Ugosample:


it's mostly ladies without common sense that talks like that

my grand mother's that popped babies aplenty should then say what?

and the two of them were champions of flogging and smacking

ornicus:
yes, all the wonderful beatings have made us wonderful nigerians and world class leaders , not so?

i'm sure the yahoo boys, ritual u murderers, gang rapists , thieving politicians, fulani herdsmen, armed robbers, killer policemen, sars , drug dealers etc were never flogged in their childhood.

look around you and you can see the benefits of corporal punishment everywhere

laura ikeji much as i loathe her, is right.

all most of this beating does is reinforce a mindset that violence , solves all problems

and violence is the last refuge of the incompetent

that is why you see people , well dressed in a car accident immediately begin fighting. because that is what they have been taught by beatings
that is why youth corpers will go into an office to seize [steal] computers
that is why frustrated parents are beating their kids to death.

we see them on this forum too, unable to make an argument without threats of violence and i will deal with you.

you want to see what beatings do to a person - watch how tacha of bbn relates versus the way mike relates
that is what beating ultimately does, and we see it everywhere. we are all aggressive and violent

Kingosytex:
Yeye de smell. She think say na America be dis?


If you spare the rod, you spoil the child.

sinaj:
which is why I pointed out that some parents and teachers abuse it.
That doesnt mean it should be taken away, but rather watched.

JuanDeDios:

I know how to read and I read what you wrote well. Your skittish response doesn't change that.

Yes, the societies are different, but what some of you fail to realise is that (1) "punishment" can be administered without getting physical, and (2) as long as caning is legal it will always be abused - same way we fail to realise that as long as it's allowed for the police to use gun in dealing with unarmed people in any circumstances, these killings will always occur. Laura Ikeji is right - caning should be outlawed, especially in schools.

cnonyechi:


Champions hahaha try my mother she be super star for beating and it helped me

hero2000:




Your argument is like saying all robbers and kidnappers and Yahoo Yahoo all took bread, so bread should be banned!

Your argument is like saying all robbers and kidnappers and Yahoo Yahoo all took bread, so bread should be banned!

So USA wen they no dey beat their pikin, you no see as dem no dey fight? Lol!
What about the mass shootings??

[/quote]What makes children turn out badly is usually bad parenting. Not caning or caning is not the matter. And Believe me, good parenting usually involves caning when needed.

Kingosytex:


My town man does that. He has a particular room in his house in America that he labelled "NIGERIA", if any of his kids misbehaves, he takes that person straight into "NIGERIA" and deal with him. This sounds funny but true.

sinaj:
lollll
Following your logic,

Medicine should be outlawed too.
Guns should be outlawed and replaced with sticks
Alcohol should be outlawed.
Cigarette should be outlawed too.
Politicians should alsi be outlawed.

I understand your point on punishment being administered without being physical, but we should know that same way our societies, culture and all differ, is the same way children and characters differ.

I know about punishing via positive and negative reinforcement, but you should know it might not work on every child.

You might even have 3 children and use different disciplinary approach on them coz of how unique they are.

We shouldnt be quick to swallow everything from the westerners.

BlueAir:
Flogging doesn't have my support but nevertheless it puts some particular kind of children in place

Born2Breed:
Some people are confirmed idio.ts.

If you think sparing the rod spoils the child then flog your biological child, not the child I put in your care after paying you.

This has never happened to me and will never happen. If you flog my child then I flog you outside the school premises.

One silly woman on the run now,flogged her daughter to death all in the name of I don't want to spare the rod bull crap.

Most people supporting flogging ain't even married,carry belle and open ur leg to push baby out then u go understand mother hen and the chicks story.

Kingosytex:
Yeye de smell. She think say na America be dis?


If you spare the rod, you spoil the child.

sinaj:
Most african kids are well behaved compared to their white counterpart all thanks to flogging and punishment.

In as much as some parents and teachers abuse it same way drugs are abused, it shouldnt be taken away.

Before talking about making it illegal or having government taking people's kids, let her ask herself if the family court or social welfare unit is even effective. Is the government even capable of taking care of people's children?

She can as well experiment with her child here in naija or volunteer to teach in any high school in America to understand better before calling for the government to arrest parents that flog their kids.

sinaj:
lollll
Following your logic,

Medicine should be outlawed too.
Guns should be outlawed and replaced with sticks
Alcohol should be outlawed.
Cigarette should be outlawed too.
Politicians should alsi be outlawed.

I understand your point on punishment being administered without being physical, but we should know that same way our societies, culture and all differ, is the same way children and characters differ.

I know about punishing via positive and negative reinforcement, but you should know it might not work on every child.

You might even have 3 children and use different disciplinary approach on them coz of how unique they are.

We shouldnt be quick to swallow everything from the westerners.

Angelfrost:
Smh... This one thinks she actually matters.

It's actually the reduction in flogging and age long discipline in the last 2 decades that contributed to the high involvement in crime, whoring, rape, and other proclivities among our youths...

Every time I think of stealing or touching a lady inappropriately (not even rape) I just remember the strokes of cane received both at home and in school (more at school), and immediately my brain resets... There are many ways to discipline children, but flogging (within limits) is indispensable.

JuanDeDios:

See who's not reading between the lines now. Yes, guns should be outlawed in any relationship between a policeman and an unarmed citizen.

Last line is the mistake you people keep making - that any of this talk is Western. No. Human values, human rights, etc., are universal, even if some societies have so far made more progress at codifying them than others. I know someone who was depressed and people accused her of being oyinbo!

I agree that different things will work for different kids. But have you ever seen a teacher finding out what works for kids and disciplining them accordingly? No - they take the cane to every kid that misbehaves or fails to show up with some fee. Why? Because caning is always done in ANGER. Ask any mother you see caning her child, she'll tell you it's because she wants to correct the child. But check her temperament at that moment, and all you'll see is anger.

The real issue for me, though, is whether caning works. Here in Nigeria there are some who will tell you they were never caned - are they worse off? In the absence of any scientific study on the matter here, the anecdotal evidence is clear that caning does not make kids turn out better. The one thing it achieves is that it makes parenting less time-consuming - you don't have to REASON or DISCUSS or NEGOTIATE with the child - just cane him and go back to pilling egusi or watching TV. This is intuitive, it's the lazy man's approach to parenting. Good parenting is not intuitive - it takes deliberate efforts.

Angelfrost:


Our mothers went through all that and more, even had 4 to 6 children, and never spared the rod... Children were taken to teachers and school principals for proper discipline. This pattern of making light of old school discipline is what brought forth Bobrisky, Tacha, Invictus Obi, and the millions of rising criminals across the country...

Have you not heard that even the Boko Haram insurgency and high fraudulent activity among young ones is due to poor parental guidance?.. The facts speak for themselves.

Some kids can be raised without the need for flogging or other forms of strict punitive measures, but that will never work for all... Asking teachers not to flog kids in schools, and even threatening to attack the teacher is the worst form of parenting I have ever heard in my life.. Damn. You actually sound like an enabler.

...And please stop that emotional rant about conception and child delivery. No one compelled you to be a mother...

NotFarFrom:
I agree with her. There are other means to correct a child and he will be remorseful.

EgunMogaji2:
Anyone that teachs any of my kids has simply signed his execution.