englishmart:
Let me just pretend you've encountered God.

Acehart:
You seem not to have read the Bible cover-to-cover. It is very glaring right from the first pages of the Bible that Children of God suffer. You should read Psalms 73 to see what we, the children of God, go through when we see the wicked enjoying while we suffer.

From what I insinuated earlier, you read the Christian scriptures sparingly but you sound like you know the word of God page to page (but it has disappointed you).

Suffering achieves two things for the children of God:

1. To expunge the love of sin in us. This is when suffering comes as judgement (discipline).

2. To bring out the nature God made us for. (This is what many call the Gethsemane experience. Gethsemane means Garden of pressing. (There was an oil press factory in that garden)).

The two points seem like the same except that point two makes the Child of God become helpless and makes his total hope to be on God. Our old, unreformed, nature is hostile to God. After becoming saved, that nature still lingers. God uses suffering to remove that nature and leaves us with the pure nature he made us in - the nature of Christ.

Roycemadeit:

Yes, they choose.
And let me add no one is ever alienated from God

Acehart:
Mark 9:7 Then a cloud formed, overshadowing them, and a voice came out of the cloud, "This is My beloved Son, listen to (only) Him!"

This is one of the most important verses in the Christian scriptures. The Father expressly told the apostles not to pay attention to the words of Moses or that Elijah. If you have read the Holy Bible up to this point, your natural reaction will be to “delete” every word of Moses and the sections concerning Elijah in your Bible. Moses himself had stated that a greater prophet than him will come whom the people should listen to. Every contradiction that you think exists in the Bible exists when you juxtapose what men said with what God Himself said. Today, we lay a lot of emphasis on Moses’ words and actions that we face a lot of spiritual anxiety. Instead of vilifying Elijah’s bloodletting, we glorify his heinous act.

Does God exist? Checkout your fingerprint login on your phone; no one in this world of over 4 billion people can have access to your phone except you - that is some excellent design there if you would think about it.




The God of Heaven is a sovereign God; He does as He wishes and because He is excellent, He does all things well and knows all things well. Prayer is not a “genie-effect”. If someone who is mightier than you and knows more than you is before you; and you could make a request before such a one, your words will be with exquisite submission. But you have not recognized the true God’s character.

Finally, I’d like to ask: what is your value in the universe?

Pataricatering:
And u chose Nigeria ?

khia:
@ the Op, those people who died in the Holocaust were not God's people.

SmellingAnus:
you deliberately ignored our conversation... Lol

whitelotus:


Everything, including my excrement? Shite? Feces?

midnighter:
You need to learn how to study a text in context. You dont just pick out random verses and compare them and expect them to still make sense to you.

People study theology for years to be able to preach the Bible with wisdom and youre here plucking random verses out of thin air and talking of atheism smh

midnighter:


No lol I started responding but I had to think about what you wrote since it was quite sensitive.

Acehart:
Mark 9:7 Then a cloud formed, overshadowing them, and a voice came out of the cloud, "This is My beloved Son, listen to (only) Him!"

This is one of the most important verses in the Christian scriptures. The Father expressly told the apostles not to pay attention to the words of Moses or that Elijah. If you have read the Holy Bible up to this point, your natural reaction will be to “delete” every word of Moses and the sections concerning Elijah in your Bible. Moses himself had stated that a greater prophet than him will come whom the people should listen to. Every contradiction that you think exists in the Bible exists when you juxtapose what men said with what God Himself said. Today, we lay a lot of emphasis on Moses’ words and actions that we face a lot of spiritual anxiety. Instead of vilifying Elijah’s bloodletting, we glorify his heinous act.

Does God exist? Checkout your fingerprint login on your phone; no one in this world of over 4 billion people can have access to your phone except you - that is some excellent design there if you would think about it.

The God of Heaven is a sovereign God; He does as He wishes and because He is excellent, He does all things well and knows all things well. Prayer is not a “genie-effect”. If someone who is mightier than you and knows more than you is before you; and you could make a request before such a one, your words will be with exquisite submission. But you have not recognized the true God’s character.

Finally, I’d like to ask: what is your value in the universe?

cooltola:

Ok wish you the best

Roycemadeit:

Yes, it might have been consciously or it was determined by my actions in a pastlife.

Obi1kenobi:
There is not a single person in this thread who is waiting for God to come down and personally rule Nigeria into an age of prosperity. The unserious arguments here based on strawman distortions of the arguments of your adversaries are coming from you and you're projecting that unseriousness on others. The only serious context of that comment was on the futility of religion in a country where everyone is a zealous religionist, but can't translate their faith into substantive progress. If their faith is real, we expect to see it validated in wisdom and competence and cooperative harmony and mindfulness and selfless, altruistic service to the community, and virtuous living and transparency and accountability and everything that makes good leadership and engaged followership in a working, functional society. That is how we expect faith to manifest in our society if divinely guided. Not strawman arguments about God or Jesus personally coming down from heaven or something.

Being "neat and orderly" is a humanistic value of harmonious societies, so Japanese or Korean or Finnish or Scandinavian people aren't neat and orderly because it's some kind of religious duty. ANd you're correct that failing at this is our failure. Again, you're stating obvious things that nobody is arguing against and missing the crux of the argument. The crux of the argument being in what ways are our society materially transformed by all the religiosity? I went to missionary schools as a child where everyday, we had to recite "Prayer for Nigeria in Distress" and "Prayer against Bribery and Corruption in Nigeria". Every single day. I've been reciting these stuff even before perfecting my reading in nursery and early primary school. I just used to listen to people mindlessly chant the prayers in church and I could recite it. Over 2 decades later, and these prayers are still chanted in Catholic masses all over Nigeria and we're still as much a corrupt and as wretched and miserable a shiithole as we've ever been for decades. So why not simply be engaged citizens who try to reform or revolutionize the system with mass action? Why even bother praying about it when the efficacy of that is pretty much zero influence level?

k4kenny:


Why do sins need to be atoned for. Why does god need an innocent human sacrificed to atone for the guilty? Can't he just simply forgive? If forgiveness has to be conditional, then it's not forgiveness anymore, it's basically some kind of revenge.

Parts of the Bible may be divine. But it has been written and rewritten over the centuries by men to fulfill their theological desires. The result of this is a book filled with errors and inconsistencies. How could God have created light on the first day, the sun and moon on the fourth? If these monumental errors, which science has come to disprove, are wrong, why then should we believe other parts of the same book?

PrecisionFx:
More like its possible for someone to commit evil, not everybody.

midnighter:


Sins need to be punished. If you understand God as much as you claim to, you should understand that its against His nature to abide with sin. Forgiveness is not the point. He can forgive you but He still needs the sin to be paid for. Are you saying that your parents simply "forgave" you all the time when you were growing up, with no consequences?

You shouldnt use emotive language like "forgive" and "revenge" to try to distract away from the point.

Your second paragraph is not closely connected enough with what we were discussing for me to respond to it.

BalogunIdowu:



Sadly this is the first comment and I wondered how it got many likes.

Bro, well the concept of God is well explained in Islam and how things work in life and the principles that guides them.

I hope you'll retrace that being an atheist isn't the solution to all the above.

DAVE5:



You want use me learn how to insult abi

When you argue with a mad man, people from a distance won’t know who’s who

Well, I leave you to your fate so I won’t be misconstrued by people from a distance

Like you earlier stated, I’m an illiterate and you’re literate, probably the wisest man to walk the earth, who knows

themonk:
You are basically saying there

midnighter:


You dont get it. Its not a law thats above Him; its a condition that goes against His nature. Oil and water dont mix. God and sin dont mix.

I did not deny the presence of contradictions or errors. I do not deny that the idea of sacrifice is common in ancient mythology. That a text has been rendered incorrectly does not make it false. That an idea is popular or found elsewhere does not make it false.

The Bible contains several different genres of writing. Some of it has been taken by some as metaphor. That does not mean that it no longer applies.

Preetychina22:

Nothing mind blowing about that. Science has done more. The QR Code is a good example of unique identification techniques made by science.

MiltonFine:
What if Apostle John was just another over zealous disciple of Christ? Did you know that the gospel of John is the one that calls Jesus God?-John 1:1.Trust me you wont find it anywhere else except in a scripture written by John if there's any at all. Did you also know that John was the only gospel account where Jesus said 'I and the father are one'?(John 10:30) Did you also know that the doctrine of trinity is based only on the account written by John? (1 John 5:7) What if John was to Jesus as Lai Mohammed is to Buhari? What if....No offense. Just thinking out loud.

luckingto50:
We are waiting for the day you will write this trash about Quran... Your head will turn to ball for soccer.

nwizy:

I love questions like this. I can't type too much, so bear with me. Okay let get down to the drug aspect: who is the creator of the chemical components used in producing antimalaria drugs? Nature or a supreme creator? If it's nature, then it must assume it has brain on its own to function, decide and automatically create things that can relate to human desires( 100% fallacy).
And if it's a creator, then what kind of creator? The creatures are not meant to fully comprehend its creator, because He would seem too known and hence seizes to become one. So what can history tell us about a creator? Through books and other means.
However, we have different religions pointing to different books believed by its followers. So among these books, which one of them shows us the true beauty of love from God at the highest order of death? Koran, Bible, or other books? To me without been biased: the Bible did.
Be liberal my friend and find the truth yourself. So since there is a creator of things known to heal, then all Glory should go to him through His Son of pure love( find out which of the proclaimed sons died for you and follow Him ardently). Thank you.

midnighter:


No lol I started responding but I had to think about what you wrote since it was quite sensitive.

Obinoscopy:
There's No contradiction. The phrase: "in the presence of the Lord your God at the place he will choose as a dwelling for his Name" is the Church. So you and your household is to spend your tithe in the Church.

midnighter:


You are not making sense my friend...why do you think missionaries risk everything to get to far-flung corners of the earth to preach the gospel if they didnt know this already?