darfay:



That means there is a possibility of having a unified/central standard dialect created for the plateau tribes...
BTW I think the isoko and urhobo constitute a dialect continuum, but asides language every other thing is 100% same

Not really, cos those tribes I listed are like 35% of the state. They are the Chadic speakers who from my calculations immigrated to the Plateau about 1000 years ago during the Kanuri expansion into present day Northeast Nigeria.

My ethnic group, and other ethnic groups like the Rons & Beroms who speak Platoid languages are of a much older origin on the Plateau and are very different even from each other but with little similarities. The Taroks are like a hybrid between the Aboriginal Platoid speakers and Chadic speakers. People in Bassa area are of same stock with their neighbors in Lere part of Southern Kaduna. In summary it is a big Mish mash up .

In southern Kaduna, the Platoid speakers are the majority, that is the Katafs, Bajjus, Gong, Fanstuam, Kaninkon, Aticherak e.t.c and they understand themselves to an extent.

In the future, I will study more about these things. We can recreate a single central language for Plateau & Southern Kaduna, but it will have to be a merger of at least 4 language groups and will be very confusing.



Between Isoko & Urhobo, the difference between various Urhobo dialects is the same difference between any Urhobo dialect and Isoko.
Okpe is as different from Ughelli dialect as Isoko is different from Uvwie dialect. ... These things are very very fluid.

MoIbrahim:
When I wrote I didn't say northern or southern.
By the way, Kaduna is divided into Southern, Central and Northen districts and there are christians in all the three districts. And beyond the media rhetorics to score political points, there lots of muslims in the southern district too.

Kaduna is culturally divided into a Northern half and a Southern half.
The tribes on the South, the Hausa-fulanis on the north. You cannot use the senatorial districts to divide the state culturally because it is flawed.

Yes there are lots of Muslims in Southern Kaduna just as there are lots of Christians in Northern Kaduna too.

There are Hausa Muslim settlers and immigrants in Southern Kaduna and there are indigenous muslims from indigenous tribes in Southern Kaduna.

Likewise there are indigenous Hausa christians of Northern Kaduna as well as there are Igbo and other northern tribes christians who are immigrants in Northern Kaduna.

People tend not to understand these simple differences.

Nowenuse:


Not really, cos those tribes I listed are like 35% of the state. They are the Chadic speakers who from my calculations immigrated to the Plateau about 1000 years ago during the Kanuri expansion into present day Northeast Nigeria.

My ethnic group, and other ethnic groups like the Rons & Beroms who speak Platoid languages are of a much older origin on the Plateau and are very different even from each other but with little similarities. The Taroks are like a hybrid between the Aboriginal Platoid speakers and Chadic speakers. People in Bassa area are of same stock with their neighbors in Lere part of Southern Kaduna. In summary it is a big Mish mash up .

In southern Kaduna, the Platoid speakers are the majority, that is the Katafs, Bajjus, Gong, Fanstuam, Kaninkon, Aticherak e.t.c and they understand themselves to an extent.

In the future, I will study more about these things. We can recreate a single central language for Plateau & Southern Kaduna, but it will have to be a merger of at least 4 language groups and will be very confusing.



Between Isoko & Urhobo, the difference between various Urhobo dialects is the same difference between any Urhobo dialect and Isoko.
Okpe is as different from Ughelli dialect as Isoko is different from Uvwie dialect. ... These things are very very fluid.

Quite diverse I must say. But since most tribes have been there for a long time, population is supposed to be on the high, I read somewhere that every village in gwoza borno state speaks a different language .How did the plateau tribes survive the jihad

darfay:


Quite diverse I must say. But since most tribes have been there for a long time, population is supposed to be on the high, I read somewhere that every village in gwoza borno state speaks a different language .How did the plateau tribes survive the jihad

The tribes raided and enslaved each other heavily in the past. I think this was the major cause of low population.
Also, there is a very very strong culture of the kind of witchcraft I call 'destructive family witchcraft' in these areas and the early adoption of orthodox Christianity did not help matters.

Yes what you heard about Gwoza is very true. Gwoza is also a mountain too.

Plateau and northern Nasarawa tribes used the mountains to their advantage just like the highland Christians of Ethiopia & Eriterea who are surrounded by lowland muslims on every front but were never Islamized for a thousand years since all their neighbors became Islamized.
Danfodio's and Fulanis horses could not easily climb the Plateau while the natives who had the advantage from the top were heavily armed and skilled in bow & arrows.

Thank you for saying exactly what I have said, with detail explanation for those who need to know.
Wehdon!

Nowenuse:


Kaduna is culturally divided into a Northern half and a Southern half.
The tribes on the South, the Hausa-fulanis on the north. You cannot use the senatorial districts to divide the state culturally because it is flawed.

Yes there are lots of Muslims in Southern Kaduna just as there are lots of Christians in Northern Kaduna too.

There are Hausa Muslim settlers and immigrants in Southern Kaduna and there are indigenous muslims from indigenous tribes in Southern Kaduna.

Likewise there are indigenous Hausa christians of Northern Kaduna as well as there are Igbo and other northern tribes christians who are immigrants in Northern Kaduna.

People tend not to understand these simple differences.

helinues:
Whats the meaning of this title ' Indigenous Hausa Christians Of Kano '

I wonder o

I follow the two cogent writer @ vanghnsangrey and @nowenuse.

The later was bias ..think his a Muslim.
The later was detailed with sound knowlegde of religion/cultural history of northern Nigeria.


Thanks @ nowenuse....I learn

Thank u @XcelMan, please correct your previous comment on this thread....

You were supposed to say THE FORMER when describing vanghnsangrey not the latter.

Nowenuse:
Thank u @XcelMan, please correct your previous comment on this thread....

You were supposed to say THE FORMER when describing vanghnsangrey not the latter.

*the former
Actually what I wanted to write

Thanks

gaetano:
Indigenous Hausa Christians of Kano mark Christmas. See how happy they are


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpiX3ydBkiM

Source: daily trust YouTube page

WORD! Mainly SOUTHERN KANO... Kanawa Dabo!

nice people

Nowenuse:


Most Christians in Kebbi and Kaduna are not Hausa by tribe, unless you mean northern Kebbi and northern Kaduna.

Please there are native Muslim Hausas, even in southern Kaduna. Don't work with newspapers, do your research well,