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Re: Mercedes Benz Thread by kuntash: 2:14pm On Nov 22, 2013 |
Ikenna351: Ikenna the peugeot expert.... even though this is benz, I believe most internal combustion cooling system are somewhat conventional, they are just too similar... even with diesel engines.. Toyota camry, Benz, BMW, Ford Focus, .....their cooling follow same pattern... Ikenna, you are tempting me with this ur 406 o!.... I almost made up my mind about it some few months back... would look more @ that your thread now, because I am noticing more of Peugeot around |
Re: Mercedes Benz Thread by eagleeye2: 2:42pm On Nov 22, 2013 |
Ikenna351:Ik, am sorry to distract you. but can you give me a fair estimate of how much a Toyata Sienna engine 98 model cost? I may need to buy one soon. Thanks. |
Re: Mercedes Benz Thread by Ikenna351(m): 3:01pm On Nov 22, 2013 |
kuntash: Similar ? Yes, but not identical. For example, Peugeots have bleed valves for their cooling systems, while some car brands don't. Like the ES9J4S in my 406 V6, the cooling system has 3 bleed valves. Meaning, no matter how stubborn a trapped air in the cooling system is by refusing to go out, it will easily be bled out at any of the 3 bleed valves at different locations. And Peugeot cooling system is bled when engine is not running and when engine is cold. But for some brands, the engine have to be running while bleeding the cooling system, especially those without bleed valves, i think. Some, as i read, the front end need to be jacked up while bleeding the cooling system. My point is, benz may a different or better method of troubleshooting its cooling system, which i do not know of. @ aikerism, If you are replacing the thermostat (if you still have one there, that is), make sure you bleed the cooling system. The clowns that remove thermostat have a way of making you feel bad going against their suggestions. A cooling system without thermostat can tolerate air lock/air in the system without overheating, unless you are stuck in a traffic jam for a long time, since the water pump will be circulating the fluid from engine to radiator and back to engine continuously, since there is no obstruction anymore, and the constant spinning of the fan will help in preventing the boiling of the fluid. But with thermostat in, there will be obstruction. And with air behind the thermostat in the cylinder head, the trapped air will immediately boil uncontrollably and then the overheating starts. Thats why when they warn you against re-installing the thermostat and you insist, they will install it like you ask without proper bleeding or no bleeding at all. Few minutes as soon as you drive out, you will drive back with some sorry face "You told me so!". Find out how to bleed benz cooling system and do it yourself or insist they do it properly, after re-installing the thermostat. Good luck. Ikenna 1 Like |
Re: Mercedes Benz Thread by eagleeye2: 3:06pm On Nov 22, 2013 |
Re: Mercedes Benz Thread by inze(m): 3:58pm On Nov 22, 2013 |
kuntash: @kuntash I have the wahler thermostat on a 1995 C180 Benz, though the fan comes on immediately at start-up I have never had an issue of over-heating, no matter how long am stuck in traffic. (AC always ON). It's almost 5yrs and not a single overheat issue. What's ur take on that? |
Re: Mercedes Benz Thread by kuntash: 5:21pm On Nov 22, 2013 |
inze: ^^^ that's where I have issue. smthn is not right going by what u just said there. the electric fan only should kick in - when AC is turned on and engine already at running temp. - when temp exceeds 100deg centigrade. it enters emergency mode and u would here a full blast of the fan. - when your temp sensor is faulty and cannot tell the ecu the right temp, e.g when wires doesnt make contact etc....... bad wire harness . - finally when our rewire must have bypassed the fan module and get power from your alternator. |
Re: Mercedes Benz Thread by aikerism(m): 9:15pm On Nov 22, 2013 |
I have checked it out. I do have a thermostat afterall but it most likely has failed, it is a whaler brand... The mechanic disconnected the socket and the temp gauge pin droped to the minimum, he then used a wire to connect the socket to one other place and the guage pin shot up to the maximum... Hmmmm! I will have it replaced but I couldn't do it today and am leaving town for a few days, so I will tackle the thermostat issue on my return! Am grateful to you all my brothers from another BENZ Thanks to you Ikenna (my namesake) |
Re: Mercedes Benz Thread by danadam(m): 4:00pm On Nov 23, 2013 |
[quote author=smartchoice]wow okay I will give you some one's number in Lagos but can't/don't want to post it here without his permission....but I'd send it to you if you can post your email/fone here I called Mr C****** in lagos and he gave me a price of 110k. However, I did make initial payment through another source and it was delivered on Wednesday. I drove straight to the workshop this morning and changed them. the ride now feels smoother and accelerate faster. I also checked the alignment to save my new tyres from any unnecessary wear. pics coming soon... 1 Like |
Re: Mercedes Benz Thread by danadam(m): 4:46pm On Nov 23, 2013 |
The pictures pix 1 shows the new shaft purchased in lagos at a price of 130k and transportation expenses 5k totaling a sum of 135k. pix 2.. The machanic trying to remove the old shaft pix 3.. The culprit. The old driver side (left) shaft that makes the clicking sound pix 4.. Checking out the alignment. 1 Like
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Re: Mercedes Benz Thread by Ikenna351(m): 7:26pm On Nov 23, 2013 |
aikerism: I have checked it out. I do have a thermostat afterall but it most likely has failed, it is a whaler brand... The mechanic disconnected the socket and the temp gauge pin droped to the minimum, he then used a wire to connect the socket to one other place and the guage pin shot up to the maximum... Hmmmm! Is like you want to join the mechanic in performing Circus show in your engine bay, because it appears two of you have mistaken temperature switch with thermostat. Thermostat has no wiring connector or socket. It pure mechanical. Ikenna |
Re: Mercedes Benz Thread by Rick9(m): 12:05am On Nov 24, 2013 |
Benz M Class or E Class Or C Class |
Re: Mercedes Benz Thread by aikerism(m): 7:13am On Nov 24, 2013 |
Ikenna351: Yes its pure metal parts and its there... My mistake was with the temperature switch. I travelled out of Abuja but once am back I will sort out the switch and thermostat issue so I can have a normal running temp for once...
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Re: Mercedes Benz Thread by kuntash: 7:50am On Nov 24, 2013 |
Rick9: Benz M Class or E Class Or C Class buy the three, they fall into different needs.. ML-350, E320, C280, C220 or C240 1 Like |
Re: Mercedes Benz Thread by aikerism(m): 3:02pm On Nov 24, 2013 |
kuntash: You are so on point... |
Re: Mercedes Benz Thread by aikerism(m): 4:30pm On Nov 24, 2013 |
Squeaky Clean...
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Re: Mercedes Benz Thread by aikerism(m): 4:54pm On Nov 24, 2013 |
I downloaded a video on how to remove the seats and the centre console for a thorough clean... Pics soon... |
Re: Mercedes Benz Thread by auhanson(m): 6:36pm On Nov 24, 2013 |
ziccoit: Yes you are right too. C180 get that low because of the little horsepower, but you can achieve the equivalent of the:c200, c230 by stepping up your tuning, on the contrary, it will take less fuel because it wouldnt struggle to make movement anymore, the reason it took that low. I discovered that in the process of setting mine . I now enjoy good mpg and perfomance all round |
Re: Mercedes Benz Thread by auhanson(m): 6:42pm On Nov 24, 2013 |
inze: Yes it is low because the engine is perfect, if it perform optimally at that level; no rough idling;picks ac well and no dragging. But i'm not comfortable with the temperature reading , there's something wrong with the thermostat reading; you may be having a wrong temp thermostat there, the right thing should be 87 degrees centigrade. You have to check that too soon to maintain that nice engine of yours else... |
Re: Mercedes Benz Thread by Eyop: 7:13pm On Nov 24, 2013 |
aikerism: Squeaky Clean... Chief your vehicle is superb i must confess |
Re: Mercedes Benz Thread by ziccoit: 7:42pm On Nov 24, 2013 |
au.hanson: Hmm. I have similar issue too. The coolant gauge always stands at 76- 80 degrees Celsius. I also noticed my radiator fan always kick in and stays on about 5-8s after I start the engine. I heard this might be related to the faulty automatic A/C heater control unit. This is what I need to replace as soon as I get one. @au.hanson, kindly help me source for the part (automatic A/C heater control unit) in your area if you don't mind. I'll appreciate. Thanks sir. |
Re: Mercedes Benz Thread by Nobody: 8:07pm On Nov 24, 2013 |
Sorry have been busy, just seeing your post. wow ok...so you chose 135k instead of 110k why? Hope you ride is okay now? [quote author=danadam][/quote] |
Re: Mercedes Benz Thread by danadam(m): 9:42pm On Nov 24, 2013 |
[quote author=smartchoice]Sorry have been busy, just seeing your post. wow ok...so you chose 135k instead of 110k why? Hope you ride is okay now? I needed the ride back in shape as fast as possible so I couldn't wait for the price confirmation. Anyway, I believe there's likely to be slight differences depending on the grade/quality of the shaft. The ride is now VERY OKAY. I will be goin to yola (over 600km from kano) soon and hopefully it's gonna be a fun drive to & fro. Thanks for the assistance, I appreciate. 1 Like |
Re: Mercedes Benz Thread by Nobody: 11:09pm On Nov 24, 2013 |
You're welcome.... [quote author=danadam][/quote] |
Re: Mercedes Benz Thread by auhanson(m): 12:53am On Nov 25, 2013 |
ziccoit: I will my dear, but give me a little while to come out of the "grub". My hands are really full, just that i cant resist nairaland. However are you really sure that that is the problem? Because what you state looks like something of a wrong thermostat temperature range. Have you taken time to actually look at your thermostat rating? |
Re: Mercedes Benz Thread by auhanson(m): 8:56am On Nov 25, 2013 |
Ikenna351: @ Ikenna, if i may add to your contributions, my experience with Benz c180 without a thermostat(thermostat removed) will definitely overheat at holdup. Also, after installing the thermostat, do not lock the little returning hose not until you see the water spill out of the return pipe with force(that is bleeding in Benz). Before then too, as you are pouring the water, be pressing(suction) the bigger hose that terminate at the radiator head and check the water level again to gauge as the car is idling . |
Re: Mercedes Benz Thread by ziccoit: 9:45am On Nov 25, 2013 |
au.hanson: Thank u chief. You may be right. In front of the car when the bonnet is opened, there is a sticker there that shows a thermometer with temp ranging between 60-80 degree celsius. Which means the thermostat might have been average of 75 degree Celsius. In addition to this, I check the thermostat housing, inscribed on it is WHALER and A111 203 08 75 MADE IN GERMANY. This is buttressing the fact that the WHALER thermostat installed might be of 71 degree celsius. I started the engine, waited for like 8mins for temp to reach 78 degree celsius and I opened the hood. Upper hose of the thermostat was very hot couple with the fact that the radiator fan kicked started and stayed on as soon as I started the engine. I read it here that when WHALER thermostat fails, it does so in opened state so that the coolant keep on flowing no matter the engine temperature making the engine run cold. Since I still able to get ave temp of 71 degree celsius I want believe the thermostat is still functioning but wrongly ranged as you said. QUESTIONS: 1. How can one explain the radiator fan that kicks in and stays on as soon as engine is started? It runs at high speed with annoying sound (windy sound). 2. Why the radiator fan doesn't allow the temperature to go above the thermostat range before it kicks in? |
Re: Mercedes Benz Thread by pafestula(m): 4:19pm On Nov 25, 2013 |
Hello house, please I need your candid opinion on this issue that has been bordering me and a friend. A friend of mine just purchased 1999 A160 from Cotonou, the guy that delivered the car to him from Cotonou changed the follow come engine oil and the gear oil to unknown gear oil, but he said the engine oil was changed to Mobil oil which he couldn't tell us the actual Mobil oil he used, based on his excuses that the car has over stayed in Cotonou before my friend purchased it... Now my questions:- 1. What effect would this gear oil caused later? 2. What is the next step of action? 3. Then how about the availability of the spare parts for this car? because I got same type of car for my wife recently, which am also concerned about where to be getting the original spare for this car? Thanks |
Re: Mercedes Benz Thread by ziccoit: 4:46pm On Nov 25, 2013 |
pafestula: Hello house, please I need your candid opinion on this issue that has been bordering a friend. As for your concerns 1 and 2, just pack the car, look for the mb recommended engine and gearbox fluids, drain the systems off those unknown fluids and replace with MB recommended fluid. I know engine oil should be mobil 1. You don't tell us the type of gear that comes with the car. As for 3, I don't know. |
Re: Mercedes Benz Thread by pafestula(m): 4:55pm On Nov 25, 2013 |
ziccoit:automatic transmission Bro! |
Re: Mercedes Benz Thread by ziccoit: 6:29am On Nov 26, 2013 |
pafestula: automatic transmission Bro! I believe it should be 5-SP 722.6xx transmission. Just look for the mb recommended transmission fluid. Those auto tranny boxes hate abuse o. I have similar issue when the agent poured Dextrom III into my gearbox. He thought the fluid was low. I didn't know how he arrived at that since they don't come with dipstick. May be via an eyes gauge. Lol. Yet to change mine but I don't drive the car for now until I remove the trans oil and pour the recommended mb fluid. Good transmission fluid is like blood to human which they say is life. Suffice to tell you that the transmission works wonderfully well, very smooth, no hesitation. The moment I engage drive and lift my leg off the brake the car moves. No symptoms, nothing. Yet I believe I have to go the manufacturer ways, at least as far as transmission fluid is concerned, because they don't like abuse. Good luck. |
Re: Mercedes Benz Thread by pafestula(m): 8:58am On Nov 26, 2013 |
ziccoit:Thanks Ziccoit, I dont know why the house is keeping mute over this matter.. at least someone should tell us the best he/she is using.. |
Re: Mercedes Benz Thread by Trac: 4:23am On Nov 27, 2013 |
ziccoit: Failed thermostat! The answer has been thoroughly answered [earlier-on] in this thread. In addition to what the thread reflects on your issue: check your tensioner. If it's weak, use a lower thermostat (that is 85degC). The service can be deferred for a few years (if it's not critical). I don't recommend this approach but it's best than service job improperly done. |
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