |
shadeyinka:"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God." - Matthew 5:9 2 Likes |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by frank317: 9:30pm On Apr 11, 2019 |
shadeyinka:Why is it not unusual. I think it is unusual. A treatment of common cough shows a difference in behavior, how much more deliverance from spiritual wife who is a great spiritual serpent, and who is a demon... Common. Using Jim messed up ur case in my opinion. The guys statements afterwards showed TB and his crew wasted his time. There was a show with on reasonable effect. Any prisoner that does not want to be set free has mental problem. Does Jim have a mental problem? Have u seen anyone with malaria that does not want to be healed? Its only when it comes to spiritual things that u guys make nonsense out of nonsense. Lol...u are funny. So rich and famous people like spiritual demons in them. Well, u also have a point... Who will follow Jesus and remain poor when he can have a spiritual demon and be rich and famous. So TB wanted Jim to be poor and unknown?
Show me an atheist deliverance that led to a lasting difference in behavior. It might not change a thing, but after I poke holes and see none, I will admit. |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by LordReed(m): 9:55pm On Apr 11, 2019 |
shadeyinka: From the page you linked: It was such a weird / interesting episdode... i was left at the end thinking... so was that real or was john just being himself by doing some crazy acting thing? There just isn't any way to simply watch the video and conclude Safron wasn't acting. Read this analysis of the video: Watch it again, but this time pay close attention to the body language of both John and Bob. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by shadeyinka(m): 10:46pm On Apr 11, 2019 |
LordReed:What you are saying is that John Sarfran is weak willed. I find that extremely difficult to believe: that a man who placed himself over to crucifixion, who had gone through worse Voodoo rituals now having PANIC attacks!? You'll need to do a lot more to convince me. If he was acting, how come he couldn't remember much of what happened in the Deliverance exercise? Who should we believe more: A crew member who was part of the program and saw the unedited episode OR An atheist like you trying hard to debunk a 15 minutes video clip? You tell me! One of the crew said that he'd never seen John like that before and he seemed a bit freaked out too And the crew member acted being freeked out too. Find better excuse 1 Like |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by shadeyinka(m): 11:23pm On Apr 11, 2019 |
frank317:You guys would always amaze me First, it's all acting by the man of God who hired his clients Then I presented Jim Iyke: It wasn't acting again but the next thing is: find an atheist or a Jew who is demonized Then I gave you John Sarfran: who is both a Jew and an atheist Now, you want me to find you another Atheist! YOU, go to SCOAN and document your experience! |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by budaatum: 11:36pm On Apr 11, 2019 |
Shepherd00:O, you read it Shepherd. You have no choice whatsoever in that matter but to read it. 1 Like |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by budaatum: 11:41pm On Apr 11, 2019 |
shadeyinka:We are saying the opposite. That John Sarfran is so strong willed that he can act and convince you he is having a panic attack, be possessed and be exorcised of it while all along he is making fun of you but you don't seem to see that he is. That's how strong willed John Sarfran is. 2 Likes |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by frank317: 11:44pm On Apr 11, 2019 |
shadeyinka: you really amaze me too... the Jim's case u presented is like a mockery to ur case. JIM's life after delivery shows the delivery was a waste of time... get me an atheist deliverance that shows a significant after and before deliverance life. Sarfran has been shown to be a joke. i am sorry both examples are just a mockery to your whole deliverance thingy... that u fail to see this is what amazes me. sorry, are u sure u are okay? 1 Like |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by shadeyinka(m): 5:17am On Apr 12, 2019 |
frank317:You don't surprise me at all. You're always predictable. Your fundermental coping mechanism is still the same. At least Sarfran wasn't afraid to go for a deliverance! I've just told you what to do, carry your camera and go for a deliverance at scoan and make a documentary. Wouldn't it be nice: HEADLINE: T.B Joshua's fake deliverance fails over me:frank317 Sorry, two of you would have to make the shooting: documenting each others experience. SMH |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by Nobody: 7:52am On Apr 12, 2019 |
Cc. Frank317, LordReed, Dantedasz et al "Possession" only seems to occur within religions that embrace the idea that it can happen. "Possession" also seems to take place among people who are highly susceptible and are overly-pious. It seems that when the mind starts to twist due to other factors, the environment in which the subject is contributes to the phenomenon. I keep coming back here and haven't seen anything yet in this thread from Shadeyinka thus far that has made me retract the above statement. Rather than bumping the thread repeating the same arguments, this thread should be closed. Really, its a shock how this thread hasn't died already 1 Like |
Re: IAmSabrina : Please Check This Out by LordReed(m): 8:35am On Apr 12, 2019 |
shadeyinka: Don't get it twisted, we are not the ones trying to convince you; it is you who is trying to convince us while we show you reasons why we aren't convinced this is anything more than Safran's usual tactics. A person who can voluntarily have himself crucified is not a weak-willed person and like budaatum pointed out, he is strong willed enough to convincingly fake being demon possessed while also sustaining the appearance of seriousness after the fact. You have presented nothing that will allow us to conclude that Safran wasn't being his usual extremist self. 1 Like |
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