All you haters of God can continue to sat as much rubbish as you want
When the bishop was starting and things were hard many taught it to be madness to continue the work but he never relented in his love for God and his work ,
Now that he is being rewarded financially many lazy fools are claiming that its their tithe.
Just keep insulting men of God,when you discover that you are living a frustrated life,remember that this is what you did.

jesusjnr:
I'm not surprised either that you are not just a mammon worshipper but a confused one at that.

For your "sound dumb" comment didn't refer to the messenger, Lol!

Such a confused mammon worshipper indeed!

What you sow, you deserve to reap.

Bros

what is the issue u have with oyedepo?
i listen to his sermons and have not found anything wrong with things he preach.

can i understand ur point of view, maybe there is something i don't see

just a honest question, i'd appreciate if you can respond. Thanks

kentebemoney:


Bros

what is the issue u have with oyedepo?
i listen to his sermons and have not found anything wrong with things he preach.

can i understand ur point of view, maybe there is something i don't see

just a honest question, i'd appreciate if you can respond. Thanks

I really hope you honestly want the truth, because if you say you haven't found anything wrong with his doctrine, and you claim to be a follower of Christ, and a part of His church, then it's a very bad sign I must say.

For it is contrary to the doctrine of Christ's and if it were the church that Jesus founded, with the likes of Peter and John, his doctrine wouldn't have stood a chance in that church, for it would be immediately trashed, because it is the doctrine of mammon.

I'm not going to go far with this, because you'd have to prove that you really want to know the Truth by going to the teachings of Jesus, and putting it side by side with not just his but most of the doctrines of today's church, and you'd see why today's church doesn't have the backing of God, as the church that Jesus founded did.

For God cannot back the doctrines that are not His but of men.

Peace.

jesusjnr:
I really hope you honestly want the truth, because if you say you haven't found anything wrong with his doctrine, and you claim to be a follower of Christ, and a part of His church, then it's a very bad sign I must say.

For it is contrary to the doctrine of Christ's and if it were the church that Jesus founded, with the likes of Peter and John, his doctrine wouldn't have stood a chance in that church, for it would be immediately trashed, because it is the doctrine of mammon.

I'm not going to go far with this, because you'd have to prove that you really want to know the Truth by going to the teachings of Jesus, and putting it side by side with not just his but most of the doctrines of today's church, and you'd see why today's church doesn't have the backing of God, as the church that Jesus founded did.

For God cannot back the doctrines that are not His but of men.

Peace.

Am asking honestly, and why i ask is that, i was once a stunch critic of the bishop, coming from a deeperlife background nothing then about living faith appeal to me, i judge them from thier dressing, to the school(covenant uni) etc.
untili decided to listen and listen well to find loopholes but all i got was more understanding of how to live a fufilled christian life.

please u can take the issue one by one and please let me know whr u think he is misleading people like me.

*salvation
*santification
*faith
*giving(e.g Tithing, sacrificial giving etc)
and any other one i did not mention.

Thanks God Bless

kentebemoney:

Am asking honestly, and why i ask is that, i was once a stunch critic of the bishop, coming from a deeperlife background nothing then about living faith appeal to me, i judge them from thier dressing, to the school(covenant uni) etc.
untili decided to listen and listen well to find loopholes but all i got was more understanding of how to live a fufilled christian life.

please u can take the issue one by one and please let me know whr u think he is misleading people like me.

*salvation
*santification
*faith
*giving(e.g Tithing, sacrificial giving etc)
and any other one i did not mention.

Thanks God Bless

It's obvious that there are many doctrines these days, and that of the deeper life is just one of them, but there's a doctrine that supercedes every other doctrine of the church, and it is the doctrine of Jesus the Master and Lord of the church.

Hence I said you should put it side by side the doctrine of Oyedepo or any other doctrines, and
compare, for this was how I was able to find the error in the teachings of Oyedepo and also the deeper life Bible church, and others.

For instance in the deeper life, the emphasis placed on dressing and outward appearance is not in sync with the doctrine of Jesus which places such emphasis on the heart, but at the same time it was clearly obvious that they were much closer to the doctrine of Jesus than that of the likes of Oyedepo.

You know what yardstick you used to come to the conclusion that his teachings make one come to the understanding of living a fulfilled christian life, and as I've said before, I'd say it again that it is not a very good sign knowing what I already know.

But at the end of the day you'd not be judged by me or you or Oyedepo etc., but by how you followed the teachings of Jesus because He's the perfect Master who holds the keys to eternal life.

So that's what I'd ask you to do first of all, so tha if his teachings which you obviously embraced tallies with the teachings of Jesus, then you have nothing to worry about because it's all about what the Master says.

But as for me whose mindset has become shaped by Christ's teachings, it's very obvious that Oyedepo's doctrine is no more different from that of the Pharisees who Jesus rebuked severally and warned His disciples to beware of, and hence my stance concerning him.

Peace.

Love him or hate him, the Bishop is a success. It pays to serve Jesus.

ehissi:


When you don't read the bible, things like what you just typed will seem to make sense.....

A simple google search of how many times God swore in the bible would have spared us this misguided comment.....

But then again, variety of comments is the spice of Nairaland....

Continuu

God swearing just to make a man rich? To me I think it's just to trivial for a God to do such.

lomprico:


God swearing just to make a man rich? To me I think it's just to trivial for a God to do such.

Did God not swear by himself, as there was nothing greater than him that he will make Abraham great, because Abraham almost offered his only Son whom he loved as a sacrifice just because God said he should do it (even though God never wanted/needed it, He wanted to see what abraham will do, he eventually gave Abraham a lamb to sacrifice in place of his Son).

Attend Sunday school in church, you might learn a thing or two.....

Image123:
Love him or hate him

Oyedepo is like Marmite alright. You love Marmite or hate Marmite.

Image123:
the Bishop is a success

Ah well, I do know there are two kinds of successes, there is good success and bad success. I also know that someone may seem to be successful, but that's not a guarantee that, it is at all good success. Probably then, it could, in the real sense, be bad success. I am just saying ni ooo Image123.

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It pays to serve Jesus.

It pays to serve Jesus with a conscience

ehissi:


Did God not swear by himself, as there was nothing greater than him that he will make Abraham great, because Abraham almost offered his only Son whom he loved as a sacrifice just because God said he should do it (even though God never wanted/needed it, He wanted to see what abraham will do, he eventually gave Abraham a lamb to sacrifice in place of his Son).

Attend Sunday school in church, you might learn a thing or two.....

So a car is now equal to a human being in God's eyes?

lomprico:


So a car is now equal to a human being in God's eyes?

God is the better person to address this your questìon to......

But I am of the opinion that it is not how much value God places on it but on the value we place on it.

When He demanded Isaac of Abraham, He even said it, "take thy Son, thy only Son whom though loveth".

An indicator to the possibility that, Isaac as far as Abraham was concerned was his most valuable possession in the midst of all his wealth.

Funny enough, he just got the child from God after waiting for more than a decade, if not more, only for God to ask him to offer the child as a sacrifice. Doesn't that look like wickedness?


The bible says that Abraham journeyed 3 whole days to the point where the sacrifice was to be made, he didn't turn back nor hestitate.

When you consider that Abraham had that child in his very old age (somewhere over 90yrs of age), that child was valuable to him......


Oyedepo at a time in his life had just an OND, and literally came up from squalor to glamour. For someone who at one time in his life, was eating cereal with his wife meant for the baby for 3 days because there was no food, if that person ever mistakenly buy/own a car his life, them no need to tell you how valuable that car will be to him, have you met a very hungry/poor accountant before?


Kenneth Hagin of blessed memory once spoke of a time when God asked him to give a random preacher that came to squat with him money, that money was money he had been saving for over a year to finally have an actual christmas holiday for the first time in almost like never for himself and his family.

That preacher was enroute to a city where he was going to do manual labour to raise money for a bible school he wanted to attend.

After he escorted him to where the preacher was to take the next transportation to leave town, Hagin unhappily gave the preacher the money....


Many years later, according to Kenneth Hagin's testimony (me I was not there oooo), Hagin claimed that God reminded him of that money, how?


He followed his wife to do hospital visitation of a lady that had stage 4 cancer in another city, Doctors had allegedly given her a few months to live.


Kenneth Hagin said the Lord asked him to pray for her, way deep down in his heart he was confused, because he didn't know what to pray for, Farewell abi safe journey prayer?


Because the Lady in question had so emaciated to a point where prayer at this point felt like just another religious exercise.


But at a point his wife for some reason left the room briefly and he summoned up courage to pray and in his own words, he perceived an atmosphere lift from that room like a spirit, in his own words, he grabbed the bed and prayed and left....


About a few weeks later, word got to him that she was healed, he just felt it was just another person trying to blindly and foolishly believe, hoping something will happen.


He that prayed for her didn't believe until he saw her with his own two eyes, she had put on weight and travelled from her city to attend service in his own parish.


He was overjoyed, thankful, wooow, it felt good for God to use him to bless a lady at the point of death. In trying to make sense of it all, he said God asked him, if he remembered the preacher who came to squat in his house that he gave his holiday saving money, he eventually remembered.


At that point, he claimed God asked him, which is easier of the two for you to do, to give that preacher that money or to pray for this woman?


In his own understanding of what the Lord was trying to teach him, "a man who is faithful in little will be faithful in much".

That scripture is often used to teach people about management of resources but in this case, Hagin used it to teach about instruction.....

If you have faith to obey God to do things are actually in your power to do, it will be easier for you to have faith to obey God to do things that you actually have no power of your own to do.

If He cant send you message, where the variables are 100% under your control and have you listen what makes you think if He sends you message to do big things that may sound ridiculous, silly and unconventional and variables are 100% out of your control that you will even attempt to do it?

While in the East, a brother in Deeper life sold his Okada and give the money to the church for an on-going building project. He was a jobless graduate and the Okada is his only sustenance then. Few Months later, he got an appointment with an Oil company. how this happen is still a mystery.

It pays to serve Jesus.

Ochoiho:
While in the East, a brother in Deeper life sold his Okada and give the money to the church for an on-going building project. He was a jobless graduate and the Okada is his only sustenance then. Few Months later, he got an appointment with an Oil company. how this happen is still a mystery.

It pays to serve Jesus.

Yes it pays to serve God with sincerity/love because God is Love not with condition,
So because one person gave his bike to the Church he is now an oil worker?
Have you seen this person years latter afterwards?
What about other members who gave their all and yet did not get abundance as promised/expected
How come the poverty/crime rate is increasing in the country that majority of you that have given and are still giving are also affected?

There is nothing wrong in giving because that is one of God's command but when you give with expectations, there is no reward.
Giving to God is not for Church to build expensive structures but so that there will be meat in the house of God, why building expensive structures as Church when majority of the members are hungry? Don't you know that you are the Church of God?
Until you realize that the church is the members/people and not the structures then you will understand.
When you use the money given to build schools that only the rich can afford, you are not giving to God but to man, because God does not discriminate between the rich and the poor, if we are same family as a Church then we should do things in common.

Common sense should tell you that everybody can never be rich no matter how much you give.
And when you want to give, give with love to those who are in needs else you've not given to God

MuttleyLaff:
Oyedepo is like Marmite alright. You love Marmite or hate Marmite.

Not like Marmite, like Oyedepo.

Ah well, I do know there are two kinds of successes, there is good success and bad success. I also know that someone may seem to be successful, but that's not a guarantee that, it is at all good success. Probably then, it could, in the real sense, be bad success. I am just saying ni ooo Image123.

The Bishop is a success still.

It pays to serve Jesus with a conscience

The man no get conscience ni?

Image123:
Not like Marmite, like Oyedepo.

People either love or hate Marmite, so Oyedepo is like Marmite then.

Image123:
The Bishop is a success still.

Armed robber that came back with loot too is a success still, isnt it?

Image123:
The man no get conscience ni?

"For you bear it if someone makes slaves of you,
or devours you, or takes advantage of you,
or puts on airs, or strikes (i.e. slaps) you in the face."
- 2 Corinthians 11:20

Need I go on, need I say more?

MuttleyLaff:
People either love or hate Marmite, so Oyedepo is like Marmite then.

That's a simile in literature.

Armed robber that came back with loot too is a success still, isnt it?

Ever heard of a failed robbery operation?

"For you bear it if someone makes slaves of you,
or devours you, or takes advantage of you,
or puts on airs, or strikes (i.e. slaps) you in the face."
- 2 Corinthians 11:20

Need I go on, need I say more?

please say more explicitly. Oyedepo has no known slaves. Slaves do not have the finance to build what DOMI has built and continues to build. i think he has added value to millions of lives, millions of which were previously "valueless".

Image123:
That's a simile in literature.

Still applicable to him, as just like Marmite, some loathe or love Oyedepo, whilst others are indifferent to him or even dont give a toss

Image123:
Ever heard of a failed robbery operation?

Yes, of course, I've heard of a failed robbery operation quite a number of times, but we are talking of armed robber that came back with loot is a success too, still, werent we?

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please say more explicitly. Oyedepo has no known slaves. Slaves do not have the finance to build what DOMI has built and continues to build. i think he has added value to millions of lives, millions of which were previously "valueless".

Ever heard of "‘I freed a thousand slaves. I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves"

MuttleyLaff:
Still applicable to him, as just like Marmite, some loathe or love Oyedepo, whilst others are indifferent to him or even dont give a toss

Yes, of course, I've heard of a failed robbery operation quite a number of times, but we are talking of armed robber that came back with loot is a success too, still, werent we?

Ever heard of "‘I freed a thousand slaves. I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves"

Love and hatred happens to everyone in that case. Is it everyone that loves MuttleyLaff?
If there are failed robberies, it implies that there will be successful robberies like you have stated. Is there no success in something that is successful? Lol.

I've not heard about a thousand slaves, i don't listen to him that much. But that means they're no more slaves if they are acclaimed by him to be freed. Even the bible pictures us as slaves that obtained freedom. So do cut him some slack in that case.

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Love and hatred happens to everyone in that case. Is it everyone that loves MuttleyLaff?

Even, MuttleyLaff, has been known not to love MuttleyLaff sometimes

Image123:
If there are failed robberies, it implies that there will be successful robberies like you have stated. Is there no success in something that is successful? Lol.

There is, and the fact remains that success is either a good success or a bad successs

Image123:
I've not heard about a thousand slaves, i don't listen to him that much. But that means they're no more slaves if they are acclaimed by him to be freed. Even the bible pictures us as slaves that obtained freedom. So do cut him some slack in that case.

Oyedepo has no known slaves you said, abi?. Isnt that because those enslaved, hardly know they are slaves? The act of being taken advantaged or exploited by someone else. The fruits of their endeavour goes to benefit someone else, makes me remember Fela's "Monkey dey work, baboon dey chop" tune and its disconsolate lyrics

"As we dey call am for area,
Oro ebe O sè lè.
Ra ra, aaaaa.

Na ma contry I tink sey I dey stay,
Na Afrika we dey O.
Na ma contry I tink sey I dey chop,
Na Afrika we dey O.
Every day, every day I dey hungry,
Na Afrika we dey O.
Every day, every day no house to stay,
Na Afrika we dey O.
Monkey dey work Baboon dey chop,
Na Afrika we dey O.
Baboon dey hold di key of store,
Na Afrika we dey O.
Monkey dey look, Baboon dey laugh,
Na Afrika we dey O.

Now, listen to me, now, now, now,

De day Monkey eye com open now,
Na Afrika we dey O."

MuttleyLaff:
Even, MuttleyLaff, has been known not to love MuttleyLaff sometimes

There is, and the fact remains that success is either a good success or a bad successs

Oyedepo has no known slaves you said, abi?. Isnt that because those enslaved, hardly know they are slaves? The act of being taken advantaged or exploited by someone else. The fruits of their endeavour goes to benefit someone else, makes me remember Fela's "Monkey dey work, baboon dey chop" tune and its disconsolate lyrics

"As we dey call am for area,
Oro ebe O sè lè.
Ra ra, aaaaa.

Na ma contry I tink sey I dey stay,
Na Afrika we dey O.
Na ma contry I tink sey I dey chop,
Na Afrika we dey O.
Every day, every day I dey hungry,
Na Afrika we dey O.
Every day, every day no house to stay,
Na Afrika we dey O.
Monkey dey work Baboon dey chop,
Na Afrika we dey O.
Baboon dey hold di key of store,
Na Afrika we dey O.
Monkey dey look, Baboon dey laugh,
Na Afrika we dey O.

Now, listen to me, now, now, now,

De day Monkey eye com open now,
Na Afrika we dey O."

So everyone is like Marmite in a sense. There's no monkey working and baboon eating in the analogy. Like i said, slaves, monkeys, poor people do not have the finance to afford what DOMI has done and is doing. Many of the active members are better off than when they came. The man has added value to their lives.

Image123:
So everyone is like Marmite in a sense.

Iyen ti di dandan nau. I dont know why you initially doubted that Oyedepo is like marmite sef

Image123:
There's no monkey working and baboon eating in the analogy.

Makes me remember Fela's "suffering and smiling", another tune and with disconsolate lyrics again.

Suffering and smiling
How many many you go make
CHORUS: Many many

Open your eye everywhere
Archbishop na miliki
Pope na enjoyment
Imam na gbaladun

Archbishop dey enjoy (with chorus)
Pope self dey enjoy (with chorus)
Imam self dey enjoy (with chorus)
My brother wetin you say? (with chorus)
My brother wetin you say? (with chorus)

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Like i said, slaves, monkeys, poor people do not have the finance to afford what DOMI has done and is doing. Many of the active members are better off than when they came. The man has added value to their lives.

Please educate and tell, how David Oyedepo Ministry International (i.e. DOMI) that originally started from Kaduna before coming down to Lagos, like they always do, did not first, live off the backs of "slaves, monkeys, poor people" before getting to the position and finance to afford what now DOMI has done and is doing. Do you also want to tell about the behind door import tax break shady deals Oyedepo and others enjoyed during the OBJ and Jonathan governments, huh?

MuttleyLaff:
Iyen ti di dandan nau. I dont know why you initially doubted that Oyedepo is like marmite sef



Makes me remember Fela's "suffering and smiling", another tune and with disconsolate lyrics again.

Suffering and smiling
How many many you go make
CHORUS: Many many

Open your eye everywhere
Archbishop na miliki
Pope na enjoyment
Imam na gbaladun

Archbishop dey enjoy (with chorus)
Pope self dey enjoy (with chorus)
Imam self dey enjoy (with chorus)
My brother wetin you say? (with chorus)
My brother wetin you say? (with chorus)

Please educate and tell, how David Oyedepo Ministry International (i.e. DOMI) that originally started from Kaduna before coming down to Lagos, like they always do, did not first, live off the backs of "slaves, monkeys, poor people" before getting to the position and finance to afford what now DOMI has done and is doing. Do you also want to tell about the behind door import tax break shady deals Oyedepo and others enjoyed during the OBJ and Jonathan governments, huh?

Lol, now you are backtracking on this Oyedepo issue. You said his members are enslaved, that they are slaves who do not know. Now, you are going to they were slaves. Don't worry my friend, you will still talk about mary Slessor after all these government and history lessons. From enslaving to shady deals and tax breaks, hmmmm. Your accusations pass my level, I'm not his lawyer. What i know is that the man has added value to millions of people, and they have become the better of after meeting him.

Very interesting. God is faithful.

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Lol, now you are backtracking on this Oyedepo issue. You said his members are enslaved, that they are slaves who do not know. Now, you are going to they were slaves.

What do you expect me to do nau, especially when you dont believe that DOMI members are slaves. They are slaves who do not know so unable to free themselves from mental slavery or enslavement. They might have money, wealth and fame but it doesnt buy them mental freedom.

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Don't worry my friend, you will still talk about Mary Slessor after all these government and history lessons. From enslaving to shady deals and tax breaks, hmmmm. Your accusations pass my level, I'm not his lawyer.

God bless Mary Slessor. This is no accusations nwanne, the (ab)use of import duty waivers in Nigeria is in public domain online and social media, tells for example, how religious organisation(s) exploited their close links with the Obasanjo government to get indiscriminate import duty waivers, like the N20 Billion Import Waiver Scandal. Did you know that Oyedepo never ever paid a kobo, as landing charge or airport tax on his Private Jets throughout Jonathan presidency huh, that he got presidential waiver, hmm?.

Siddon there, bin dey look, what kind of bubble are you living in sef? Well, you said, you arent his lawyer sha, so how would you know any of those then? I no blame you, so you therefore, are forgiven and excused

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What I know is that the man has added value to millions of people, and they have become the better of after meeting him.

What I know too, is that the devil does same as well and does a better job than Oyedepo, whilst at it

MuttleyLaff:
Oyedepo is like Marmite alright. You love Marmite or hate Marmite.

Ah well, I do know there are two kinds of successes, there is good success and bad success. I also know that someone may seem to be successful, but that's not a guarantee that, it is at all good success. Probably then, it could, in the real sense, be bad success. I am just saying ni ooo Image123.

It pays to serve Jesus with a conscience

You mean like the conscience you have when you humb your fellow men?

You are a champion when it comes to talking down servants of God, but will bite off the head of anyone who says Homosexuality is a sin before God.


Your Gayness, your fruits are showing.

MuttleyLaff:
What do you expect me to do nau, especially when you dont believe that DOMI members are slaves. They are slaves who do not know so unable to free themselves from mental slavery or enslavement. They might have money, wealth and fame but it doesnt buy them mental freedom.

God bless Mary Slessor. This is no accusations nwanne, the (ab)use of import duty waivers in Nigeria is in public domain online and social media, tells for example, how religious organisation(s) exploited their close links with the Obasanjo government to get indiscriminate import duty waivers, like the N20 Billion Import Waiver Scandal. Did you know that Oyedepo never ever paid a kobo, as landing charge or airport tax on his Private Jets throughout Jonathan presidency huh, that he got presidential waiver, hmm?.

Siddon there, bin dey look, what kind of bubble are you living in sef? Well, you said, you arent his lawyer sha, so how would you know any of those then? I no blame you, so you therefore, are forgiven and excused

What I know too, is that the devil does same as well and does a better job than Oyedepo, whilst at it

So they have money, wealth and fame but no mental freedom? In this case, who mental freedom help? How do you define and identify mental freedom? Thanks for not bringing up yet another song lyrics, i really didn't know what to do with them, hehehehehehehene.
The devil doesn't add value to anyone. Most people are worse off after meeting or associating with the devil. Either they have no peace, or behave worse, or die. Maybe you refer to finance. Woeful tales are out there about the devil and his greek gifts. On the other hand, Oyedepo has openly said that he has never begged anybody or being in debt to anybody.

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So they have money, wealth and fame but no mental freedom?

Hole in one but I doubt though, majority can afford their kids going to CU.

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In this case, who mental freedom help?

If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed

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How do you define and identify mental freedom?

When you are no more sheeple-fied

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Thanks for not bringing up yet another song lyrics, i really didn't know what to do with them, hehehehehehehene.

Where do you see song lyrics in the post you replied too, hmm?

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The devil doesn't add value to anyone. Most people are worse off after meeting or associating with the devil. Either they have no peace, or behave worse, or die. Maybe you refer to finance. Woeful tales are out there about the devil and his greek gifts. On the other hand, Oyedepo has openly said that he has never begged anybody or being in debt to anybody.

I asked you, did you know that Oyedepo never ever paid a kobo, as landing charge or airport tax on his private jets throughout Jonathan presidency huh, that he got presidential waiver, hmm and you are telling me here that, on the other hand, Oyedepo has openly said that he has never begged anybody or being in debt to anybody. Pull the other leg.

ehissi:


God is the better person to address this your questìon to......

But I am of the opinion that it is not how much value God places on it but on the value we place on it.

When He demanded Isaac of Abraham, He even said it, "take thy Son, thy only Son whom though loveth".

An indicator to the possibility that, Isaac as far as Abraham was concerned was his most valuable possession in the midst of all his wealth.

Funny enough, he just got the child from God after waiting for more than a decade, if not more, only for God to ask him to offer the child as a sacrifice. Doesn't that look like wickedness?


The bible says that Abraham journeyed 3 whole days to the point where the sacrifice was to be made, he didn't turn back nor hestitate.

When you consider that Abraham had that child in his very old age (somewhere over 90yrs of age), that child was valuable to him......


Oyedepo at a time in his life had just an OND, and literally came up from squalor to glamour. For someone who at one time in his life, was eating cereal with his wife meant for the baby for 3 days because there was no food, if that person ever mistakenly buy/own a car his life, them no need to tell you how valuable that car will be to him, have you met a very hungry/poor accountant before?


Kenneth Hagin of blessed memory once spoke of a time when God asked him to give a random preacher that came to squat with him money, that money was money he had been saving for over a year to finally have an actual christmas holiday for the first time in almost like never for himself and his family.

That preacher was enroute to a city where he was going to do manual labour to raise money for a bible school he wanted to attend.

After he escorted him to where the preacher was to take the next transportation to leave town, Hagin unhappily gave the preacher the money....


Many years later, according to Kenneth Hagin's testimony (me I was not there oooo), Hagin claimed that God reminded him of that money, how?


He followed his wife to do hospital visitation of a lady that had stage 4 cancer in another city, Doctors had allegedly given her a few months to live.


Kenneth Hagin said the Lord asked him to pray for her, way deep down in his heart he was confused, because he didn't know what to pray for, Farewell abi safe journey prayer?


Because the Lady in question had so emaciated to a point where prayer at this point felt like just another religious exercise.


But at a point his wife for some reason left the room briefly and he summoned up courage to pray and in his own words, he perceived an atmosphere lift from that room like a spirit, in his own words, he grabbed the bed and prayed and left....


About a few weeks later, word got to him that she was healed, he just felt it was just another person trying to blindly and foolishly believe, hoping something will happen.


He that prayed for her didn't believe until he saw her with his own two eyes, she had put on weight and travelled from her city to attend service in his own parish.


He was overjoyed, thankful, wooow, it felt good for God to use him to bless a lady at the point of death. In trying to make sense of it all, he said God asked him, if he remembered the preacher who came to squat in his house that he gave his holiday saving money, he eventually remembered.


At that point, he claimed God asked him, which is easier of the two for you to do, to give that preacher that money or to pray for this woman?


In his own understanding of what the Lord was trying to teach him, "a man who is faithful in little will be faithful in much".

That scripture is often used to teach people about management of resources but in this case, Hagin used it to teach about instruction.....

If you have faith to obey God to do things are actually in your power to do, it will be easier for you to have faith to obey God to do things that you actually have no power of your own to do.

If He cant send you message, where the variables are 100% under your control and have you listen what makes you think if He sends you message to do big things that may sound ridiculous, silly and unconventional and variables are 100% out of your control that you will even attempt to do it?

They won't read this.

jesusjnr:
It's obvious that there are many doctrines these days, and that of the deeper life is just one of them, but there's a doctrine that supercedes every other doctrine of the church, and it is the doctrine of Jesus the Master and Lord of the church.

Hence I said you should put it side by side the doctrine of Oyedepo or any other doctrines, and
compare, for this was how I was able to find the error in the teachings of Oyedepo and also the deeper life Bible church, and others.

For instance in the deeper life, the emphasis placed on dressing and outward appearance is not in sync with the doctrine of Jesus which places such emphasis on the heart, but at the same time it was clearly obvious that they were much closer to the doctrine of Jesus than that of the likes of Oyedepo.

You know what yardstick you used to come to the conclusion that his teachings make one come to the understanding of living a fulfilled christian life, and as I've said before, I'd say it again that it is not a very good sign knowing what I already know.

But at the end of the day you'd not be judged by me or you or Oyedepo etc., but by how you followed the teachings of Jesus because He's the perfect Master who holds the keys to eternal life.

So that's what I'd ask you to do first of all, so tha if his teachings which you obviously embraced tallies with the teachings of Jesus, then you have nothing to worry about because it's all about what the Master says.

But as for me whose mindset has become shaped by Christ's teachings, it's very obvious that Oyedepo's doctrine is no more different from that of the Pharisees who Jesus rebuked severally and warned His disciples to beware of, and hence my stance concerning him.

Peace.

He asked you to point out what Oyedepo teaches that is wrong. Pls point them out.

MuttleyLaff:
Hole in one but I doubt though, majority can afford their kids going to CU.

If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed

When you are no more sheeple-fied

Where do you see song lyrics in the post you replied too, hmm?

I asked you, did you know that Oyedepo never ever paid a kobo, as landing charge or airport tax on his private jets throughout Jonathan presidency huh, that he got presidential waiver, hmm and you are telling me here that, on the other hand, Oyedepo has openly said that he has never begged anybody or being in debt to anybody. Pull the other leg.

Affording one of the best schools in the country is no mere task. Even not all the folks you perceive as mentally free can afford the luxury. But it's good you already accepted that they have money, wealth and fame. Your grouse is concerning their mental freedom, right?

So, mental freedom by your definition is to be made free by Jesus? Good. Free from what? You know christians are sheep by default sha.
If Oyedepo never paid tax or charge, like you said it was a PRESIDENTIAL WAIVER. He does not owe that, and it is possible he did not beg for it. Of course you know our political leaders and their romance with religion.

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Affording one of the best schools in the country is no mere task. Even not all the folks you perceive as mentally free can afford the luxury

They at least, arent hanging around, to be shafted and/or get the short end of the stick.

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But it's good you already accepted that they have money, wealth and fame.

I never accepted anything, I just took cue from what you said about having money, wealth and fame.

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Your grouse is concerning their mental freedom, right?

My grouse ke? Merely just stating observational facts nwanne

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So, mental freedom by your definition is to be made free by Jesus? Good. Free from what?

Nwanne, stop that because you know that I defined and identiied mental freedom, as when you are no more sheeple-fied

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You know christians are sheep by default sha.

Of course, I know that by default, we are His, we are His people and that we are the sheep of His pasture, but I also know, on the other hand, that there are goats and goatherds too.

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If Oyedepo never paid tax or charge, like you said it was a PRESIDENTIAL WAIVER. He does not owe that, and it is possible he did not beg for it. Of course you know our political leaders and their romance with religion.

Have it your way, if that's how you want it, that he does not owe any for that, and that, it is possible he did not beg for it. Now about the romance, I rather think it's a mutual fascination of Oyedepo and the political leaders for each other