UceeGod:
Oh how I wish you really want answers to your questions. But I'm sure you only want to argue on what you have negative understanding about.

The Liberty I enjoy from being freed from the bondage of Sin and being slave to the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus is beyond the understanding of the natural man. Only with experience can you understand.

I have to say my favorite part of the Bible..... is where god gives humanity free will but then drowns them all for not using it the way he wanted.

UceeGod:
Oh how I wish you really want answers to your questions. But I'm sure you only want to argue on what you have negative understanding about.

The Liberty I enjoy from being freed from the bondage of Sin and being slave to the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus is beyond the understanding of the natural man. Only with experience can you understand.

LordReed:


Nope. These are genuine questions, questions I am sure even Christians have.

UceeGod:

Not everyone who claims he's a Christian has the Seed of Christ. The Seed is His Spirit. Not everyone who has this Spirit can has been able to appropriate this freedom from Sin and slavery to righteousness even though the victory has been given.
The freedom we enjoy from being slave to Righteousness is a paradox and spiritual realities you all can never understand unless you humble yourself and ask for Christ's Spirit.

LordReed:
Christians say the God gave us free will yet their bible says

Romans 6:18 
And, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness.

How could we have had free will if we needed to be set free from sin? Doesn't it not suggest that we weren't free? If we were free what then is freedom from sin? Why do I need to be freed if I am already free?

On another level how are Christians free from sin if they still sin? Is this freedom false? Just a pipe dream?

LordReed:

Do you sin?

LordReed:


Do you sin?

Shepherd00:

Did you as a baby peed , pooed and puked on yourself? Do you still do so now? Why not?

How did you know to stop doing those things? You were taught how to do them differently.

1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

The difference between You and Me is that, if I fall, I admit that I have sinned, there's a hand that is ready to lift me up. I have an opportunity to continue growing into perfection.

But, You? You sin Willingly and a so proud to throw it around even boast about it.

domino4211:
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I'll become a christian again if he can answer this very simple question

LordReed:


I never say I am free of my bodily functions, you say you are free from sin. How are you free if you still sin? Does a free man go to prison compound to eat prison food?

Shepherd00:

You didn't get the point did you? When we were like you, sin was okay and free. But now there's resistance inside of me whenever i think of sinning.

Oh God!!!!!!!, I want to have sex, My body is screaming with desire. But i'm not married. The Holy Spirit reminds me that I am His dwelling place and joining my body in fornication griefs Him. So does lying, cheating, stealing, pride, anger, fear, malice, murder in intentions, unforgiveness, etc.

I think of the devastation these causes to my natural partner if I were married, and tell myself to back off, and I do.

The Power to know I can do it, but refrains from doing it, is what i'm talking about.


Before, even if I know it's wrong, I couldn't Back off.
Get it?

LordReed:


Do you sin?

LordReed:
Christians say the God gave us free will yet their bible says

Romans 6:18 
And, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness.

How could we have had free will if we needed to be set free from sin? Doesn't it not suggest that we weren't free? If we were free what then is freedom from sin? Why do I need to be freed if I am already free?

On another level how are Christians free from sin if they still sin? Is this freedom false? Just a pipe dream?

LordReed:


No I don't get it. What you are describing is self control not freedom. Like I asked does a free man go to the prison compound to partake of the prison fare? The word the bible uses is freedom not self control, everybody has the ability to exercise self control (in varying degrees of course) so how are you different from the rest of us? And I am not talking about acknowledging sin, that's kind of irrelevant.

malvisguy212:
freewill is a CHOICE to sin or not to sin. what happened when a man is addicted to sin ? he is a SLAVE to sin , which Jesus came to set us FREE .

freewill is NOT ability to do whatever you want,freewill is simply the ability to CHOSE between options " right and wrong" . what is God will ? God will is for everyone to get save, so when you are a slave to sin ( wrong choice) Christ came to set you free.

Shepherd00:

Now I know your problem. When it comes to Sin, everyone is free to go in and out.

Freedom comes with making Choices right? But what if you don't have the wherewithal to make the choice?

And what if what keeps you from making the choice is taken away? You become Free to do as you choose right?

This freedom does not imprison you in always doing right because you are free. You are left to do as you choose. That is freedom.

Sir, the reason sin is sin to the Believers is that power to stay away from it is given to them, but if they Willing go back to it, the scenario you painted then comes into play.

A free man who goes to the prison to eat prison food is a like a sinner who although free, return back to his old ways. (Altho, our God will forgive wen we return)

Check this out.

2 Peter 2:21-22 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

Sir, it takes SELF-CONTROL (which is a Spirit of Free Will), to stay out of prison.

malvisguy212:
this is what I called Bible ILLITERACY.

LordReed:


Is a non Christian free to make choices to sin or not sin?

LordReed:

How am I free if I am a slave?

Shepherd00:

To live a sinless life? Try it and see. lol.

Besides, a non-Christian does not even identify sin as such. It takes the Word of God to reveal to you that thinking sex in your mind is called Lust=Sin.

It takes the Bible for you to know that no matter what happened, you must forgive if someone hurts you badly. Without the Spirit of God in you, you wouldn't forgive. You may not revenge, but wld definitely not forgive him. (depending on what he did).

Another thing. A non-Christian can hold back from doing wrong for fear of the Law of the land, which ranges from the civic authority or his village gods, or to protect his reputation (If he has one), but in his heart, commits those sins because he has not identified them as sin.

Sin is not only when it is acted upon.

If you offend me and I bare you a grudge. I lock you up in my mind and harbour malicious intends against you. I project negative energies towards you by wishing you misfortunes. When I hear any bad news about you, I secretly celebrate. My dear, that is as good as killing you. If I have my way and can get away with it, I'd do it.

But, The Lord has freed us from that power and has given us a Spirit that lets us let go and pray for the well-being of that individual and wish he realizes his wrong doing and repent.

This is why we Christians no longer practice 'An Eye for an Eye'. We forgive.



Just try it and see if you can do it on your own.

LordReed:


How am I free if I am a slave?

Shepherd00:

How are you a slave if you have the Freedom to choose either to stay or go?

LordReed:


Good, educate me then.

malvisguy212:
the question is , what is Good for me ? is sin Good for me ? sin and righteousness, which is to RULE over my life ? notice in verse 14 what Paul say " "Sin shall not be MASTER OVER YOU , for you are not under law but under grace." This is a promise: "Sin shall not be master over you."in other word righteousness shall be MASTER OVER YOU.

LordReed:


But you just said I can't exercise it and malvisguy212 says we are slaves. Are we slaves or not?

malvisguy212:
it is very hard for camel to go through the eye of a niddle , if your mind ain't prepared how can I educate you ?

LordReed:


No that is not the question. The question remains am I a slave to sin to which your bible says yes I am so then if i am a slave how do i have free will?

LordReed:

So how does a non Christian have free will if he cannot exercise it?

LordReed:

How is it free will if he requires a liberation in order to exercise the ability to be sin free?

Shepherd00:


I said you can't exercise your Freedom?

Pls direct me there.

And Malvisguy said when a man is addicted to sin ? he is a SLAVE to sin , which Jesus came to set us FREE

Where did he say we are slaves?