So all the Old testament saints who never knew Jesus talkless of believing in him also died in their sins ?

Originakalokalo:


Mankind fell due to sin in the garden of Eden.

In that garden, Adam and eve had a relationship with God until they sinned and that relationship was broken.

Christ Came purposely to restore the lost relationship with God by removing what causes the problem, which is Sin.

Christ came to atone for the sins of man.... This is the only true way back to God.

Without Jesus, you die in your sins.

This is the main reason why Christ is the right way to follow.... It is only in Christianity that the main issue of Sin is taken care of.

Abdulgaffar22:
So all the Old testament saints who never knew Jesus talkless of believing in him also died in their sins ?

They obeyed the laws of Moses as given by God. They obeyed God...

Now, accepting the sacrifice of Jesus is the only way to God....

If the Old testament saints, who never knew Jesus talkless of believing in him, can be saved by obeying the law of Moses, then Jesus' sacrifice is not the only way to salvation. Do you agree ?

Abdulgaffar22:
If the Old testament saints, who never knew Jesus talkless of believing in him, can be saved by obeying the law of Moses, then Jesus is not the only way to salvation. Do you agree ?

Their obedience to the law was their faith and belief in the coming ultimate sacrifice of the Son of God as promised, even their father Abraham had this faith in the coming Messiah.

Abdulgaffar22:
If the Old testament saints, who never knew Jesus talkless of believing in him, can be saved by obeying the law of Moses, then Jesus' sacrifice is not the only way to salvation. Do you agree ?

You can't please God without Jesus.... That's why he is the only way.

Let me break this down for you...

No one will leave all his days on earth without committing sin...

In the old testament, it was the blood of animals that God "permitted " to cover the sins of man.

In the new testament, it is the blood of Jesus.

Your sins remain without this blood. How then do you want to please God with your sins on you?

Christianity is the only belief that solved man's original problem ...the problem of sin that started at the beginning.


I used the word permitted above because the blood of ANIMALS could not remove the sins of MAN.

THE BLOOD OF A BLAMELESS MAN WILL REMOVE THE SINS OF MAN.

@ UceeGod



Can you show us a single biblical verse to prove that the obedience of Old testament saints to Law of moses is EQUIVALENT to their faith and belief in ultimate Jesus sacrifice ?

@ Originakalokalo


what do you mean by blood of animals could not remove the sin of man ?

please read what God Almighty says below;


"Aaron shall lay both his hands on the head of the live goat, confess over it all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions, concerning all their sins, putting them on the head of the goat, and shall send it away into the wilderness by the hand of a suitable man.  The goat shall bear on itself all their iniquities to an uninhabited land; and he shall release the goat in the wilderness.  “Then Aaron shall come into the tabernacle of meeting, shall take off the linen garments which he put on when he went into the Holy Place, and shall leave them there. And he shall wash his body with water in a holy place, put on his garments, come out and offer his burnt offering and the burnt offering of the people, and make atonement for himself and for the people. The fat of the sin offering he shall burn on the altar.  And he who released the goat as the scapegoat shall wash his clothes and bathe his body in water, and afterward he may come into the camp. The bull for the sin offering and the goat for the sin offering, whose blood was brought in to make atonement in the Holy Place, shall be carried outside the camp. And they shall burn in the fire their skins, their flesh, and their offal. Then he who burns them shall wash his clothes and bathe his body in water, and afterward he may come into the camp.  “This shall be a statute forever for you: In the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, you shall afflict your souls, and do no work at all, whether a native of your own country or a stranger who dwells among you. For on that day the priest shall make atonement for you, to cleanse you, that you may be CLEAN FROM ALL YOUR SINS before the Lord (Leviticus 16:21-30).

Abdulgaffar22:
@ Originakalokalo


what do you mean by blood of animals could not remove the sin of man ?

please read what God Almighty says below;


"Aaron shall lay both his hands on the head of the live goat, confess over it all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions, concerning all their sins, putting them on the head of the goat, and shall send it away into the wilderness by the hand of a suitable man.  The goat shall bear on itself all their iniquities to an uninhabited land; and he shall release the goat in the wilderness.  “Then Aaron shall come into the tabernacle of meeting, shall take off the linen garments which he put on when he went into the Holy Place, and shall leave them there. And he shall wash his body with water in a holy place, put on his garments, come out and offer his burnt offering and the burnt offering of the people, and make atonement for himself and for the people. The fat of the sin offering he shall burn on the altar.  And he who released the goat as the scapegoat shall wash his clothes and bathe his body in water, and afterward he may come into the camp. The bull for the sin offering and the goat for the sin offering, whose blood was brought in to make atonement in the Holy Place, shall be carried outside the camp. And they shall burn in the fire their skins, their flesh, and their offal. Then he who burns them shall wash his clothes and bathe his body in water, and afterward he may come into the camp.  “This shall be a statute forever for you: In the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, you shall afflict your souls, and do no work at all, whether a native of your own country or a stranger who dwells among you. For on that day the priest shall make atonement for you, to cleanse you, that you may be CLEAN FROM ALL YOUR SINS before the Lord (Leviticus 16:21-30).

I am aware of this before I made that statement.

With all the sacrifice and atonement with the blood of animals,

The children of Israel were still restricted to the outer Court of the temple. In worship, a veil separated the holy of holies from the people....

Israelites could not access the presence of God directly, by themselves.

This is what God said.....take a look.

To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.

—Isaiah 1: 11 (KJV)

Its because of the holy nature of God. Even after atonement....they were still banished from God's presence.


After Jesus died, this veil was torn from TOP to Bottom and people now have access to God directly...the hoky of holies now available to everyone.

this is because of the atonement of the blood of Jesus.

This is it.....the holy spirit helps us to obey God, but we can't have him without being purified.

This is what the blood of Jesus does.

@ Originakalokalo

The reason why God was tired of their sin and burnt offerings was because those sacrifices were NO LONGER COUPLED WITH SINCERE REPENTANCE. It is never because the blood of Jesus is more effective than of blood of Animals as you think.

Sincere repentance from our sinful ways is far more important than any of the blood sacrifice. This is the reason why it is possible for God to forgive sins even without the requirement of blood. So blood sacrifice is just one of the ways that God used to atone for sins. It is NEVER THE ONLY WAY. See the evidence directly from God's mouth;

"The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself. But if a wicked man TURNS (i:e REPENTS) from all his sins which he has committed, keeps all My statutes, and does what is lawful and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die. NONE OF THE TRANSGRESSIONS which he has committed shall be remembered against him; Because of the RIGHTEOUSNESS which he has done, HE SHALL LIVE. Do I have any pleasure at all that the wicked should die?” says the Lord God, “and not that he should TURN FROM HIS WAYS AND LIVE ? (Ezekiel 18:20-23)".

Where did God mention blood in all the verses quoted above ?

Abdulgaffar22:
@ Originakalokalo

The reason why God was tired of their sin and burnt offerings was because those sacrifices were NO LONGER COUPLED WITH SINCERE REPENTANCE. It is never because the blood of Jesus is more effective than of blood of Animals as you think.

Sincere repentance from our sinful ways is far more important than any of the blood sacrifice. This is the reason why it is possible for God to forgive sins even without the requirement of blood. So blood sacrifice is just one of the ways that God used to atone for sins. It is NEVER THE ONLY WAY. See the evidence directly from God's mouth;

"The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself. But if a wicked man TURNS (i:e REPENTS) from all his sins which he has committed, keeps all My statutes, and does what is lawful and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die. NONE OF THE TRANSGRESSIONS which he has committed shall be remembered against him; Because of the RIGHTEOUSNESS which he has done, HE SHALL LIVE. Do I have any pleasure at all that the wicked should die?” says the Lord God, “and not that he should TURN FROM HIS WAYS AND LIVE ? (Ezekiel 18:20-23)".

Where did God mention blood in all the verses quoted above ?

Regardless, God will not be tired of the blood of Jesus as he was the blood of animals.

Again, If it was after the death of Jesus and the tearing of the temple's veil from top to bottom that people can have access to God's presence, then how did old testament saints like Abraham, Moses and the likes manage to have their access and reconciliation back to God during their life time on the earth surface ?

@ Originakalokalo

You wrote;

"Regardless, God will not be tired of the blood of Jesus as he was the blood of animals".


Pls show us a single biblical verse directly from God's mouth to prove that He will not be tired of blood of Jesus.

I am saying it again ; sincere repentance from our sinful ways is far more important than any of the blood sacrifice. The is the reason why Jesus declare as follows;

I did not come to call the righteous but sinners to REPENTANCE (Luke 5:32).

Jesus was talking about the purpose of his coming with respect to the sinners in this very verse. Why did he not say he came to die for the sinners ?

Abdulgaffar22:
@ UceeGod



Can you show us a single biblical verse to prove that the obedience of Old testament saints to Law of moses is EQUIVALENT to their faith and belief in ultimate Jesus sacrifice ?

Genesis 22:14
"Abraham called the name of the place": The naming of the place was significant. Abraham called it The LORD Will Provide (Jehovah Jireh); In this mount, it shall be provided. Abraham didn’t name the place in reference to what he experienced. He didn’t name it Mount Trial or Mount Agony or Mount Obedience. Instead, he named the hill in reference to what God did; he named it Mount Provision. He named it knowing God would provide the ultimate sacrifice for salvation on that hill someday.

"As it is said to this day": Apparently, Moses meant even in his own day, men looked at that hill and said, “In the Mount of the LORD it shall be provided.” Abraham, and later Moses, recognized that God did provide, and it pointed to the ultimate sacrifice when God would provide Himself. “God provided a ram instead of Isaac. This was sufficient for the occasion as a type; but that which was typified by the ram is infinitely more glorious. In order to save us, God provided God (in human form). I cannot put it more simply. He did not provide an angel, nor a mere man, but God Himself.

Genesis 22:18
"In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice": The promise to bring forth the Messiah from Abraham’s lineage was also repeated (earlier in Genesis 12:3). The Messiah – the only Son of God the Father – would fulfill this promise of blessing to all the nations of the earth.

Abdulgaffar22:
@ Originakalokalo

You wrote;

"Regardless, God will not be tired of the blood of Jesus as he was the blood of animals".


Pls show us a single biblical verse directly from God's mouth to prove that He will not be tired of blood of Jesus.

I am saying it again ; sincere repentance from our sinful ways is far more important than any of the blood sacrifice. The is the reason why Jesus declare as follows;

I did not come to call the righteous but sinners to REPENTANCE (Luke 5:32).

Jesus was talking about the purpose of his coming with respect to the sinners in this very verse. Why did he not say he came to die for the sinners ?

❝I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.❞
—John 8: 24 (KJV)
https://zbible.page/kjv-strg

Abdulgaffar22:
Again, If it was after the death of Jesus and the tearing of the temple's veil from top to bottom that people can have access to God's presence, then how did old testament saints like Abraham, Moses and the likes manage to have their access and reconciliation back to God during their life time on the earth surface ?

People had access to God on individual basis. The priests had access. Daniel, Moses, Joshua, etc.

After the veil was torn, EVERYONE NOW HAS ACCESS