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Re: Giving Your Tithe To The Church Or To The Needy: What The Bible Really Says by alBHAGDADI: 4:21pm On Oct 13, 2019 |
nwanyionitsha: Do the present Jews follow God or Jesus? No. How come Jesus and the apostles didn't brush their teeth? |
Re: Giving Your Tithe To The Church Or To The Needy: What The Bible Really Says by alBHAGDADI: 4:27pm On Oct 13, 2019 |
sshyne: Stop being a blind bat. The law is not to be depended on for salvation. What we are depending on now is Jesus because we couldn't keep the whole law perfectly. If you decided to keep the law towards salvation, then ensure you keep the whole law. Ensure you never break a single one of it. If you pass all but break one, you will be guilty of even the ones you passed. That's why Paul said such a person is cursed for depending on the law for his salvation. So he days we should depend on Jesus for salvation. Does that mean I can now go about killing people and even becoming homosexual against the law? No, because if I do God will punish me. That's shows that the law is still effective in that regard but not towards salvation. Depending on it for salvation places you under curse because you will always fail. Do you now understand? But yo you, you thought Paul meant the law has been discarded. If so, kindly break the below law by having g hot sex with your mother tonight and see if the society and God won't punish you Leviticus 18:6 None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their unclothedness: I am the LORD. |
Re: Giving Your Tithe To The Church Or To The Needy: What The Bible Really Says by caye(m): 4:28pm On Oct 13, 2019 |
solmusdesigns:THIS , MY FRIEND , IS ONE OF THE FOUNDATIONAL PROBLEMS OF AFRICANS. They think the desert Gods care about the black race. They (we) Africans do not know we must find our own path to God, not by following other races blindly, because we have different destinies and psychological traits. |
Re: Giving Your Tithe To The Church Or To The Needy: What The Bible Really Says by alBHAGDADI: 4:30pm On Oct 13, 2019 |
Onyxqueen: Now, let me play the game you anti-tithers love to play. The Bible gave that record only once. Where does it say that was how Jesus was always getting his money? |
Re: Giving Your Tithe To The Church Or To The Needy: What The Bible Really Says by alBHAGDADI: 4:38pm On Oct 13, 2019 |
shadeyinka: I don't go about asking how churches spend tithe money, so I can't mention any church that pays choirsters. No one is equating pastors with Levites. Pastors are greater than Levites. Pastors are in the same league with Aaron the Priest who was ordained by God to eat from the tithe. And don't feed me that crap of "we are priesthood". How many of those so-called priesthood are full-time priests? How many of them work in the house of God? How many of them go soulwinning? They do nothing but fold their arms and open their dirty mouth to claim priesthood. Stop acting like the tithe was solely for the Levites. Before the Levi the grandfather of the Levites was born, the tithe was for the priest Melchizedec. Levites came along and a portion was given to them. |
Re: Giving Your Tithe To The Church Or To The Needy: What The Bible Really Says by Onyxqueen: 4:44pm On Oct 13, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: You can infer from that instance that 1. Jesus had NEED for money 2. Jesus did not direct his disciples/followers to give to him without directing them on where to get from 3. Jesus did not direct his disciples/followers to take money off other people by telling them they are thieves if they don't give to God their tithe I want to ask my friend, our pastors and followers of Christ, when they are in NEED of funds, do these inferences apply to them? Bless you! |
Re: Giving Your Tithe To The Church Or To The Needy: What The Bible Really Says by sykeng(m): 4:45pm On Oct 13, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: Since tithe, as important as some christians see it didn't have a mention during their time then it has no relevance in modern day christianity. Brushing my teeth cannot make me sin against God so is tithing. |
Re: Giving Your Tithe To The Church Or To The Needy: What The Bible Really Says by sshyne(m): 4:47pm On Oct 13, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: Its sure you have being sleeping with your mom because you keep making the same statement. You are the most confused idiot I have ever seen and everyone can see that. You are just contradicting yourself and it shows how stupid you are. I'm sure you are married with kids, it's people like you that your wife seek real men to sleep with. I'm sure you definitely don't know that. You think you can run a family with this your dumbness? I will say this again, you are a thief and that curse will definitely be on your children. The gospel of Christ is not profitable that's why you all follow the law. Even the jews don't pay tithe anymore. IT'S OBVIOUS YOUR GOD IS YOUR BELLY Go and work make hunger no finish your family. THIEF , BARAWO 1 Like |
Re: Giving Your Tithe To The Church Or To The Needy: What The Bible Really Says by alBHAGDADI: 4:50pm On Oct 13, 2019 |
Onyxqueen: People gave to Jesus, not only that fish. Luke 8:3 And Joanna the wife of Chuza Herod's steward, and Susanna, and many others, which ministered unto him of their substance. Jesus called people who don't pay tithe thieves. Or who do you think was talking in Malachai 3? |
Re: Giving Your Tithe To The Church Or To The Needy: What The Bible Really Says by alBHAGDADI: 4:51pm On Oct 13, 2019 |
sshyne: This one couldn't counter my points, so he resorted to tantrums? |
Re: Giving Your Tithe To The Church Or To The Needy: What The Bible Really Says by Nobody: 5:13pm On Oct 13, 2019 |
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Re: Giving Your Tithe To The Church Or To The Needy: What The Bible Really Says by Nobody: 5:15pm On Oct 13, 2019 |
I attend Redeemed Christian Church of God. Regrettably, there is too much hypocrisy in Christianity today. God asked the LEVITES to pay tithes but it was in the old testament. He was talking to the LEVITES and not us. Secondly, when Christ came, Old testament was abolished and all it's laws were abolished too. Then, women were not allowed to be priests, women in their monthly periods were considered unclean, pork was forbidden, beards too. Sabbath day was to be kept holy. Now, in this Era of Grace ( Christ) (New Testament), we have done away with all of that. We hardly keep the Sabbath day holy, women are taking over from men as priests & pastors. We consume pork freely either directly or in foods like burger. But my question is "Why have we refused to do away with the obligation of Tithing"? Christ did not ask us to pay tithes or give out of obligation, He asks of us to Firstly give ourselves to Him. We are further admonished to give generously and willingly. ( Christ said if we assist our brethren, we have assisted him) I think it's time to do away with this tithing brouhaha and then willingly but generously give to humanity and perhaps to the Church too. God own us and all that we have, including our monies. How much shud I give to God for being so good to me? 10 percent of my salary? I don't think so. I can decide to give Him 30 percent, 50 percent, 5 Percent etc depending on my faith and willingness. Most importantly, I should give myself to God. How do I give myself to God? Through righteousness! Our pastors don't preach righteousness anymore but Tithing and Money Sad 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Giving Your Tithe To The Church Or To The Needy: What The Bible Really Says by shadeyinka(m): 5:24pm On Oct 13, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:alBHAGDADI, I do respect you for your insights on NL. Let's say here we differ. Pastors as far as I am concerned are just one group of people called by God amongst Apostles Prophets Teachers Evangelists Pastor The calling of a Pastor needn't be full-time. A pastor is a person specially gifted by the Holy Spirit to care, tend and heal members of the body of Christ. A pastor could be a Teacher in a secondary school but because of his gift, he is used of God in doing the work of Pastor to students. It is not compulsory that a Christian called by God oversee a ministry or physical church. If Pastors are the Aarons, what are the Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists and Teachers. Most of those laymen who teach in your Bible studies and Sunday school in church have the gift/calling of a Teacher. How about laymen who are evangelists in your church (are they not called and entitled to the tithes?) Eph 4:11-13: "And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ:" On a light note: There was a strange event that happened in my church today. After the minister finished preaching (on giving) today, a layman church (we call him Evengelist T.D. John) came up to speak and in less than 2 minutes 6 people rose up to give their lives to Jesus. That is the kind of grace he has (to win souls for Christ). Why did I bring this up? This Mr T.D. John is a career civil servant. The difference is that he also has the calling of an Evangelist. The Body of Christ is just where 2 or more are gathered in His name or where those who have Christ's Spirit are. About Pastors and soul winning: I am of the opinion that laymen do more soul winning than the average Pastor. When I was a teacher, I average around 10-15 witnessing contacts per week with almost half of them giving their lives to Christ. My spiritual gift/calling is not even close to being an Evangelist. Evangelism for me is just a duty every Christian is required to do. The church need plenty money to function properly but it doesn't absolve the leadership to emphasize Maturity in Christ, Discipleship, Righteous living, Productivity, Faithfulness and Faith in God rather than silver and gold on the bases of subtle deception to collect money. 2 Likes |
Re: Giving Your Tithe To The Church Or To The Needy: What The Bible Really Says by slenjaman(m): 5:38pm On Oct 13, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: But most churches have more than enough meat, so why pay tithe into such church. |
Re: Giving Your Tithe To The Church Or To The Needy: What The Bible Really Says by drakeli: 5:41pm On Oct 13, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:And so Jesus paid the tithe of the money he got from the fish mouth or he spent everything to pay tax? Of course he didn’t pay tithe out of it. Now if someone gift me money, your pastor would ask me for tithe of the money. Remember fish gifted Jesus money. |
Re: Giving Your Tithe To The Church Or To The Needy: What The Bible Really Says by alBHAGDADI: 6:04pm On Oct 13, 2019 |
shadeyinka: First understand the difference between the different offices, or else you will lump them as one. Apostles are usually those whom were chosen by Jesus. Apostle Paul was also chosen by Jesus. However, not a the apostles became pastors. Paul was never a pastor but we can say he was a prophet which is another word for preacher. He was also a teacher. His main duty was evangelism. Now, Peter, James, John etc were pastors or Bishops. They pastored churches, which Paul didn't because he was an evangelist. That's why he didn't take tithe. The Pastors were shepherds over actual churches and we're ordained. But you are mistaking the role of a teacher to mean a pastor. A Sunday school teacher is not a pastor but under a pastor. Just cos he teaches people doesn't make him a pastor. Same thing with a prophet who can't be called a pastor cos he's just a preacher. But a pastor can call himself a prophet cos he's a preacher. He can call himself an evangelist because he evangelizes. The pastor oversees a congregation like the priest of old, but others only do to a subset of it. That's why it is not anyhow person that can cause himself a pastor. Some call me a pastor here but I stop them because I'm not |
Re: Giving Your Tithe To The Church Or To The Needy: What The Bible Really Says by omojeesu(m): 6:16pm On Oct 13, 2019 |
Tithe not for Christians but freewill offerings to promote Kingdom work and support for the leaders. Giving to the poor is encouraged. |
Re: Giving Your Tithe To The Church Or To The Needy: What The Bible Really Says by Demzlent(m): 6:22pm On Oct 13, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: 23. And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always. |
Re: Giving Your Tithe To The Church Or To The Needy: What The Bible Really Says by nwanyionitsha: 6:31pm On Oct 13, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:But tithe is basically old testament which is the Torah. |
Re: Giving Your Tithe To The Church Or To The Needy: What The Bible Really Says by lookingfly: 6:36pm On Oct 13, 2019 |
Thisis2raw:how many times have you eaten fried chicken, rice and stew on a Sunday morning since when you've been paying tithe? |
Re: Giving Your Tithe To The Church Or To The Needy: What The Bible Really Says by Preffered: 6:40pm On Oct 13, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: It is either you are trying to be mischievous or you lack fundamental knowledge about this topic. Before I proceed, let me call your attention to these words in the Old testament: "Temple "," Terbanacle" and "Store-House". 1. Both Temple and Tabernacle are use interchangeably to refer to a place of worship in the testament. 2. The head or leader of the Temple or Tabernacle is the chief priest . Infact they dwell in the temple doing the work of God. There is no record in the old testament of anyone taking his or her tithe to the temple or tabernacle. The Temple or Tabernacle represents today's church and Pastor and priest are the equivalent of the chief priest. The Store-house is different from the Temple or Tabernacle . The Store-house is also not an arm or extension of Temple or Tabernacle The Store-house is a place or a provision established to take care of the weak, needy, orphans widows or anyone who cannot provide for His or herself either clean or unclean, Just or unjust. The Tabernacle or Temple in the old testament is a sacred place where "unclean people " don't enter because it bring instant judgement, it is a place of worship and worship alone. This explain the reason why Christ chase the merchants away in Matthew 21 :12. It is an error for you to conclude that tithe Should be taking to the church instead of it original purpose which is charity. 2 Likes |
Re: Giving Your Tithe To The Church Or To The Needy: What The Bible Really Says by izibili44: 6:41pm On Oct 13, 2019 |
Darkseid:HABA OLE GAN |
Re: Giving Your Tithe To The Church Or To The Needy: What The Bible Really Says by alBHAGDADI: 6:58pm On Oct 13, 2019 |
Preffered: The store house is an arm of God's house and it is to provide for the house of God. That is what God said below. But you are saying the store house is just a store house that has nothing to do with the house of God. Malachi 3:10 King James Version (KJV) Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. |
Re: Giving Your Tithe To The Church Or To The Needy: What The Bible Really Says by ImaIma1(f): 7:02pm On Oct 13, 2019 |
PureGoldh: Hope you won't pay your child's school fees to a teacher in need instead of to the school. It makes sense...at least you helped someone in need. |
Re: Giving Your Tithe To The Church Or To The Needy: What The Bible Really Says by shadeyinka(m): 7:08pm On Oct 13, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:I think we are lumping up definitions and roles together to fit into what we have nowadays. An Apostle is one who is called and SENT to a people or group to plant the church of Christ in difficult terrains. They are usually pioneers and loaded with multiple gifts and spiritual graces. (Most of the pioneers of Christianity in Africa are most likely Apostles) A Evangelist is a person specially gifted by the Holy Spirit to bring people to understand and accept the Gospel of Christ and thus making them members of the body of Christ (They have extraordinary graces of winning souls) A Teacher is a person specially gifted by the Holy Spirit to help members of the body of Christ understand scriptural truths and show them how to apply the word of God to their lives (They make scriptures understandable and show how to live it successfully) A Prophet is a person specially gifted by the Holy Spirit to speak the mind of Christ and to give instructions and encouragement to a church, nation or members concerning their situations in Foretelling (future happenings), Posttelling (what had happened in the past) and Nowtelling (Present unknown events) A Pastor is a person specially gifted by the Holy Spirit to care, tend and heal members of the body of Christ. I don't believe that some spiritual callings are ceased or collapsed into the roles of a pastor. I believe you also know that a person can have more than one calling/office. Paul was at least an Apostle and Teacher. A Sunday school teacher is NOT a pastor unless he has been called as one by Christ. A teacher is not a Pastor unless he has been gifted/called as one. Our present day church adminstration has relegated the other offices and collapsed the under the title Pastor. But this wasn't how it was before, however this was allowed to prevent doctrinal confusions and errors flying about within churches. In Bible times, Teachers moved from church to church to minister (and there were cases of even some of them spreading heresies). I want to believe that you don't hold the doctrine that some spiritual gifts/offices has ceased 3 Likes |
Re: Giving Your Tithe To The Church Or To The Needy: What The Bible Really Says by Preffered: 7:16pm On Oct 13, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: Malachi 2:1 And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you. For your information, Malachi is actually addressing priest that Default in taking their tithe to store house. Malachi 2:8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts. [13]And this have ye done again, covering the altar of the LORD with tears, with weeping, and with crying out, insomuch that he regardeth not the offering any more, or receiveth it with good will at your hand. What started in chapter 2 continue in chapter of Malachi. |
Re: Giving Your Tithe To The Church Or To The Needy: What The Bible Really Says by alBHAGDADI: 7:58pm On Oct 13, 2019 |
Preffered: How did you know chapter 3 is a continuation of chapter 2? How comes it's not a continuation of chapter 1? |
Re: Giving Your Tithe To The Church Or To The Needy: What The Bible Really Says by alBHAGDADI: 8:01pm On Oct 13, 2019 |
ImaIma1: Don't mind him. By the time the school sends his kid packing, that's when he'll have sense. |
Re: Giving Your Tithe To The Church Or To The Needy: What The Bible Really Says by MrHeff(m): 8:47pm On Oct 13, 2019 |
Thisis2raw:funny how you people choose which scriptures to select from the old testament and which ones to ignore. Scammers buruku. |
Re: Giving Your Tithe To The Church Or To The Needy: What The Bible Really Says by Emin25: 8:56pm On Oct 13, 2019 |
Point of Correction We give Tithe....... we don't pay Tithe...You can't pay God,Even the money your having is all his own,his the giver of all |
Re: Giving Your Tithe To The Church Or To The Needy: What The Bible Really Says by Thisis2raw(m): 9:34pm On Oct 13, 2019 |
lookingfly:can't even count, some of us are not doing bad in life. We are comfortable |
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