mrZENographer:


Elijah decreed famine for 3 and half years

God told Elijah to hide himself from King Ahab in the Brook by Jordan and said, I have commanded the Ravens to give you food day and night. God sent Ravens to feed Elijah day and night. 1 Kings 17

This also sounds foolish to you? Bros that story is a Lie

KendrickAyomide:
so God also sent animals to trek from thousands of miles . How will they not die?

Judybash93:


Good point...

But...we have evidences of events that occurred thousands and even millions of years locked up in dirt over the years..... why can't we get evidences pointing out the occurrence of a global flood even after much research....

Adek15:
lolz.. I won't regret it if I know the past, the present and the future. Remember God knows everything, shouldn't he know man would go astray?

grrr:


Well firstly, He also knew the devil will betray him why did He still create the devil?

Like it was written that a person will betray Jesus, why did God still create that person?

The truth is what He has said in His word
"My ways are not your ways, my thoughts not your thoughts"

As far as the heavens are so are His ways higher than ours.

God has a plan in all of this which our small minds still tries to rationalize but sadly it cant comprehend!

I know where this is leading to, that there is no God and if there is a God, why will He allow things like this to occur.

You can never understand His ways. Our little questions here are not questions but a way to challenge Him

Well like I said over a billion people cant be wrong

dazzlingd:


To say u mumu will be an understatement of the year, so u are comparing siblings with races. Do you know the differences in races, so why u never born Chinese.. Can a Chinese couple born an Indian.? We are talking of differences like heights, bone density, hair texture, skin texture, colour of eyes...blacks will always be Blacks and cannot born Chinese or Indian. So why after Noahs ark, that year wey that flood happen and Noah born all the races for earth today, since then, nobody don born green pikin or red human being.? Na only Noah sabi born different new races ba

2. So they waited till the plants grew, so wetin dem tiger, lion, cheetah come dey chop, dem wait for the goat to born, then the goat wey dem born come grow and born more goats... Oga if dem no teach u, you suppose know say that food chain no dey possible.

3. Now I confirm your education fees has to be refunded with interest.. So u think if the whole world becomes flooded, then salt water mix with fresh water... Stop watching Africa magic., start watching national geo... Even if u do fish farming, u will know that two different fishes can't survive under same condition.. Difference in temperature, salinity, density, affects aquatic animals and many fishes would have perished today...
Oga, your brain is for thinking, so water wey cover Mount Everest,, where did that water disappear to, the water just enter ground ba and you think u are smart.

Funaki:
but how could God regret creating men when he knew their abilities? The bible said God knows all things, he knew the end from the beginning. How was he shocked by the actions of men during Noah's time?

eodavids:


In essence, the Devil corrupted humans so badly that it grieved God.
God created humans to obey Him, but they learnt to disobey Him rather (from the rival)...

He who has an ear, let him hear

Funaki:

we can't know and understand his way, but you know so much to tell me about him. . How do you know so much about him if he's so mysterious to be known?
are we all surmising about God and we don't really know anything about him? if that's true, why do you think you are right about what you know right now?

realmindz:


Let me help with this issue of timing once and for all, once we get it right, we can continue.

The Bible gave the genealogy of Jesus Christ from the first man to Jesus... From Jesus till date is about 2000 years..


Adam to Jesus was about 60 generations which amounts to about 6000 years at the MOST. meaning from Adam to us at the most is less than 8 thousand years.

So Noah to our generation definitely less than 8k years


Then u can have you appropriate timing.

You are the same guy who spoke of genetic optimisation, so tell me what amount of genetic optimisation, continental drift, scientific theory, algorithm could have derived all these variations and answer all these doubts. Please answer sincerely

realmindz:


Salt water mixing with fresh water will happen when the entire world becomes flooded, that will weaken your argument as to the fact that aquatic animals can't survive under same habitat..... Also density and water pressure will change with increase in volume and variation of salinity and temperature.
meaning, many aquatic animals will die and probably go into extinction


I like the way you present your theories though, I wish many religious folks can come up like this.

realmindz:


I've replied you with a break down of the time being less than 8k years..

The expansion of the universe resulting in velocity difference, distances, time relativity... Etc, these factors don't make significant impacts in millons of years...so it's safe to say those are negligible factors considering events that happen even in the last 20 thousand years... We can dispense with them.

realmindz:


Science is trying it's best to explain our origin, those are the real MVP's...people searching for our answers using available evidences and clues, science does not boast to have gotten it right...
It's a wrong idea to stick to what you have been thought to believe without questioning or digging for further truth. That science hasn't gotten the full facts about our origin doesn't make religion the correct version.... So far, science is still the best means to answers of our origin and still work in progress.

At first, we knew only of our flat world. Over the years with the help of science, we can now say our world is spherical, we talk of other planets, talk of other solar systems ,galaxies and the universe... We have been able to predict ages of rocks, able to dig underground... Able to prove that human life has been in existence over 200,000 years ago, we have been able to study of genes, medical sciences have improved, while a part of science is tracing our origin, another part is moving us forward to the future to solve our immediate problems and create a more advanced future using same pracrical approach.

No one said you originated from tadpoles, but we now know how a sperm and egg looks like, we can now write the empirical formula of compounds and create new compounds, we can now blend materials to produce new materials of better quality...

grrr:


Let them watch biblical evidences on youtube, I bet they will believe. I have watched many videos of excavations by Archeologists which showed that these sites existed

And not only that, I have also experienced Jesus and seen the hand of God in situations to know that the Holy bible is real!

GerogeI:
Noah alone lived for 950 years, almost a millennium, figure that.

GerogeI:


60 generations of men with vastly different lifespans from 1000 years to 100 years. Noah alone lived for 950 years, almost a millennium, figure that. 10 successive generations of Noah would have approached 10k years if you want to be literal. I suggest you stop reading bible years in literal terms.

As for time for differentiation, I hope you know scientifically homo sapiens are barely 300,000 years old. With some of our closest so called ancestors featuring as near as 40,000 years ago.

The closest thing science has identified as close to Noah's flood is the Ice age. The last one ended only 11,700 years ago. Biological variation does not take millions of years, you yourself is a living proof of it. It takes place over thousands of years.

realmindz:


Let's over estimate and give each generation a 1000 year each, then that amounts to 60 thousand years from Adam till our present generation.
That's still not enough.... 60k years is still far from being enough.
I'm glad you made mention of some scientific facts like homo sapiens dating far more than 200k years
Also you made mention of ice age, the first ice age dates back as far as billions of years ago... This ice age carry fossils of ancient animals and plants meaning there have been animals and plants as far back as then here on earth.....
Doesn't this scientific facts further weaken religious claims and creation stories..
Because it is evident that the earth has been for billions of years with animals and plants in it, homo sapiens have been far more than 200k years ago.
But unfortunately, the best we could get from the Bible if we over and over estimate to the limit is still far less than 100k years....

And believe me, for a variation as much as our races, it will take millions of years for such to happen... Races cannot form over thousand of years....we are talking of billions of people not just a few hundreds or tens, billions of people in different races, meaning that races were never newly formed over thousand of years ago, or how possible did all the races in the world were rapidly formed just after the flood, and after then, since men started taking records over thousand of years ago, no new race has been formed... Isn't that an unquestionable flaw in the argument....that's where you theory of genetically optimisation failed in this context, genetic optimisation does not rapidly create entire new species that will rapidly populate in that same line of variation into billions and here we aren't talking of just one variation but multiple variations, Asians, Caucasians, Negros ,even among blacks, there are still differences, a Nigerian doesn't look like a Kenyan.... There are races and sub-races... Even in Nigeria, a typical Yoruba man does not look like Fulani man... these differences in all ramifications can never be formed in thousand years....


And regarding the decrease in velocity of the earth, scientific research amount the rate to about 2.3 Milliseconds per century.... Meaning, I was right...it will take millions of years for such decrease to even amount to something as significant as a minute , so we can dispense with it

Tejiriseth:
Jesus Left millions of starving kids, Kids getting raped and decided to touch you, thats alot of Misplace Priority
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Maybe me and you can do a prayer challange to see if this your God works.!
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realmindz:


Let's over estimate and give each generation a 1000 year each, then that amounts to 60 thousand years from Adam till our present generation.
That's still not enough.... 60k years is still far from being enough.
I'm glad you made mention of some scientific facts like homo sapiens dating far more than 200k years
Also you made mention of ice age, the first ice age dates back as far as billions of years ago... This ice age carry fossils of ancient animals and plants meaning there have been animals and plants as far back as then here on earth.....
Doesn't this scientific facts further weaken religious claims and creation stories..
Because it is evident that the earth has been for billions of years with animals and plants in it, homo sapiens have been far more than 200k years ago.
But unfortunately, the best we could get from the Bible if we over and over estimate to the limit is still far less than 100k years....

And believe me, for a variation as much as our races, it will take millions of years for such to happen... Races cannot form over thousand of years....we are talking of billions of people not just a few hundreds or tens, billions of people in different races, meaning that races were never newly formed over thousand of years ago, or how possible did all the races in the world were rapidly formed just after the flood, and after then, since men started taking records over thousand of years ago, no new race has been formed... Isn't that an unquestionable flaw in the argument....that's where you theory of genetically optimisation failed in this context, genetic optimisation does not rapidly create entire new species that will rapidly populate in that same line of variation into billions and here we aren't talking of just one variation but multiple variations, Asians, Caucasians, Negros ,even among blacks, there are still differences, a Nigerian doesn't look like a Kenyan.... There are races and sub-races... Even in Nigeria, a typical Yoruba man does not look like Fulani man... these differences in all ramifications can never be formed in thousand years....


And regarding the decrease in velocity of the earth, scientific research amount the rate to about 2.3 Milliseconds per century.... Meaning, I was right...it will take millions of years for such decrease to even amount to something as significant as a minute , so we can dispense with it

grrr:


Okay lets answer it this way!
Why dont we get evidences that the earth was without form and void when God created it?

Why also did we not get evidence of how mount everest came to existence since we must have a prove for everything before we believe!

The pure answer is this, science cannot explain everthing. Some issues are just too big for science to explain.

A question again how do you explain how ordinary air you breathe in, mixes with blood and you get to live and when you put a fish in the same air, it dies or a bird flying in the air is put in the same water where a fish lives and yet it dies?

TrajansKong:
This must be the dumbest thread I have ever read on Nairaland. These stories from the Bible are myths, metaphor, legends and folklore created to introduce ideas ideas to societies and cultures where most could not read. For example, Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden = the consequences of knowledge acquisition and self-awareness. Noah's Ark= the rewards of obedience to higher authority and duties thereunto.

The writers of these stories could NEVER in their wildest dreams have imagined a population of adults so dommm as to actually believe in a woman turning to a pillar of salt, a 500 year old man (Noah) spending 100 years to build a boat containing 2 of each life form on Earth, a man living in the belly of a whale, a talking snake, a talking donkey etc, etc...

This is deeply, deeply troubling...

Funaki:


you like arguing with people that are hidebound. Adam to Abraham is 20 generations, Abraham to Jesus is 42 generations. So, 2000 years ago, we've only had 62 generations of homo sapiens according to the bible. Anyone arguing this is just trying to shift goal post. 62 generations can't even make up to 10000 years.

Judybash93:

I like the way you argue. No sentiments.. I'm impressed
In relation to Mount Everest, sure, there's evidence to prove that at a point the earth's outer layer was a massive supercontinent named Vaalbara and other subsequent ones that appeared over the course of the years. The constant movement of the crust have been observed in the various tectonic plates around the world and this gives birth to mountain folds and the movements can also be attributed to events such as earthquakes and the likes... Those folds have been attributed to create mountain folds such as the Himalayas (that's where mount Everest is), atlas, Andes and the rest... In relation to other stuffs like how birds adapted to flying and how fish adapted to living in water.... It's called adaptation and it takes a shitload of years for that to occur
You might ask why this is even important and I'll say it's because of the truth...

Don't get me wrong.. I'm not ruling out the existence of a supreme being or other stuffs like that but the Judeo-Christian deity isn't the only deity that exists and there were others that existed before it and the Bible we're reading today doesn't even come close to what it was at the initial point.

I'm sorry for the late response. I live in an entirely different time zone

bixton:



Apologies....
Can you expantiate on the bold.

Lordave:
But he hardened the heart of Pharoa.

Bible is just shít admit it and be free.

bixton:


What number of years makes a generation?

TrajansKong:


You mean to tell us that the creator of the Universe - the creator of EVERYTHING - has a rival??

eodavids:


There is permissiveness in Gods approach to people, things and circumstances.

In fact, its God permissive will that you keep typing your key Board even in disrespect to Him; after all, when you convert to Godliness you will forsake this foolishness. If however your life ends miserably like this, then you will learn what the frog learnt at an odd hour: THAT THERE ARE TWO TYPES OF WATER