tayoccu:

You do know Madara and Obito are harder to target/hit while standing on the Juubi?
If u were Madara, where will you stand?

Parnassuss: The next episode is about to be some filler-ious but believe it or not I was hoping for a rematch with the Sound-4 especially with Chouji as the badass he is right now. It should be a lot more interesting than Hashirama's story....


But I realize that there MAY be a logical explanation as to why the Shinobis of the day are so ordinary and lackluster in comparison with Ninjas of the past, especially from the days of the first. Because life was so freaking hard and dangerous those days, survivors had to be really hardcore and powerful. I bet a ninja like Kakashi would be so common compared jounins of that era. Since they were in a period of constant war and to-the-death fights, I believe it can be argued that Ninjas from that time honed their skills better and had a stricter and much less complicated motive to get better; staying alive. These 'modern' peace groomed shinobis are weak and indecisive because they have become too sheltered by their structured and orderly world. The price of peace is weakness, that's why today's badasses like Orochimaru, Itachi, Jiraiya and even the 4th Raikage would be food for chop if they faced the 2nd hokage one-on-one

Parnassuss: The next episode is about to be some filler-ious but believe it or not I was hoping for a rematch with the Sound-4 especially with Chouji as the badass he is right now. It should be a lot more interesting than Hashirama's story....


But I realize that there MAY be a logical explanation as to why the Shinobis of the day are so ordinary and lackluster in comparison with Ninjas of the past, especially from the days of the first. Because life was so freaking hard and dangerous those days, survivors had to be really hardcore and powerful. I bet a ninja like Kakashi would be so common compared jounins of that era. Since they were in a period of constant war and to-the-death fights, I believe it can be argued that Ninjas from that time honed their skills better and had a stricter and much less complicated motive to get better; staying alive. These 'modern' peace groomed shinobis are weak and indecisive because they have become too sheltered by their structured and orderly world. The price of peace is weakness, that's why today's badasses like Orochimaru, Itachi, Jiraiya and even the 4th Raikage would be food for chop if they faced the 2nd hokage one-on-one

Parnassuss: The next episode is about to be some filler-ious but believe it or not I was hoping for a rematch with the Sound-4 especially with Chouji as the badass he is right now. It should be a lot more interesting than Hashirama's story....


But I realize that there MAY be a logical explanation as to why the Shinobis of the day are so ordinary and lackluster in comparison with Ninjas of the past, especially from the days of the first. Because life was so freaking hard and dangerous those days, survivors had to be really hardcore and powerful. I bet a ninja like Kakashi would be so common compared jounins of that era. Since they were in a period of constant war and to-the-death fights, I believe it can be argued that Ninjas from that time honed their skills better and had a stricter and much less complicated motive to get better; staying alive. These 'modern' peace groomed shinobis are weak and indecisive because they have become too sheltered by their structured and orderly world. The price of peace is weakness, that's why today's badasses like Orochimaru, Itachi, Jiraiya and even the 4th Raikage would be food for chop if they faced the 2nd hokage one-on-one

SIR cum a lot:
What about that recurring trend of the young surpassing their elders ?

SIR cum a lot:
What about that recurring trend of the young surpassing their elders ?

rapmike: oro may even beat the second, the fact is that it is not about raw strength(that is why i talked of refining) Oro and itachi are geniuses and Jiraiya is nt a weakling either, neither is kakashi, besides from wat i can see, kakashi created rakiri( the original version of sasuke chidouri) at the age itama died,so dont write them off

Parnassuss:

Lol Orochimaru will beat the second I am laughing in Swahili! The second can use space-time ninjustu, edo-tensei, genjutsu, an ocean of chakra, water based ninjutsu like a beast and he is a brutal tactician! I believe the 2nd is what describes the quintessential 'genius' in Naruto. Plus he is not a pussy.

And also to say that Itami died cos he was not smart is just speculative at best. Plus I would like to see Kakashi or Itachi stand 5 grown full sharingan users as 7 year old, never mind the fact that Kakashi lost an eye and an arm to ONE older jounin.

rapmike: Oro is sly, luk at all his fights(wit d third,kyubbified 4 tail naruto and sasuke),it is only sasuke's fight he lost cause sasuke attackd him unexpectdly, he is alway attacking ppl unawares lyke hw he attackd d 3rd hokage and 4th kazekage.orochi wil nt attack u jst lyke dat(openly) he wil make sure ur guard is down and he wil hit u at ur weakest point.dat is oro 4 u

Ihedinobi:

It was so uncontrollable that he managed to leash it until he'd grown old and about to die, huh? This is just an excuse, man. If they were controlling the juubi with genjutsu, they shouldn't need to be on top of it using a Mokuton link to keep it nice.

Parnassuss:

Lol Orochimaru will beat the second I am laughing in Swahili! The second can use space-time ninjustu, edo-tensei, genjutsu, an ocean of chakra, water based ninjutsu like a beast and he is a brutal tactician! I believe the 2nd is what describes the quintessential 'genius' in Naruto. Plus he is not a pussy.

And also to say that Itami died cos he was not smart is just speculative at best. Plus I would like to see Kakashi or Itachi stand 5 grown full sharingan users as 7 year old, never mind the fact that Kakashi lost an eye and an arm to ONE older jounin.

WackyJ1: Yes it was that uncontrollable, remember that madara said that he needs to become the juinchuriki in order to control the juubi better and in order to become the jinchuuriki, he needs to be alive, not an edo tensei summon so since they are trying to control it externally, they need to put all their hands on deck, using both harashima's mokuton style and their sharingan/rinnegan combo.

Abongs: now does that make him strong? No he's just am oppurtunist.why didn't he attack the leaf when 4th was alive? Orochimaru is a weakling joor.d guy annoys me.nd abt him controlling d kages i bliv d only person he has in his reigns is d second hokage.

SIR cum a lot:
What about that recurring trend of the young surpassing their elders ?

rapmike: his opportunistic nature makes him a difficult prospect 4 any shinobi, even 4 d 2nd! I mean hw many naruto villians hv u seen pop up time afta time? Only oro. Y i insistd dat oro wil beat d 2nd is dat i noticed dat d 2nd has a fiery temper wich may nt make him reason well.4 example wen he attemptd 2 burst out of oro's edo tensi, he did nt even notice dat d binding nature of d jutsu was strengthend due 2 d zetsu clones used.i mean, u guys r writing him off wen d 1st actually acknwledgd him as a fine pupil of d third! Dnt luk down on oro or else u wil be in soup. As i said b4, oro is just lyke d joker in batman,d joker aint strong bt he is so intelligent! Dat is my point wit oro.d only person dat i knw wil match him wit intelligence is itachi and maybe shikamaru.

Parnassuss:

I have believed for a long while that that assertion is more metaphoric than anything. I don't see how the 3rd surpassed the 1st in strength or battle prowess, but the third did manage the village a lot better than the 1st and he passed a strong ideal of the will of fire down and I think that is what it means. Itachi is NOW considered better than the first because of what he sacrificed for the peace of the village. This is my own idea




You have a fair point but you are drawing conclusions after having seen the second in two chapters. I am not trying to discredit Orochimaru but we have yet to see him DEFEND an onslaught. The Third made Tobi look a fool when he (Tobi) attacked the third unprepared and in dire constraints, while Sasuke floored Orochimaru in a psychic world Oro himself created, whether he was weak or surprised was no excuse.

Ihedinobi:

I don't remember o. Pages, please. I know for sure that they are using Hashi's mokuton to control it. I have no memory of Madara saying that it is for the purpose of control that he needs to be jinchuuriki. I remember that it was in order for him to harness the Juubi's power for Infinte Tsukuyomi.

But that is neither here nor there. What I have not seen is convincing argument for which the eyes cannot be the Juubi's . Say, for the sake of argument, I agree that the rinnegan was the old Sage's, then, can you tell me why it has never again surfaced in all these long years? If you hold that the Sage evolved into awesomeness and the Rinnegan before taking on the Juubi, from what did he evolve and why is he the only one that did evolve?

Abongs: the guy is cocky always spewing about d uchiha.he behaves like a fool in fact he is a fool.see when he asked 1st dat question he activated EMS OR IS IT MS sef 2nd just chuckled.dem suppose whip d idiot.him jus b ant 4 dose guys place

WackyJ1:
Ah you borught out a point here, if it was the old sage you're asking why it hasn't surfaced again which is the sane as my question, if it was the juubi's and he took it and was able to pass it down, how come it has not appears again after all these years as well, and all of a suddenly one uchiha down the uIline just collected someone's dna and combined it with his and the rinnegan popped up again and from this person's rinnegan we're now seeing the rinnegan everywhere, why didn't it happen since, besides there was a brief moment of peace after the village was formed, are you saying that in the village that senju and uchiha came together to form, no senju married an uchiha?

SIR cum a lot:
Plot or no plot they were defeated and rather easily I would say,parnassus cited that peace breeds weakness well they are fighting the 4th war now. the shinobi's that will survive this will school their ancestors if kishi decide to transport them back in time.I just watched gaara beat that fine boy kage with the giant clam.

WackyJ1:
Ah you borught out a point here, if it was the old sage you're asking why it hasn't surfaced again which is the sane as my question, if it was the juubi's and he took it and was able to pass it down, how come it has not appears again after all these years as well, and all of a suddenly one uchiha down the line just collected someone's dna and combined it with his and the rinnegan popped up again and from this person's rinnegan we're now seeing the rinnegan everywhere, why didn't it happen since, besides there was a brief moment of peace after the village was formed, are you saying that in the village that senju and uchiha came together to form, no senju married an uchiha?
i wonderr oo... is if the Uchiha always fought the senju after konoha was formed. but the Uchiha were secretive about their clan, so u cant say


No oh, one thing i like about sasuke is that he does not fear anybody, he might know that he is not strong enough but that does not stop him from doing what he wants to do or trying, he went up against the 6 kage when he knew that even one was enough to floor him, he defeated danzo and deidera, the guy is trying sha. he didn't try to hide the fact that he had gotten the EMS from those guys, no body needs to tell him that the second can him there
his shakara is too much, always flashing EMS as if it is the latest technology in the whole narutoverse, the 2nd go dey laugh cos e no new, it does not scare them

Ihedinobi:

Without the EMS, no Uchiha could even hope for the rinnegan. Plus you need the EMS to be able to read the Uchiha scrolls and learn how to attain the rinnegan. How many EMS's have we seen? We don't know that the Senju had any evolution to go through to attaim the rinnegan. In fact, we don't know if the Senju can awaken the rinnegan at all.

The situation with Madara only strengthens the argument that the Rinnegan came feom the Juubi.

MsDarkSkin:

just wanted to say, awesome username.